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Emdr, I'm Giving It A Try

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freakofnurture

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Caution: Verbosity ahead.

((tl;wr: Had first session with work on positive memory, result was unimpressive but okay; next appointment will involve bad memories. Am already sh*tting myself. ))

So, two weeks ago I got a phone call from the chief psychiatrist of the ward where I had my 7 weeks of therapy this year. She told me she's learning EMDR now and needs some guinea pi... uh, volunteer patients to give treatments to for practice. The sessions will be recorded for evaluation by her supervisor. It's all payed for by the hospital as part of her ongoing training, no health insurance companies are involved.

I thought I'd give it a try, especially since I still don't have a therapist and feel like I'm stagnating - though I'm actually doing surprisingly well atm. I don't have that many symptoms and am still actively improving on concentration, ability to stick to a task without tiring and sitting in cafés.

Today we had a bit of a talk concerning therapy planning and also a bit of EMDR. I think I was more scared of it than I realised. I like having so little symptoms. But I need to face the problem because it only takes one thought held a bit too long to send me back into a streak of nightmares and depression. So much aversion, ugh.

She said we could start with some more recent distressing experiences if I still don't have access to my emotions concerning more traumatic events. But I don't feel distress remembering how horrible it felt on the last group therapy session before I discharged myself from the clinic. I experience a lot more distress when I remember things that I did wrong. I should tell her about that on my next appointment.

However cool I was when we sat down to actually start working on a distressing memory, it was due to some slight dissociation. The kind where you stop thinking in terms of 'consequences', choke the handle of your motorcycle like it killed a kitten and then just drive straight ahead, ignoring any turns that stupid road might make. Dissociation isn't particularly helpful during EMDR, so the therapist said, 'We could work on anchoring a positive memory, too.' Boy, was I all for that.

So I had to think of a nice, happy memory - I chose one of my husband being goofy and making fun of the cat - and describe it, explain why it's happy etc. Then I had to choose a positive thought about myself. I chose 'I always work as hard as I can', but the therapist didn't like it (it's too specific, she said). So she read some examples from her list and I chose 'I am okay the way I am'. Then I had to rate - on a scale 0 to 7 - how accurate that thought felt when I was imagining the happy memory. I said 4 - 5.

After that I had to look where in my body I felt that the memory was a happy one and focus on that feeling, the positive thought and the memory. With that part checked there came the EMDR finger following stuff where I had to follow her fingers moving left to right and back in front of my eyes while letting my thoughts flow freely.

She did multiple sets of the finger waving exercise with me and didn't seem particularly thrilled that I didn't report any marked or lasting improvement on the experienced accuracy of the positive thought in conjunction with the happy memory. It went up to 7 for a fraction of a second after the third set, but once I started thinking again, 4 - 5 was all there was.

I don't know if she seriously expected me to start completely endorsing a thought that I couldn't even have just some months ago after thirty seconds of hand waving. But apparently she did. On our next appointment she wants me to look at what it is that's 'blocking' me. I'd say it's the reality of the fact that I am not okay the way I am, and that I don't want to be the way I am. Maybe I should choose more humble a thought for the next session, but 'I am okay' was the first on a long list of thoughts that didn't make me gag emotionally (like 'I am strong', 'I will get through this', 'I am loveable', holy sh*it, why doesn't she ask me to run a marathon on my hands instead?).

When I walked home after the appointment I began to feel better, though (it didn't really surprise me, my positive emotions always need a bit of time to emerge). It was a bit of a shift in perspective, like 'I am as okay as I can be at the moment' and 'All that's not okay about me is PTSD and I am not to blame for that' and also 'I don't care about other people's criteria for what makes a person okay'. These are thoughts that I can handle, and thoughts that I can agree with. I try my best; I am working hard. It's basically the thought I suggested in the beginning of the session...

The whole method seems a bit fishy on first sight, but really, what the therapist did to me was exposition, the practice of certain thoughts and a bit of zen meditation, which are tried and trusted to work for many people, and which I experienced working for me, too. We'll see. I still have to survive my first 'real' session with distressing memories.

I'd be interested if other people here noticed any delay in the positive effects of EMDR like I seemed to do.
 
My T told me that the effects might not be noticeable right away, and that the changes might be very subtle. He was right! It really helped me 'put to rest' the grief I had regarding my daughter's death.

You are lucky that you have some positive experiences already!
 
Unfortunately you can only respond to what they ask you.
I had something like 14 sessions before they asked the right question. I wasn't hiding anything but couldn't see where a problem or solution was until they asked me the right question.

Once they did I knew things had changed, by looking again at something in my past altered the way I saw my (then) present.

