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Family estrangement and loss

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My extended family members are very successful in life generally. They are not perfect, but outside of matters related to my father and I, they are actually are generally decent humans. They support each other and do good things in the world... But every therapist I’ve seen says they scapegoated me in a horrible way. My family members have been clear: I am not welcome at any family events. Weddings, funerals, holidays, etc. They all agree, to some extent, my father was angry, aggressive, and sometimes violent.

He’s invited.

I am not.

Why? My speaking up (about abuse) when I was 16 and failing to “make your father happy” means I am not invited.

When I have asked what would make him happy? “You know.” That is the deepest level of specificity they have given. I know my father’s happiness is not up to me, but I still asked to try to understand better what they wanted and expected of me. No clarity.

I have contact with my mother. On holidays, she leaves all extended family, and even her spouse, my father, at the holidays, and spends them with me.

Which is weird.

My mother and I can’t talk about any family matters though, because it just never works to talk about it. She's willing to do family therapy with me... but I dunno... she and I are ok. She can't change the rest of them. Nor can a family therapist.

I’ve heard of families who cut someone off because of a drug habit, criminal behavior, mental illness, being gay, etc. All kinds of legit and really stupid reasons. Many trauma survivors have to cut off contact with family because it brings up too many on-going safety issues and/or too much contact with abusers and/or too many symptoms. All this has to be really painful.

In my family? It's none of those things. They act as if I do not exist. My father has a son. His daughter, me, is never mentioned, never spoken about. Family friends have contacted me to ask if I’m ok, they have validated they knew I was abused as a kid, apologized for doing nothing, and have expressed how weird the situation is now... (Yes that was awkward.) They say it’s like I died when I was a teenager. My mother keeps my old childhood bedroom just as it is when I was a teenager. Except in families where a teenager dies, at least people might talk about it now and then?

A trauma therapist once said this is existential abuse. I'm not sure that's a thing. But she said I suffered neglect the first few years of life, and now they deny that I even exist and that's existential abuse.

Years of therapy with a couple of trauma therapists with different approaches, and I can’t seem to shake it. I have tried to reconcile. I have tried to grieve. I work hard to not compare my reality with others. I've tried to find a partner to create a new family of my own, but that hasn't happened yet.

I'm haunted by the loss of my family. I can't seem to get my head around it or accept it and move on. Lately, it's been harder than ever. I'm having nightmares about it. Not about the trauma, but about the estrangement of my extended family members.

Anyone else deal with anything like this?
 
Not exactly, but I have no contact with my family and it is super difficult and painful. It sounds as if your extended family is very unhealthy because they can't talk about real things and thats a huge red flag about inner unhealthiness. It sounds like their outward "success" is just a fraud cause they can't own up to and deal with the issue of your dad being abusive. The way they're treating you is definitely wrong. I'm sorry you're going through this. Its so hard, I know, to not have a family, to not have a bunch of people who care about you and you can talk real with and you can spend time with. Its lonely and just feels awful to be treated as worthless like that. I'm sorry thats going on for you too. I hope you can find what will help. Maybe some other people on here have some good ideas.
 
I'm haunted by the loss of my family. I can't seem to get my head around it or accept it and move on. Lately, it's been harder than ever. I'm having nightmares about it. Not about the trauma, but about the estrangement of my extended family members.
Oh I am so sorry -- that is so horrible. Talk about a classic case of blame the victim. If they don't see you they don't have to face the awfulness of the person who would hurt you. In a sick and totally twisted way it makes sense.... for them.. And you are right - if you had died they would have at least acted like they cared. Unless it was the abuse that killed you. wow...even just typing that out makes me furious at them.

I can't really relate - I'm from a really small family so there aren't any extended relatives. My brother is a total nutjob and he's not speaking to me this year - but that happens every three years so I really don't even notice. He might come around, he might not. It depends on where I fit into his delusions. Sometimes I'm the good guy, sometimes I'm the bad... I haven't seen his kids (mom took off with them) since they were very little so there wasn't really a relationship built with them.

I like the idea that you are willing to create your own memories with your new family in the future. Is there a possibility you could do that now? Some of my closest "family" are people I didn't meet until I was an adult - but i still consider them family.
Sometimes family isn't made by blood - it's made by love.
 
