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Childhood Trauma Validation

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"I went to go visit the veternes at the VA and I saw this one and met that one and the condition they were in was they had the REAL Ptsd! The real thing! REAL PTSD! Not this other stuff that you hear." .......blah, blah, blah, blah, blah and he carried on. The thing is here, ignorance does not change reality
While reading the stupidity of this man's argument really pisses me off, it did remind me of something else. For years and years and years, veterans (especially Vietnam vets) who had PTSD were considered fakers, whiners and the lot because 'real' men didn't break in battle. Only the weak ones did, etc. I heard this sort of crap in and around the military for years. It's that macho-crap mindset. Now, with all of these people coming back from battle with PTSD and it being talked about openly and such, it's ok and 'real' men and women can have this problem.

But for the rest of us that had more personal battles to fight...that weren't broadcast on national TV...we're still fighting the old stigma of 'stop whining', 'it's over...let it go', 'it wasn't really all that bad'. It's not wonder we're hesitant to speak of it. Maybe in time we can have the same respect given to our private battle scars.

Lisa
 
I find that I often get told that my PTSD is not real PTSD... THen again I get told that my experiance of rape was not real rape as I lived with the person who did it! I personally don't think that any persons PTSD is worse nor better then anyone elses PTSD. We have all hd our veiw of the world shattered and now see it in a very different way to how others see it.

When it comes to abuse though society doesn't want to accept that it even happenes. I have DID aswell as PTSD and over and over people call me "pathetic" for being this way, esspecially as I don't even remember my childhood so I have n idea what caused it! I remember my teen years and the abuse that happened then, but I have no memories (br little snippits) before the age of 15.

Last year there was even a TV programme (I think it was a panorama episode) which heavily implied that anyone claming to have PTSD who had not been to war was simply after money and compensation, that as it is an "invisable disability" it is easy to fake and so people do. After that was aired the next few weeks were hell for me :( esspecially as I currently do not work so people see me as a "lazy waster".


anyway... rant over lol
 
I have got that I no longer tell people my diagnosis. Now that I'm in recovery & no longer having panic attacks, less hyper vigilant etc, people assume I'm fine & constantly forget the things that trigger me.

When C was added to my diagnosis I tried to talk to my family about it, now they think my last trauma was trivial & its all to do with my childhood (emotional abuse), which other members of my family wont talk about, making me feel i've made that up too! I've given up talking to them about it now as I find it too frustrating trying to explain.

As far as I'm concerned any of those who question our diagnosis can walk in my shoes any day, I'd love just one day off from it!!
 
I think the problem lies in exposure. People have been told time and time again that people in the military get PTSD. It's been around for a long time for soldiers (battle fatigue, gross stress reaction, combat fatigue, shell shock, soldier's heart) but there has not really been much exposure of the concept to do with childhood abuse. I suppose you could also add the fact that childhood abuse is not something that people talk about. It is something that people keep quiet about, and as a culture there is a lot of silence on the subject, especially regarding the ongoing effects in later life.

Just as an example, I can think of 5 movies about military PTSD right off the top of my head, but I cannot think of one single movie about childhood abuse PTSD... silence

Thanks for this post, Jagged Angel and thank you, Nicolette for your original post.

I'm sorry to say that I feel very little sympathy for those of us who suffer from war-related PTSD because, quite simply, they signed up for it. Although, the amount of young men who sign up to the army because they feel they have no better career option, certainly says something for our education system.

However, the amount of sympathy and exposure in the media they get also makes me very angry. People here in the UK are very vocal on supporting our troops but if you try and encourage them to support charities like the NSPCC, they are curiously silent.

Like Jagged Angel, I think it's because part of our culture is not to talk about child abuse and if the issue is pressed, people will either find someone to blame (e.g. social workers) or, less likely, throw money at the problem until it goes away. When the death of Baby P came to light here, the first people the media pointed fingers at were the social workers, not the abusers. It was as though they were not accountable for their actions, which was obviously not the case.

I think part of the problem is that people just don't know how to deal with the issue of child abuse. Blaming is hardly constructive. My mother used to threaten to kill my father if she saw him again because of what he did to me (which never made sense to me, because his sexual abuse was actually no worse than her psychological and physical abuse) and all it really did was upset me. Ignoring it is also not a constructive way of combatting the abuse that takes place in our society.

What there really needs to be is more information available to people who have to interact with the abused on a daily basis and I'm not just talking about carers. I'm talking about your boss, your colleagues and your friends. People who maybe don't understand why you act the way you do sometimes. If people understood how child abuse effects people better then they might be able to deal with the issue in a more constructive way.
 
