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Christian Religion Causes Me Anxiety And Fear.

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They said I was playing a victim...And that I have hurt people just like my rapist/attacker has hurt people. I am sorry, but I do not go around like my rapist and give people an anxiety disorder the equivelant of a WWII

Hi Perfectly Flawed,

I can relate to how the church community has treated you. We have to remember that some individuals choose religion purely to elevate their own moral sense of worth, whilst they act imorrally. They are not superior people just because they go to church and believe in something they cannot see, or because they choose to only reference one single book as a source of all morality - they are not historians of the middle east in the time of Jesus, Moses, Abraham or Muhammad, they are not academics of pyshology or moral philosophy. They are not superior and lack any expertise on what they choose as a job title (pastor) or by choosing to be part if a group/community made and run by mere men (a church). People from all walks of life don't understand social and cognitive psychology of humans, they certainly don't have the psychological maturity people like us have.

I was raise in a Christan environment and spent time with friends if many faiths- of which has only surred a level of abuse as to my morality and a fight for my spurit. The majority of what I have seen is poorly trained people who try to play the morality card by focusing on social consequence and the fixing of people when they lack a basic understanding and sound knowledge of all academic thought, let alone the one book they choose to read. One of the ten commandments - treat others as you wish to be treated, originated from Confusionism, long before the Bible came about, yet Christans will claim otherwise. There are many claims without full understand of fact, culture, and history. When a pastor swing that incense bowl down the aile people claim it is a cleansing of sins, historically this was done to subdue the stench of the peasants who sat at the front of the church and the lords and ladies who sat at the back. A rutual that has no spiritual basis what so ever, just a facet of the time.

Perhaps, if such devotees, and literally take the bible on it word, these people feel they should be treated as they have treated you (without empathy), and they should be victimised because if their persecution as you have - they will probably take issue with that I imagine as you have. Perhaps they should have stones thrown at them because they sinned first by treating you without love, compassion and rather blame and judgement? Ist God the only one who can judge? Would that not be the ten commandments in action and thus make you a good Christian? Well the answer in my mind is no, and they are not good Christans themselves because of what they choose to DO. This is because what we believe does not matter, it is what we DO that counts.

Some people choose to elevate pastors and religious people above all others, and when they use fear of hell, I see that as control. They are mere men and they are flawed. These are their insecurities and lack of intelligence at play, and thus their problem and not yours. We just need to look at the number of failings of religious leaders in the news to see the logic that man has screwed up religion many, many times and behaved immorally (and sometimes more than people who do not have a religious job title).

It is my view that, if I was to believe in God, then based on his wisdom, knowledge and love, he would not have to ask me 'what sort of life I lived or what good deads I did for others' he would automatically know my suffering, understand my actions, and embrace me regardless of the persecution of society. I strongly believe that, if God existed, he/she will treat you like this too.

Kant (a philosopher) once said that only those who have endured immorality, know what true morality really is. I can tell you know what morality is and these morons do not. You were once a victim, you don't need others to make you a victim now (just as they persecuted Jesus and later regretted it), because you are now a survivor.

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"One of the ten commandments - treat others as you wish to be treated"

Sorry, but this is not one of the ten commandments.
 
Sorry a3a2, This is known as 'The Golden Rule' in the bible and cited in Matthew and Luke. It is noted as the most important rule of the Bible, God's Law for all mankind.

Perhaps, you have taken offence to my post, and it is your choice to read whatever you want. Nit picking as a comment, makes me think you have not read the essence of what I wrote to the original posters situation. Instead you want a debate of semantics without offering an alternative of where the phrase came from, just a nit pick?

Religious semantics should be debated outside of the forum, and I don't think you want me to delve into the semantics and many flaws of the bible and its history, and moral philosophy - we will just piss each other off. However, if you do a search of this forum you will find a group of Christians who have a faith thread, where you can knock yourself out semantically.
 
This is an interesting thread. A bit OT, but I was ritually abused and spiritually abused myself, but by two people practicing Santeria and witchcraft. While I have been mistreated by the Christian church in regards to sharing my trauma, I agree with other posts sharing that this is true of many people with whom I share my trauma. People who haven't experienced what we have simply cannot handle it most of the time. Some will even fight you because their own vulnerability to evil is exposed when our stories are told.