My memory isn't so good. Didn't your father do something like throw you out of a moving car? You were supposed to "make him happy" how? By dying quietly?

It's a big world. No doubt someone has a similar story, but that beats anything in my experience. Was there some big, final scene, where he either threw you out of the house, or you left? (Mostly just trying to make sense of this.)

Beats me. But I can sure see how this would contribute to your feelings about getting fired by a T. Sounds like you've been fired by your "family".

I've been debating whether, and how, to go about trying to reconnect with part of my extended family. This pushes things a bit more towards "possibly more trouble than it's worth"!
 
Anyone else deal with anything like this?

Yep. It sounded as though you were talking about me. Except my family won't admit anything happened to me though none of them were there. They move on and act like I never exsited. My family won't speak about my trauma. He will empathize with a stranger in Dr Phil but when I say "that happened to me too" he says "we aren't talking about you". I don't get it. My therapist calls it a type of abuse as well though he didn't give it a name. My family took up 3 solid yrs of my therapy. I can't even face going onto facebook as seeing how they moved on like I never exsisted is very painful.

Those that actually act as though I'm alive act as though they are out to get me. Googling me? Known phrases? Calling my therapist? Like they are out to get me locked away in a mental institution. But why?

I feel ya. No words to help. Just know I'm there right along with you!
 
My extended family members are very successful in life generally. They are not perfect, but outside...

Yes, yes, yes... I have same pain that goes along with it like you. I'm just too depressed/exhausted to get into my story but just like you, no major things like drugs or criminality or serious mental illness (who need to be included the most IMO) my son and I are left out of all family gatherings/holidays if my mother is there. I had him out of wedlock and I'm not financially well off, partnered up, married, so I guess that means we don't matter ;) Being sarcastic - Mother's Day is coming up and that is a huge huge triggering day for me. I see all these wonderful loving families that are there for each other - even if they're dysfunctional, and then there's mine. I have a lot of anger and pain and sadness. You are NOT alone in this. Ha, and here I thought I was. I think part of it is that maybe they feel somewhat guilty or just don't know how to act around the situation. That is what I've noticed over last 10 years. Still doesn't negate the dagger in your back though.
 
@Keen - :hug: Thanks for the encouragement. I'm sorry you don't have family either.

I like the idea that you are willing to create your own memories with your new family in the future. Is there a possibility you could do that now? Some of my closest "family" are people I didn't meet until I was an adult - but i still consider them family.
I've dated in the past, and it's been so much easier than now. I don't know why it's getting harder. I can't seem to handle closeness in dating relationships. It's getting way easier in friendships, and that's fun. It feels good to have emotionally close friendships again. Whoo hoo!

But with dating? This family loss gets stirred up and I get anxious and numb, and then I have to manage that... I usually end up running or shutting down so much that either I or my partner leaves.

My family loved me as a kid. No doubt about it. They also hurt me beyond words. It's like I'm classically conditioned that when I feel love, I also feel fear and pain.

There is someone I'm connected to now, met on a dating website, I vetted him, and we are discussing the possibly of dating... We are not even dating. Just talking about it. He sends emails that are very kind. Probably the kindest emails I've ever read. Ever. He's writing about family life a lot, and what he wants in life and how he wants to build a home with someone. He doesn't say me, just someone. He writes very kindly of me. There is no pressure. I think? I am not sure if the whole thing is normal or not normal...

I read the emails about how much he likes me and is curious about exploring more of what dating and life together could be like, and I start throwing up and feel so anxious I lose my appetite. I don't know if this is normal for someone to write about to a potential dating prospect... but there isn't anything in the emails that is dangerous and worthy of this reaction. I don't think? I don't know. In the last exchange, I mentioned I enjoy making a certain type of art. He writes back about his day and ect, and then writes to ask me about if I've ever imagined a home with a rustic cabin out back with an art studio? He wrote about how he longs to have a house with a garden and kids running about, and what it's like to work through conflict in a healthy way...

It felt nice to imagine, and then I threw up, had nightmares about my family. It's at the point I may need to suspend contact soon simply because I keep having this reaction.
 
