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News Conversion therapist comes out.

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What are your thoughts on this? He addresses the fact that it will be used in the media, and notes that he probably injured some people during therapy, but in his interview he seems to be pretty happy with his "choice" and new life. I don't know what to really think. Politics aside, he injured many through therapy with no punishment or seemingly no anguish. I don't know if any of his victims have any recourse, except more therapy, and would that help?

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Wow, harsh!

This guy was upfront about what he was doing.

Guy advertises conversion therapy.

People wanting conversion therapy seek his services.

Client pays professional for services rendered.

There was no deception. Each party entered into a professional relationship based on their own personal beliefs.

Therapist thought he could convert people straight. Clients thought therapist could help them meet this goal.

I don’t personally believe in it, but it was honest, it was above board.

It was NOT on the level of therapists ruining clients through lies, deception, or inappropriate relationships.
 
It was NOT on the level of therapists ruining clients through lies, deception, or inappropriate relationships.

It was DEFINITELY on the same level - lying to desperate people who hate themselves so much that they see a "therapist" who tells them they can "become straight".

Deception? How about having the now "straight" client to marry and have children - because there's no deceit in leading some poor wife/husband to setting up a life with a desperately self hating "straight" partner.

The whole relationship is inappropriate. It isn't therapist/client. Racists "working with" persons of colour sure sounds ridiculous... Or maybe racists "working with" persons of colour who desperately want to be white. Homophobic therapists shouldn't work with self-hating Gay people.

I'm curious if you're LGBT. It seems to me that those of us that grew up oppressed for being LGBT should probably be the ones who are having this discussion... Is there a reason this issue is important to you?
 
It seems to me that those of us that grew up oppressed for being LGBT should probably be the ones who are having this discussion.
Then start a group. Perhaps review the Comunity Constitution while you’re at it.

The concept that “Your sexual preference may preclude your right to participate in this conversation” does absolutely nothing to advance sexual equality.
 
lying to desperate people

My point is misunderstood.

If the therapists truly believe in what they do, and the clients are willing to pay for it because that’s what they want, then what is the issue? It’s live and let live. You may not personally believe in it, but what right do you have to dictate what other people do? It’s not lying, it’s not dishonest. Everything is above board in terms of what is being provided and what is being desired.

And who is to say that conversion therapy has no purpose? Some people may indeed be somewhere in the middle and want to live a life in line with their religious beliefs. I don’t personally know, but who is anyone to say that it hurts *everyone* and has never had a positive benefit for *anyone*?

And maybe everyone who does conversion therapy is in denial, but again it’s their right to live their life as they choose and do what they want.

If conversion therapy isn’t for you, then don’t do it. We live in a supply/demand society, so as long as people desire “conversion”, then this type of therapy will exist.

And maybe, just MAYBE this is one of those steps that people go through in their self discovery of coming out. Everyone has their own journey and who is anyone to judge if this was one of their necessary steps?

I'm curious if you're LGBT. It seems to me that those of us that grew up oppressed for being LGBT should probably be the ones who are having this discussion... Is there a reason this issue is important to you?

My sexual orientation is not up for discussion. I think it’s.....interesting....that I’m potentially being judged....that is, of course, if I am straight. *puzzled* I’ll leave it at that.
 
Conversion Therapy / Reparative Therapy has long been discredited & disproven. Well over 25 years across the board/officially, and pushing 50 years anecdotally.

In much the same way that Behavioral Therapy (which is what it’s based on, think 1950s, and profoundly “damaged patients”; as every disorder under the sun was “treated” by punitive eletricution, beatings, and other delightful things banned by the Geneva convention as torture) has loooong been disproven & discredited, or nearly all of Freud’s work (turn of the century) but maybe most especially his psychosexual development of children theories have looooooong been disproven.

This is psych101 stuff.

But if anyone happens to be interested in when every major medical & psych organization on the planet declared Conversion&Reparitive therapies anathema? This link has a pretty good list > The Lies and Dangers of "Conversion Therapy" | Human Rights Campaign

That it’s practiced by anyone anywhere? Has been very fringe for a very long time. Well over a generation now. The very few hangers on / adherents (there will always be some, hell I still know of a few whackadoodle nutbirds who ascribe to Freud’s concept of children being sexual beings :rolleyes: ) who can look at mountains and mountains of evidence and say “Nope. I’m not convinced! Science? Schmiemce. Nothing but propaganda of the <insert whomever they feel persecuted by here>.” Once you’ve reached that level of wilful ignorance? Eh. Extremists of every stripe I’ve ever known clearly have something profoundly wrong with them.