I am happy to report that I have found a small community of Christians who are very supportive of me and my family, but this came only once I stopped "throwing my pearls to swine".

I had to learn 2 things before I yielded any good result in telling my story: 1) Observe individuals in their own lives for a time before sharing anything, 2) don't expect to feel better just because I shared my story... In fact no matter how tactful the listener the result is still sometimes loneliness and sorrow for me.
 
Hi PerfefctlyFlawed,

I just wanted to add a few things to this thread.

I was raised Catholic but in my late teens I started going to 'born again' churches, experienced conversion and tried many different denominations. Baptist, Pentecostal, Evangelical, Methodist, Assemblies of God and Church of England.

I experienced Spiritual abuse in most, but not all of these churches. I was bullied and gossiped about. I would ask other women to coffee and they would make excuses and then go and arrange to have coffee with another group of women. Myself and my husband tried so hard to 'fit in' but we never did. Why? I think it is because I was on a journey that they could not share in. Some of these people (some of them are family) even lied to my face and then go and worship God the next minute. Don't get me wrong. I am still in touch with some of my Christian friends but have cut myself of from the toxic ones who hurt me.

How did they hurt me? It wasn't just gossip it was the whole idea of control. 'Be conformed to the image of Christ.' not the image that others want me to be. 'Be transformed by the renewing of your mind,' not conform to what you are told. (I hope the scriptures don't trigger you, they do me sometimes).

That is both true and false. My thinking was to think whatever they wanted me to. When I attempted to think for myself I was "put in my place fast."

As Fairywings says I was ostracised for thinking for myself, for speaking my mind. I think with these particular Christians it was because they were afraid and not used to someone so strong minded. They conformed to their elders and I was expected to do the same. 'Don't upset the apple cart.' Well, I did and I'm glad I did because I have begun to emerge and have found the real me. I could not have done that in such an environment.

I was trying to figure out why I was so anxious and depressed and even I didn't know it was PTSD at the time. How could I expect them to understand and deal with my problems if I didn't know how to? To this day I do not think that most would understand and I would bot choose to share it with them.

But I do have Christian friends who still go to Church who are still supportive and understanding.It as as Junebug said; it is individuals and their conditioning. If they are not open minded they will walk around with blinkers on and follow orders. Myself, I cannot live like that although I used to. I understand the phase they are at and have chosen to be gently and loving towards them as they cannot understand where i am coming from. I am still ignored by them in my community. They will accept me back into their church as long as I change who I am and become like them and I do not intend to do that. It is a shame.

There are other churches I can go to where I will not be treated this way but I am at a point in my life where I do not feel it is the right place for me to be. Other Christians have told me I am 'backslidden,' that I am 'being handed over to the devil for discipline' etc. How sad for them that they think this way. They are only repeating what they have been taught and I take no notice; after all...i only live to give the devil a headache! LOL



It is less what people in my congregation say, and more my own relationship with God

Alba is so right here. I need to focus on my own healing and on my relationship with God. Not relate to God through another person but on a direct line. Who is he really? Who am I really? It is just between Him and me and always has and will be.


Does PTSD change people's views on religion? Or does religion change people's views about trauma? I know trauma can turn your world upside down--Loosing faith; thinking you have a short life to live.

My PTSD had made me open my eyes to everything. I'm like an excited child learning so much about life and say 'wow!' to everything. I have never lost my faith because it has never been based on people only on God. It has made me search deeper into myself and God to find the truth and I'm freer because of it.


I'm absolutely frightened God wants me to return.

Nadia, i have had this same fear but if it is making us afraid it is not of Him. To go back we would need to be at peace with the decision and I'm not there yet. perhaps, in the future but not yet.

there is a huge difference between faith and religion.

Deb, if I could have liked your post a hundred times I would have. You summed up everything wanted to say and showed exactly where I am at in my faith. Thank you. x

therefore I can't have that personal relationship with God to a level where I can say I have 'faith'...in anything.

Ice_Fire, you believe in God, just a fundamentally basic belief? It is enough for now, it is enough for Him, he knows your difficulties and understands.

So to sum up. It is between you and God. Never define God by his people, they are just people. Find who you are and who He is but always understand that others are not walking down your path and you cannot walk down theirs. Sometimes our paths cross and we can walk together for a while. Try another church when you are ready and not under duress. When you know God's heart for you it does not matter what others think or say and you will feel that sympathy and love for them that they do not realise they need.