@lostforgottensoul, @Happyplace76 - so sorry to know you both are excluded as well.
@scout86 - I keep wondering if trying to reconnect is worth it.

Didn't your father do something like throw you out of a moving car?
You have good memory! Yes. He did that and other similar things...
You were supposed to "make him happy" how? By dying quietly?
Yeah... ugh. I'm still supposed to make him happy. I wish they would say SOMETHING about how like - get a better job or whatever. It's weird I want that, because it still would be missing the mark that uh, he was abusive... Like how about we first work on the family rule that no one throws others out of a truck going 40-70mph?!
It's a big world. No doubt someone has a similar story, but that beats anything in my experience. Was there some big, final scene, where he either threw you out of the house, or you left? (Mostly just trying to make sense of this.)
No.

When I was in college, and seemed to be ok between my father and I for quite some time. Then he called me up out of the blue on Jan 1, and told me he had been thinking about things and decided "it is too painful to be in relationship with you. You are not my daughter anymore. You don't exist."

He hung up.

I was dumbfounded.

Later on, I found out he also wrote a letter to my school that day, and told them we had "irreconcilable differences" and he no longer considered me to be a family member and to make sure I was not considered as someone who could be on his health insurance (which I wasn't on). My adviser contacted me, worried, and suggested I talk it out with him. Not really the role of a college adviser but he was surprised by the letter...

My father wouldn't return my calls. No one in my family could tell me why this had happened. Just "you need to make him happy." I nearly went out of my mind trying. (Years later I would find out he has done this to other people too, but I didn't know that at the time.)

About 7 years later, when my brother got married, and I reconnected with family for a time. He lives in the same city as my parents. My brother invited us all. Said everyone was welcome. Me, my father, everyone. If anyone was a jerk to anyone else, they would be asked to leave. Well done.

Wedding was lovely.

I spent a few holidays with them after that, the last of which I actually stayed with my parents. Everyone said it was the best Christmas in years and years. I was included. My heart beamed... I suggested family therapy to work through things for the long haul but my brother said no, my father too, so I just carried on... same type of pattern happened. A phone call when I thought things were ok. In fact, this time it was extended family who said to make him happy before I could continue to be included. My father had said nothing to me... But something was going on? I don't know.

It's been 5 years since then.

Beats me. But I can sure see how this would contribute to your feelings about getting fired by a T. Sounds like you've been fired by your "family".
Yeah.

I get a little worried when things seem to be going ok that someone will reconsider and drop kick my butt to the curb.

It's hard too, because it seems like I'm totally missing the boat on something, but it never gets clarified for me.

My family is friends with people who also happen to be therapists. They are neighbors. Two of them. They have tried to talk to them about me, before they ever met me. Not as therapists, just as friends, and have been really stunned. My family will talk to them about everything. But me? They did not say that "oh justmehere has this problem and that problem and so on. We can't stand her because of this and that...."

Nope. It was like I didn't exist, and if anyone talked about it at all, they stated it's because of my father's unhappiness with me. No further reasons given for that unhappiness.
 
@lostforgottensoul, @Happyplace76 - so sorry to know you both...

I always suspected my mother was a narcissist and my therapist (while saying she hasn't met her) said that it's fairly certain my mother had a personality disorder. A week before my cousin called - it had been like a year since we had talked and she was like "we all know your mother went undiagnosed" It sounds very much like your father has a mental illness/personality disorder too. I am really sorry - it's not us, and that's where the anger and pain comes from - it's deep. One of the deepest wounds I think someone can have. No offense your father is a sick man (and that's a nice use of a noun here) ;) and it's not your fault - nothing you can do to make him happy. I get snippets of validation too from old friends who grew up with me, members of our extended family... but I still am stuck in "owning" and being the "cause" of whatever the F is wrong with the woman who is my mother. I don't ever wish anyone to die or anything, but I can admit that the day she dies I will no longer have to watch my back and I'll be able to let it ALL go.