Just as an example, I can think of 5 movies about military PTSD right off the top of my head, but I cannot think of one single movie about childhood abuse PTSD... silence


last year I spent some time trying to find films about PTSD, sort of to make me feel less alone. THe onlys ones I found that were non-military were:

"Misterious Skin" is about two boys who suffered childhood sexual abuse, one shows a couple of PTSDish symptoms
"The Brave One" is about a woman whos husband is murderered and then she starts getting flashbacks
"Black snake moan" is about a woman who was abused as a child and now is veru promiscious whenever her partner is away and then he goes off to war and she gets raped, beeten and left for dead. Then a guy finds her and tried to help her, in part through religion...



So not that many...
 
My mother has also said, "oh get over it" or "it wasn't that bad." It only wasn't bad for her because she got to look the other way while her husband beat the s*** out of her daughter. The real trauma for me is not the fact that I was physically, emotionally and sexually abused... the real trauma was that my mother knew of all of it and did nothing to protect me. She abandoned me and has the audacity to "get over it." My fear of abandonment still haunts me today with every meaningful relationship.
 
the real trauma was that my mother knew of all of it and did nothing to protect me. She abandoned me and has the audacity to "get over it." My fear of abandonment still haunts me today with every meaningful relationship.

Oh I hear you so clearly Linake12....I so totally understand what you are saying and understand the devastation knowing that your own mother did not protect you. It is something worse than the abuse at the hands of another. I have fought to overcome this feeling for 20 years and I still can't comprehend why a mother would not protect her child. Yes mine had a tough childhood but so did I but I chose to break the cycle and no-one ever harmed my son if I could help it....NEVER!
 
for me my mother WAS an abuser, physically and verbally... So was my step-father. I now essentially do not have a family as they disowned me.

I find that the worth part to be honest. I have no idea what a family is. Then after leaving their home I got blckmailed by my landdlord and manipulated into a relationship which was also abusive. I really don't fully know what family is nor what a relationship should be. things tht my current partner is trying to help me with, but it's a very slow and frustrating process.



In other people cases though I often woder why the mother stands by and lets it happen. Maybe they fear that if they were to get involved then they'd make it worse? So in a warped way they try to protect their child by not angering the abuser?
 
In other people cases though I often woder why the mother stands by and lets it happen. Maybe they fear that if they were to get involved then they'd make it worse? So in a warped way they try to protect their child by not angering the abuser?
There might be cases like that. I still don't (and never will) understand how someone could stay with a person who was hurting their children.

For me, my opinon, it was just easier for her to pretend everything was fine and nothing bad was happening to ruin the perfection. My mother was, in most ways, very disconnected with her children. And the areas where she was connected were more about image and what the neighbors thought.

Lisa
 
It's a difficult one for me to explain, kind of nice (not really the right word, but brain not working great at the moment and I know you'll all know what I really mean) to see others who can relate to my situation. I have more hatred and contempt for my mother than I do my father (step-father who had adopted me). He sexually abused me. When I finally garnered the courage to tell my mom, her words and actions in the months and years to follow did as much if not more damage than the things my father did to me. Over 20 years later she is still married to him and somehow thinks the things he did "weren't that bad". Only problem is...she doesn't know the whole story. No one does. Why would they? The things I did tell her, she didn't necessarily believe. She held me as much to blame as my father. She said disgusting things to me, forced me into bad situations and even threatened to kill herself and me along with her at one point. My father did disgusting things that I can't talk about. My mother was horrible to me but they are things I can talk about. I have much more contempt for her than for him. I fear him but not her. Maybe if I were able to really bring into the open all the things he did, the situation would be different. I don't know.
 
Hello all,

just wanted to say how much this all resonates with me. Especially the huge damage that is done when the person you rely on to protect you (usually mum) stands by and does nothing to stop the abuse, and then often minimises the impact for years with words like 'it wasn't that bad', 'you'll get over it' etc. I often felt that in some ways this was as bad, or perhaps even worse a betrayal than the abuse itself. My mum is still in denial somewhat, and makes comments like 'i never knew what really happened, you should have told me' (I DID!!!). It hurts me still. Although my abuser is long gone, the pain of her rejection still causes problems today, because I still have a relationship with her and I love her. The irony is that in my recent episode of really crippling PTSD and depression, she has been very supportive. I'm in a weird double bind - on the one hand, she's the person who's helped me see I need to get help for my PTSD and deal with the root causes - on the other hand, the process of dealing with it all (starting therapy soon) is likely to bring all my anger and hurt towards her up to the surface. I am really fearful that this new, constructive relationship we have built is going to be shattered when I go into therapy and am forced to connect with all the anger and hurt I know I have got bottled up inside. Can anyone relate?

To all of you who were hurt as children and not protected, were let down, betrayed and 'abandoned' I am sending you lots of love and support. We all need validation - perhaps more than anything else. Maybe we need to hear that they are sorry, that they know what they did, or didn't do, and that we have a right to feel wounded, and a right to heal.

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