I hope this helps, I wanted to say so much more.

CC
 
I think, only as regards myself, I realized something today: all different types of people are everywhere, having every kind of day. I agree with CC above, it is a personal relationship that hopefully helps (and not hinders). And like CC said, some people somehow relate to one's journey, or they just don't. And that's ok too.

I figure, if nothing else, I can try to stay 'present' (to) others, even if I also can't do much.

Also, it is my own ptsd. Some things or triggers I simply make a mess of.

Notwithstanding I certainly don't want to trigger anyone here, and I'm respectful of anyone's beliefs/ atheism, etc, but just for me I figure, no matter anything else that is going on (including my ptsd), and what I can't 'believe' (unconditional love for myself, etc), I can go to church and say to 'God' I love Him. In the worst times (which is too often), I ask Him (if He doesn't mind), if I could cling to Him or more specifically that He will cling to me, because I don't have the strength to hang on. I guess it's simplistic, but it's the only way I know, and I am not strong.
 
I think it's easy to turn your hate and anger toward god and religion as a whole when you've been done wrong or traumatized by someone who claims to be righteous or godly. What helps me is to remember that most importantly, God is love. And when confronted by those who claim to be better than me or put me down, because they are more godlike than I am, I just think to myself "what would Jesus do?". Yes, a little cliche but it keeps things in perspective for me.

You don't need a church or religion to have faith. I consider myself extremely lucky to have found a church that accepts me, with a priest who is quite knowledgeable about trauma. I know that many churches aren't like this. When I was in Texas I had quite a few church going people tell me that I was going to hell because I'm not born again. How ungodly is that?!? I'm just waiting for the next person to tell me this, as my faith doesn't require me to be born again. But I think I've rambled on enough.

Bottom line, if the church isn't right for you, stay away. A good friend of mine once told me that churches aren't necessary as you can go sit on a rock and find god.
 
PerfectlyFlawed, I will say one thing...and I'm really sorry that you received that sort of feedback from people in your community, but Christianity has always used fear as a way of controlling masses of people. In fact, fear has always been used, by most leaders and organizations as a way to control people since the very first time man figured out that he could control others by making them afraid...by literally filling their heads with fear and nonsense to keep them obedient.

It's no wonder you feel this way.
 
PF, my husband always says, 'you can only get to know a person with your slippers on.'

What he means is that when people group together there will always be those who hide their true selves in what they do; whether it is church, business or the local drama group. Relationships take time and require trust. I found that a lot of the people in my church claimed to be 'mature' and kept wanting to 'help' me. But they were not as mature as they thought and, no matter who the person was or the problem they had, they were expected to take this 'mature' persons advice - without question. I listened, questioned and chose what I wanted to do with the advice and for that I was punished. I rocked their stable boat and they could not cope with it. They didn't want to change, to confront their true selves but I did. I had no choice but to leave if I was to grow and change - I'm so glad I did. I don't know if I will go back to church but I'm open to it if it is the right thing to do.

Fortunately, I have christian friends who are not at all like this, who are real. I have other friends who do not try to control me in any way and even a friend who is a pagan. I can accept and love my friends because they are wonderful people and who am I to judge them? But I won't stand under someone else's judgement when I know that God loves me so much.

churches aren't necessary as you can go sit on a rock and find god.
Ah ScaredOfLonely...I often do! x

We are made in Gods image so in order to find God we need to find our true self. He is not in a building and although he is with people when they gather he also dwells in us. I truly believe that as we find our true selves, our reality, we come to understand his nature a little more and that is when we truly find peace. It is a journey that we walk alone and no one else can walk it for us. But there is so much joy in it too. He is in the still, small voice not the thunderstorm. It takes time to allow our spirit and soul to quieten down enough to hear Him but he is there.

When we cease to care what others think because we are sure of who we are in Him, we find a security as strong as armour that cannot be penetrated by what others say or do. And with it the empathy we need to see that these people are misguided sheep - going astray. Thee are some who deliberately hurt others but most of them don't even realise that they have done wrong and would be devastated if they knew. I feel sad for them but I am no longer angry and can greet them in the street with genuine love.

I did not do this for them but for myself. I did not want to hurt so much and feel so angry because it was detrimental to my health. So I learned to let go and to find the real me and in so doing, I found Him.

I wish you joy!

CC
 
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