News George Pell is convicted! "Like many survivors I have experienced shame, loneliness, depression and struggle.

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I thought one of the findings of the Royal Commission in to Child Sexual Abuse was interesting. That when those in power (particularly the clergy) minimise that sexual abuse could happen set up the conditions for it to flourish.
 
He won't do the whole six years.

Not quite correct @Parthenogenesis - he will do full time if he doesn't meet the conditions and requirements for Parole.

Just one condition being that he must understand and acknowledge the nature of his crime.

As I said in a previous post on here - it will be interesting to see if he maintains his innocence when he is approaching his Parole hearing. If he does continue to deny the crimes the Parole board cannot grant him Parole because he will not meet one of the requirements.

The Judge, in my view was quite fair minded and this instance had a huge amount of factors to weigh up. Given that there are no winners out of this... I think he (the Judge) did well. I'm glad I didn't have his job today.

I know ppl here will disagree but I'm still entitled to that view so don't slay me for it - thanks. :)

Now we await the appeal...
 

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They are spending unlimited money on his appeal.

It will be interesting to see how it goes @blackemerald1.

It gets worse.
It is a miracle that he got convicted!

The Judge, in my view was quite fair minded and this instance had a huge amount of factors to weigh up. Given that there are no winners out of this... I think he (the Judge) did well. I'm glad I didn't have his job today.

Now we await the appeal...
The judge was very clever and most strategic in the way he wrote his judgement. It makes the appeal much harder.

As a society we need to reevaluate how we use the law surrounding child rape.

@bellbird he had to sign the sex offender registry.

The third most powerful Catholic has been convicted. It is a significant change for everyone, everywhere in the Catholic church.

I never thought that I would live to see this day.

It's not enough time by a longshot! I agree @bellbird.
 
They are spending unlimited money on his appeal.

'They' are entitled! He is entitled to use (his own) money and anyone that wants to give him money for that if he so chooses.

The Catholic church is not spending any money on his defence or appeal. That's already been well established. So he can spend away. Money doesn't matter that much when it comes to appeals. You either have grounds or don't. There is no Jury.

Effectively as the Judge mentioned today he has been tried, convicted and sentenced for his own crime - not for any wrongs perceived to have been done by the Catholic church in Australia or globally. I think that is a very important point here.

Accountability goes to his actions - not the church. Whatever he did, he did of his own volition. That's why he's in prison today.

It makes the appeal much harder.

No..please explain your rationale for ^.

The Judge did a full summary. Nothing more or less. To suggest differently is mind boggling. The appeal is apparently around "the Jury got it wrong" - that's all. Let's see if that fly's far.

Nothing the Judge did or did not say in his Summary effected the prospect of Appeal. If one is granted. It's far too late for the Judge to do anything 'strategic'. He ran the trial very well so there isn't anything he could have done at a Sentencing hearing.

As a society we need to reevaluate how we use the law surrounding child rape.

Sorry! I don't even know what that ^^ means. :confused:

The law is firm - there is NO ambiguity around child rape. :confused: The law has never been any different. He was prosecuted well (it was not a miracle it was the DPP) and remember this was his second trial on this - so the Jury had a tough job. I wouldn't have liked to be one of them either.
 

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Some of my family is so high up in the Catholic church that they have had meetings with the Pope/s. So I have insiders knowledge. I went to law school, which gives a different understanding of the semiotics of judgements and I am not interested in discussing it further in this thread @blackemerald1.

If you want to discuss those issues feel free to start your own thread on it.
 
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