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Concerns Surrounding Regular Marijuana Use?

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Good reality check, anthony.

I was sort of avoiding connections between weed and my issues. About a week ago I overreacted to something my fiance did or said. He brought it to my attention that we were out of pot, that we hadn't smoked in a while, and that I needed to realize he wasn't the only one self-medicating. It really caught me off guard. I'd never thought about it that way. He's right.

And you're right that giving it up will have to be some part of my healing process at some time. I think I'm going to wait on that one until I get a bit older, though, or what are the twenty-nothings for? Plenty of other stuff to work on.
 
I know very little first hand on this topic. I was out of the prescribed sleeping medication last week and and smoked a little weed that someone left at my house. I had my first real panick attack. My face went numb and it felt like a stroke. I suppose one could say this is good because I was afraid of dying at that moment which clearly identified that I want to live. I never thought it was a good thing and now I really do not.

Ptsd has a negative effect on lives. I can't see the sense of doing something else that has negative effects, and that includes some prescribed medications. I have a lot of pain from medical problems and a neurosurgeon told me that its amazing that Im not on morophine. I take too much IB profin and it tears up my stomach at times but I don't want another problem. I could get a pill form heroin and don't want it never tried it and don't want to.

I abused alcohol for awhile and have been re-traumatized as a result.
"We can not solve our problems with the same thinking we used to create them"
I am not suggesting that anyone has caused their own ptsd-yet if mine originates in childhood because of parents with problems in the area of alcohol, drugs, mental illness, then why would I want to alter my brain chemicals and think it is a solution.

Matter of fact, I have read articles that state that anti depressants cause brain damage and I do take an anti depressant. Right now I am dependent on an anti depressant to keep me alive, or at least I am convinced of that. I don't want another crutch.

I am not judgemental of others who chose a different route, I only ask that you be really honest as to if it really enhances your life, short and long run.
 
And you're right that giving it up will have to be some part of my healing process at some time. I think I'm going to wait on that one until I get a bit older, though, or what are the twenty-nothings for? Plenty of other stuff to work on.

That is a disease talking, and its not PTSD.

Rationalization. Denial. Bargaining.
Yep. Been there done that, nothing happens till you are ready.
 
I agree Abbi. I have a daughter in college that said to me, if friends are still behaving after college (alcohol) after college, I know there is a problem. There is much truth to that statement, some things are age appropriate. However, if you are in college and have diabetes, sorry for you but you don't get to do what the other kids your age do unless you want to seriously harm yourself. We need to value our health, mental and physical.

Like you said Abbi, you must be ready. Change =pre-contimplation, contimplation, plan, action, and maintainance.
Nobody said it was easy.
 
Denial is a function of the mind which protects the person and I really believe that person will start to come out of denial when they are truly ready to, and not a moment before. If it is pushed on them it can be harmful, as their psyche always knows what is best for them regardless of what others think.

Having said that, I agree with anthony in that weed is very much a crutch and no true healing will take place until you can ween off it for good, and start allowing your feelings to surface. I sometimes smoke, but not that often, and I did do it a little to self-medicate at one stage, but after years of allowing myself to feel all the pain and everything else.

Basically, you don't need weed to "deal with" issues of anxiety, all you have to do is learn how to breath from your abdominal cavity again. Most people, especially women, do not breath deeply enough, which means that not enough oxygen is able to reach their brain, and greater oxygen intake will always help to soothe anxiety, and calm the person right down.

All you have to do is google abdominal breathing, or look for a book on the subject...maybe go to a yoga centre? Meditation is a good practise to get into as well...not sure if you are already into that?

It's up to you MissAntiSunshine.
 
no matter how much you try to say it helps, until you get off it, you won't understand just how much it actually hinders the process with PTSD.

I agree 100%.

I really thought weed was helping me. I even started a thread bragging how much it helps and how I wished I could smoke it 24/7.

I did end up smoking it from the time I woke up in the morning until I went to bed at night. The more I smoked, the more it took to give me a buzz. I would have to smoke like 2 or 3 joints to get the same effect as I did from smoking one.

Then I started smoking so much that I would just sit for hours zoned out....and I liked that. So instead of smoking joints, I started smoking whole buds at once....I would grab a bud, break it up, throw it in my bowl and start smoking. Then I would grab another bud....and then another....and another. Weed isn't physically addictive, but I do believe it's mentally addictive....at least for me it is.

It was the first thing I thought about when I woke up in the morning...and the first thing I did. It was what I thought about on the way home from work and I drove fast and carelessly so I could hurry up and get home and start smoking. I smoked so much that I seriously didn't do anything but sit......I would get so stoned that It took too much effort to move.

I didn't realize just how much it was hindering my progress until I stopped smoking. And that's something I never, ever thought I would be saying. At the time I truly believed it was helping me.
 