Oh and my mother "disowned" me many times through the years - pulled me out of college for literally NO reason other than to make me miserable, sabotage me or inflict pain. They're sick. I don't get it. Why I went no contact, but my mom made sure to keep me from the rest of the family when I did that. Lovely assholes aren't they? lol
 
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I've been thinking about this since yesterday and have a part of a theory. I think your extended family is probably afraid of your father and they feel like it's more dangerous to alienate him than it is to alienate you. Not a very heroic stand, but a pretty human one. I admire how much you value "family" and your willingness to persevere. But (I hate to say this) it's probably a losing proposition. I was fortunate enough to be working with my therapist the last few years my parents were alive. Things kept coming up that made me want to make an effort to "do the right thing". He kept asking me if I had a reason to think it would "go any different this time". I'm glad he did, because it wouldn't have. But it's hard to give up hope.

The "dating guy"....... I'm not sure I know what "normal" is either. (Although me T says he thinks it's over rated.) He SOUNDS nice. That's a start, right? The thing is, you pretty much have to take a chance on someone to find out. That's hard! Especially when your track record with people you've trusted is kind of shaky. Still, it might be worth at least meeting in a safe, neutral place? What does your T think? If you don't give it a chance, nothing will ever change, right?
 
Really sorry you are in this situation. :( Its extreme. When reading I too thought it likely they are all eggshell stepping around your father and cowardly throwing you under the bus to make their own lives easier. Abusive characters can sometimes "train" people into doing the most extraordinary things. My family is extremely skilled at this type of eggshell stepping and justification. I also think it can be a form of denial. Don't want to deal with your own emotions or any personal unpleasantness? Rewrite reality and blame those that should be the ones loved and supported. Instead protect the abuser. Its beyond me. I hope you find some peace somehow. None of this is about your value.
 
I've been thinking about this since yesterday and have a part of a theory. I think your extended family...
I've been thinking about this since yesterday and have a part of a theory. I think your extended family is probably afraid of your father and they feel like it's more dangerous to alienate him than it is to alienate you. Not a very heroic stand, but a pretty human one.

I really agree with scout86 on this one - I saw it in my own family. Nobody ever wanted to be on my mom's bad side/wrath (she'd start extended family feuds, actually broke up a lot of our extended family etc, my dad no longer speaks to his brother bc of my mother, she doesn't talk to her sister, but YET.... no body wants to step in and help me (The ones who did earlier in my life got the WRATH from her and I think that's why. I'm also not in the same socio-economic class as them, an unwed mother, far away, just basically I'm an embarrassment.

I believe in family too, however, in the US for example there's this myth of the loving, nurturing mother - the honoring your mother and father, etc... Oh my gosh I think I spent over 5 years pleading with God to forgive me for not being able to do reconcile with her/my passive father. Everyone, family, society, tells us that is your parent, they love you, they care about you. Takes that guilt and shame and just increases it 10 fold. But what I'm learning is that being a child of a personality disordered (malignant narcissist, sociopath) does not resemble a natural parent/child relationship - where that attachment, trust, and love are there. It leaves a gaping hole instead that leaves us feeling like there must be something wrong with "us". I remember growing up AFRAID of my mother - and she didn't throw me out of a car at 70 miles!

That is just not something you say, oh I'm sorry and move on from. The fact that they won't go to counseling with you says a lot. Says they know they did something wrong, but don't want to apologize or make up for it and someone who wants to be forgiven will do almost anything for that forgiveness within reason. Therapy is certainly reasonable. Don't waste your time trying to forgive someone who feels no need for your forgiveness. That hope though that all kids have for their parents' love, is an instinctual, biological one - but so is a parent's drive to keep their kid safe. Throwing your child out of a car at 70 miles is not a protective, instinctual, biological drive. It's the opposite. And so there is something very wrong with HIM. I'm sorry if I keep hijacking your post - it's just that the psychological/mental narcissistic abuse was probably my core trauma, and a lot is flooding back, I'm realizing I'm not alone, and I spent 25 years trying to figure out why I was "unloveable". It leaves you feeling like you have a dirty little secret, that your own mother doesn't even love you.

Forgiveness is also not reconciliation. You are a good daughter, a loving daughter who deserves her father's love. Plain and simple. I hope that helps you! Thank you so much for sharing this in a forum! :hug: Family estrangement is the elephant in the room nobody ever talks about and the pain it leaves behind is horrendous - by talking about it here, it helps a lot of people. :)
 
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