So it’s impressive he’s managed to take at least a half step back from having his head completely up his ass... but disingenuous (or delusional) of him to think it’s any kind of big news. It’s OLD news. And about as relevant as “flat earther realizes planets are spheres!”
 
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It’s OLD news. And about as relevant as “flat earther realizes planets are spheres!”
It's true. The last time I heard about this being relavant was probably the mid-2000's. From what I've seen it's forced on gay teens living in extreme fundamentalist families. I think California actually banned conversion therapy within the last few years.
That being said, I know that many queer adults struggle with self hate. I punished myself with religion for a long time until I finally accepted my sexuality wasn't really definable. Maybe this man was so brainwashed into believing he was a disgusting human being because he was gay he thought he could help himself and others by "learning how to be straight."
The damage will be reversed with time. There's plenty of "normal" therapists still out there that still believe gayness = wounded. The progress society's made in the past 10 years with LGBTQ people has been phenomenal though. It went from medieval to about halfway there at least.
 
It's true. The last time I heard about this being relavant was probably the mid-2000's. From what I've seen it's forced on gay teens living in extreme fundamentalist families. I think California actually banned conversion therapy within the last few years.
That being said, I know that many queer adults struggle with self hate. I punished myself with religion for a long time until I finally accepted my sexuality wasn't really definable. Maybe this man was so brainwashed into believing he was a disgusting human being because he was gay he thought he could help himself and others by "learning how to be straight."
The damage will be reversed with time. There's plenty of "normal" therapists still out there that still believe gayness = wounded. The progress society's made in the past 10 years with LGBTQ people has been phenomenal though. It went from medieval to about halfway there at least.
What about people who are experiencing unwanted homosexual feelings? What damage are you talking about? You seem to imply that the normal therapists who believe gay = wounded are wrong somehow? Isn't that opinion? Dead Link Removed
Maybe they need conversion therapy to convince them they are gay?
This is an ugly thread but there has always been lots of ugly to go around. : (
 
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I cannot believe that people in here are are arguing FOR conversion therapy. At best this is incredibly naive, and at worst it is incredibly homophobic. @EveHarrington, I choose to believe you are naive. @Mach123, I think you have no idea what conversion therapy is and are talking out your ass.

Conversion therapy is torture. Traditional conversion therapy uses physical negative reinforcement, such as beatings, electroshocks, and occasionally sodomy to take "the gay" away. (No, I'm not joking about that last example. Conversion therapy specialists have often used the therapy itself to sexually abuse children.) Traditional conversion therapy is not optional - it is something "concerned" parents send their sons (and, once in awhile, daughters) to. Conversion therapy is quackery of the highest order and is now condemned by all psychological associations in the entire world.

(I apologize very much for equating homosexuality to a physical problem, but I can't think of a better metaphor.) Let's say you have the misfortune to be born into a community in which physical beauty is seen as the highest good. And let's say, that, unfortunately, you you were born with scoliosis, and you spine becomes more and more crooked the older you get. It is well known in your community that the only way to treat this is by hiring an expert to break the spines of the people with scoliosis. Some kids with scoliosis are sent to the spine-breakers as kids. Some people with scoliosis manage to avoid that, but harbor such a negative self-image of themselves that they go to the spine-breaker themselves in adulthood out of despair and self-loathing. It's also the only way they know of to treat what they perceive as their problem.

The only issue is, spine-breaking therapy doesn't work. Instead, it just paralyzes the people who go through it. And yet, the community continues to advocate spine-breaking as the only true way to fix scoliosis. That, my friends, is conversion therapy.
 
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What about people who are experiencing unwanted homosexual feelings? What damage are you talking about?
I'm talking about the emotional damage that's done to gay people thinking they need conversion therapy. I think you took me out of context.
You seem to imply that the normal therapists who believe gay = wounded are wrong somehow? Isn't that opinion?
Yeah, that's my opinion. It's kind of hard for self-hating gays to accept themselves if they feel like they're damaged because of their sexuality. Plus, this thread isn't about people "experiencing homosexual feelings" it's about people who know they're gay that have sought out or been forced by family into conversion therapy.
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I was sexually abused by both a male and a female. I know what sexual disorientation feels like just not from a male perspective. I'm aware.
 
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