I know that now that I've started my meds again it will become less and less of a needy desire and more of a recreation again when they begin stabilizing me. For right now, I write my papers and go to my non-independent study classes stoned usually (never work. My work requires too much attention, way more than anything else I do), because it relaxes my stress and keeps me stable and rational. I don't have crazy mood swings but functionally I get less f*cked up than I would be on some non-daytime allergy meds. I become interested in and engaged with people, homework, class, learning, reading things i love, and generally doing things that make me feel actually better. Without it, I become very mood-swingy, irritable, sad, and extremely anxious in the face of any kind of stress. Besides, without it, I don't think I could continue having a peaceful relationship with my parents, which is indeed another form of denial, but it is also necessary for at least six more months of my life.

But I would like to redirect the thread, if possible, toward what my goal was in creating the thread. I want to draw attention to the fact that there are much worse forms of coping, and I think that sometimes people who are really out of touch with what weed does sometimes make it out to be a much bigger issue than it may be in the spectrum of things a sufferer is dealing with. I am much more concerned with suicidal thoughts, the desire to self-mutilate, and my tendency to isolate and destroy relationships through my wild emotions than I am concerned with my weed habit.

In terms of interfering with my ability to live, it's just rather expensive and not the ultimate answer in terms of quelling my panicky/emotional responses to stress. My prescribed psyche meds are part of the answer to this. When I have been in a better place with myself and the world--and these times were definitely made possible for other forms of distraction, such as academic perfectionism or taking on way too many activities just so I didn't have to think about me--weed hasn't been a necessity. I have been happier since I started smoking because it's completely taken away urges to over self-indulge with alcohol, but I don't need to smoke to feel that way. Even sober, out of weed, over-indulging with liquor doesn't appeal to me. I think I just found another way to 'party' that's much more agreeable and healthy than blacking out from drinking too much whiskey. It's opened me up to a huge social sphere of people who feel similarly in terms of preferring to be a little giggly or preoccupied with random and outlandish ideas than to getting sh*t-faced.

I've always been seen as the least enthused by the substance by those who surround me in terms of wanting to pick up, wanting to spend a lot of money on the habit, wanting to initiate its use, ect. I still complain when my fiance asks me if I want to smoke when I've only just gotten out of bed. It's not something that I crave and crave and crave. I've never been that way. But in the past couple of months, I have started to see the vivid correlation between me being really functional and in a good mood and me having recently toked.

In the scheme of things, at least for my situation, this isn't the kind of topic I would want people whom support me to be focusing on in terms of my issues.
 
^ Yup, classic addict/substance abuser; defensiveness, rationalization, denial, and more. Let me just give it to you straight Sunshine, these "much worse ways" of coping that you allude to, they are irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that what you are doing is inhibiting your ability to truly recover and heal from your trauma. I dealt with self mutiliation for years, that was my only really destructive behavior, I didn't use drugs or alcohol or anything like that. You could easily argue there were much worse ways for me to cope. That was what the mentally ill part of me kept saying, "It's not that bad." That doesn't change the fact that what I was doing was harmful to my well being because it was masking the real problem.

You say you don't want your supporters to focus on this? Well, guess what, until you get "this" out of the way, nothing else is going to matter in terms of your recovery. But you are obviously not prepared to do that, and none of us can make you.
 
For two years I didn't smoke pot. I took my meds, but other health issues began to surface. Too many pills for too many ailments, (degenerative joints, ruptured discs, broken bones that healed without medical attention and other crap),causing problems with my stomach, appetite and not good for my liver because of my hemochromotosis. My skin looked shallow and grey. My Med-doctor suggested that go back to pot. So, I did. And, I look healthier without all the pills. I can't take pain meds - they affect my liver. If you feel better without pot, then that is the path you should take. It isn't for everyone and I don't encourage people to try it unless they ask their doctor first.
 
I don't encourage people to try it unless they ask their doctor first.

Agreed. That is the only circumstance under which someone should use marijuana, if it has been recommended by their doctor.
 
Fair enough. Soon as I can figure out a way to get to my home state and see a psychiatrist without staying with my family and preferably without relying on them, I'll be sure to get the pretty piece of paper that says I should smoke weed. My psychiatrist knows that I smoke. He thinks that I should probably stay away from harder drugs, which I would expect, but told me that the weed is neither here nor there for the moment if it's not interfering with anything in my life besides some spending money and has not suggested that I stop. That's not exactly a recommendation, but he held no tone of dissuasion other than telling me that harder drugs were bad for me, and when I initially told him that I smoke, he said, "Probably helps with the anxiety, huh?" Perhaps if I could have transported the two of us 700 miles north, I would have walked out with a prescription for something besides lamictal. Does anybody else see why I think this is a little silly? I visited Colorado last summer. You could have said you had problems sleeping, cramps, loss of appetite--whatever and been handed an excessive amount of weed with a smile and an insurance deductible. I know where everything I smoke comes from, good local hippies who are about as dangerous and shifty as a magician's bunny. It's not like I'm rolling through the projects and picking up zones of bud from Mexico that at some point was laced with embalming fluid or smoking every chance I get.

