Freud; A Grave Worth Pissing On?

[Anarchy]

Anthony Daniels (AKA "Theodore Dalrymple") a retired psychiatrist, and anarchist writer taking an unflattering look at Freud, and his dictatorial behaviour towards his patients, peers and critics.

 

[Pencil]

I''ve not watched the video, being pressed for time, but YEAH, a grave worth pissing on!

 

[Ed Norton]

Well tbh complete dismissal of a psychodynamic approach for a pure cognitive behavioral approach is not helpful to patients. He was on to something. I don't have time to watch the video atm.

 

[Anarchy]

He was on to something.

I agree, he was. Done skillfully and with respect for the clients (Patient would imply a passive recipient) and fellow therapists, there is plenty of evidence that talking cures can be very effective.

The points being made in the talk on the video, are that
Freud was not respectful of clients or peers,
that his evidence is at best scant, and at worst at least some of it is fabricated, and his effectiveness is highly questionablel.

He also responded to questions, not with logic, argumentation and evidence
but with ad hominem, smear, shunning, and excommunication from his cult like movement.

The Behaviourists, I think were very much a[n over] reaction to Freud's lack of scientific and logical rigour, and an [imo excessive and scientistic] attempt to apply the model of the physical sciences to the problems that people experience in functioning in their lives and in society. Certainly, people like Aaron Beck Marsha Linehan and many others have done wonderful work within a cognitive behavioural model.

I'd want to keep their valuable work separate from my not very well informed and instinctual dislike for [the evil] B F Skinner.

Arguably, once shorn of their different and wooly jargon names for the same things, all of the talking therapies show a great deal of commonality. Their differences are on the peripheries, the core principals are very similar.

 

[Ed Norton]

Well that was an excellent summation of my feelings. Indeed, from what I have heard Freud the man was a snake..culebron

 

[EveHarrington]

Eh, maybe just piss on half his grave and leave the other half piss-free for simple respect for him as a human? Just a thought. Lol.

 

[Friday]

Freud is on my personal shit list. I can respect him as a pioneer, but deeply dislike and disagree with his philosophy & methodology... The same way I can respect Belzoni as a pioneer (amateur "archeologist" who excavated by blowing shit up & irrevocably losing countless contributions to science, and understanding of history), but deeply dislike and disagree with his philosophy & methodology.

Modern day psychodynamic approach has about as much Freud in it as Coca-Cola does cocaine. Origins? Yes. And that's about it. Most of Freuds work has been unilaterally disproven as complete and utter nonsense. Not all, but most.

 

[Ronin]

^^ Wot Friday said.

Along with 'and don't get me started on victim blaming, gaslighting Freudians. Because apparently the victims wanted it or it's all a fantasy.'

Edited to add: Not a fan of pissing on graves though. It's childish.

 

[Pencil]

And that's about it. Most of Freuds work has been unilaterally disproven as complete and utter nonsense. Not all, but most.

I agree, but Freud's ghost is still there in, for example the no touch taboo, and the general lack of humanity and compassion. So many people who pay fortunes to shrinks really need a loving grandmother.