I became a pretty consistent 1.5 to 2, close enough to be called cured but it still left many unanswered questions, hence I found my way here.
 
Unfortunately you can only respond to what they ask you.
Could you maybe give an example? I'm not sure if I really get what you're saying in your post. But thanks anyways, it's good to get hints at what to look out for when EMDR sessions don't develop the way they were expected to :)
 
But thanks anyways, it's good to get hints at what to look out for when EMDR sessions don't develop the way they were expected to :)

It's hard with EMDR to know how things will develop, as everyone is different! Expect the best results, and be open to changing! Some of the changes are VERY subtle.
 
Freakofnurture, I just wanted to say hi to you, and a big thanks for being so willing to share your EMDR experiences with us so honestly. I think I'm an EMDR client in waiting - my psych is going to do the training asap with me in mind, and so I imagine that at some point in the foreseeable future I'll have an account of my own to tell.

I am a self confessed cynic, and am prepared to be honest about that at this stage, and also to state that I hope I'm wrong. I laughed out loud at your rather frank skepticism as to how an afirming thought about yourself that is so alien to you could somehow be integrated into your conscious with the wave of a magic wand... er, hand... you couldn't have summed up my feelings better. Let me stress again that I admit to being uneducated, and also to being aware that the common feedback is that people don't know why it works, or how, but somehow, it does...

Also wanted to say that I understand your urge to say that it's worked better than it has, just so you're not seen to be difficult or resistent... I struggle badly with this too, I suppose it's some long-learned need to appease others and to seek their approval. I struggled with this when rating my SUDS when doing exposure therapy, always wanted to say it was less bad than it was because I felt so ashamed of my horrible triggerability. I've always struggled with this rating scale concept - always doubt my ability to rate reliably or consistently and feel like I'm sending incorrect messages. Guess I just so badly don't trust my own awareness of my emotions and reactions, or even know how to recognize and label them at times.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I'm looking forward to sharing this journey with you, and I know it's going to be tough... maybe so tough you won't want to share it with us here afterall. But however much or little you want to share, I'll be wishing you courage and strength and care and the wisdom of your T.

Maddog
 
I think EMDR is great. I have had very positive results. I am usually very wound up and upset afterwards, but feel much better the next day. I can also see some of the subtle and not subtle successes. A long way to go here, but I think it works. hang in there.
 
Let me stress again that I admit to being uneducated, and also to being aware that the common feedback is that people don't know why it works, or how, but somehow, it does...
Yeah, the original hypothesis about the working mechanism of EMDR - activation of both brain hemispheres etc. - sounds a bit off to me, too. From what I know I'd say it's exposure therapy combined with cognitive-behavioural elements and short meditations (the handwaving). You don't need to invoke any novel mechanism to explain how all that might work together to be effective for PTSD. [qutoe]But however much or little you want to share, I'll be wishing you courage and strength and care and the wisdom of your T.[/quote]Thanks :) I hope you can try EMDR too soon, with great benefits.

A long way to go here, but I think it works. hang in there.
Thank you for the encouragement. I sure need it. Next appointment is set, and I'll have to take the bus home afterwards -.- Oi-vei...
 
Not very good at explaining myself, so here are a few more "hints".

I never worried about if it was working or not, I was always honest and genuine with my responses. But felt it was for my T to decide if progress was being made.

My T didn't check my levels after every session.

I think "a shift in perspective" probably sums up how Emdr works.

Concentrating on the trauma is the normal response. But my traumatic event probably wouldn't have been traumatic for most people (normal people) it was my past that shaped me and set my line of reasoning.
When we looked again at things in my past it changed the way I looked at them and I could understand how the circumstances meant this one event went against all that is acceptable to me.
Knowing these things meant I could be easier on myself, I could cope a bit better, this event happened but it is extremely unlikely that it could happen again.

You don't get back to how you were before the event, you have to learn how to live with the new you.
 
(((FON)))

I've just picked up on this and I am concerned that she is using you as a guinea pig. Please be cautious. Did she establish a 'safe' place for you to access and teach you some grounding exercises. These are esential and they need to be in place before EMDR begins, it took a few sessions before my T was sure I was ready.

It sounds as if she is expecting too much too quickly. As Jesta said it can take a while before that change happens. I had a few times where I realised something and everytime it really knocked my thinking sideways. A couple of times T had to alter the way we were working so he could safely bring me back.

He also allowed time at the end of each session to ensure I was back in the present by doing various exercises and grounding.

Please take care, I would NEVER do EMDR with someone who wasn't qualified to level 3 (Ts advice). Another quick question, has she undergone EMDR herself, here it was part of my Ts training which he is contantly updating.

Wishing you peace
KP
 
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