I accept that weed is part of denial, and maybe I won't heal until I can give up this habit, but the whole "It's totally fine if you have a doctor recommendation" seems so silly when I come from a state where medical marijuana is legal, and from what I've observed in that culture, it's super easy to abuse that situation. Alcohol is legal (though not yet for me! In some months now I will magically become a completely responsible adult. Oh boy) and much worse for one's health. If I were legally abusing that drug, I would still be using something as a form of denial or numbing or self-destruction. If I were addicted to running, I would still be using something to escape. I almost died of water poisoning through this crazy water addiction I developed several years ago, and sometimes I still catch myself picking up the habit of drinking way too much water compulsively when things are bad.

My point in this is to say that the legality of marijuana should be less of an issue than it being a crutch to me. There are a lot of vices available in the world. Drugs, sex, driving (for me, anyway), food, exercise, violence, entertainment, body modification, self-harm, and the lists go on. I think the fact that weed is an illegal substance elicits more attention than a lot of these other items, which can be equally dangerous or hindering in healing.

For goodness sake, you can grow your own weed in some states just because you have a medical license. Basically, in a small, perfectly legal patch, you can grow pounds of the best weed on the planet. That is excessive! But it's okay because a doctor was allowed to say if it was good or not. If I were still addicted to water along with weed, I think my life would be much more at stake because I've seen how far that can go in myself, yet I think that if both of those vices were made very public, people would focus on the weed. That kind of situation seems plain stupid, but I fear that this would be the more feasible response to the hypothetical situation.

I created this thread so that people could look more closely at the behaviors of their loved ones and carefully prioritize their concerns not by societal acceptance but by the direct threat posed to the sufferer's health and the implications of that behavior. For instance, when I self-mutilate, I think, "I am not worth anything. I would rather destroy me than any of these much more valuable things around me." When I drink to excess, I think, "I want to pass out. I don't care what becomes of me or how ill I become. I don't want to feel anything anymore." When I smoke, I think about how much I love those around me and how fascinating life can be. I don't feel numb, I just feel calm and composed. I also feel motivated, productive, able to handle stresses that normally make me fantasize about death. I also connect better to people, listening carefully and speaking calmly, remaining level.

If I were doing all of these behaviors at once, I would rather those aware of this to be more concerned about the former two. In fact, I have been doing all three of these at once before. This was also when I started smoking cigarettes. My parents were aware of all of the behaviors except for the cigarettes and said nothing. I offered my mom some pot and she said it started giving her panic attacks a while ago, so no thanks but thanks. If they knew I smoked cigarettes? I would be bribed, forced, and harangued into every form of treatment possible to end my terrible and awful downward spiral of addiction and supported endlessly in my journey to overcome this dreadful vice.

But how helpful is this in the larger picture of things that could be addressed? I never attempted to suggest that using marijuana as a vice was not harmful, only that other behaviors that seem less scary because they are legal or not labeled as "drugs" or whatever it is should be assessed seriously in addition to concern for pot smoking, because sometimes those other behaviors are of a relatively higher concern.

I think I am a defensive person in general, and certainly some of what I say may be purely defensive. However, my frustration in this thread stems more prevalently from the frustration that prompted its creation: my use of marijuana is being focused on as an obstacle to my healing, when what I am trying to do is drive home that using marijuana may be a vice, but sometimes it isn't the biggest bad guy on the block at the moment. I hope that people can be open to this idea and examine why exactly it is they are concerned about somebody's use of marijuana. Is it because it is an illicit drug, or is it because the user is being negatively affected by it in a way serious enough to prompt the sort of panic I have observed in reactions to this behavior? Is there another behavior present that is more pressing, or perhaps that could give a more proportionate or contextualized perspective on that person's range of immediate problems?

A friend of mine was kicked off of campus and into rehab for vandalizing some school property while drunk one night and going through a manic episode with another person who was also manic. They found marijuana in the girl's system and sent her to rehab for addiction to marijuana. They Clockwork Orange-style rehabilitated her, forcing her to watch 5 or 6 hours of film in which they drill into you that your entire family will basically burn to the ground if you smoke weed, it is as bad as heroine, and she has hurt everyone in her life with her selfishness. When not watching films, they cross-addicted her to coffee and cigarettes, forcing her to chain-smoke as quickly as possible before gulping down two cups of coffee and then chain smoking again, because these were legal vices to get her off of weed. Now, in addition to being bi-polar, she suffers from extreme panic attacks and has addictions that she had conquered before they threw her into rehab (coffee and cigarettes to the extreme).

This seems totally nonsensical. I don't want this sort of irrational prioritization to happen to others, particularly youth who are still greatly influenced by the authority of their parents, who may be particularly preoccupied with fear over their children doing drugs anyway.
 
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