Has Anyone Here Experienced Ayahuasca?

[Philippa]

Who knows? Unfortunately, it happened and someone has lost a son. It is worth people knowing that it can happen and equally that if done properly, as you describe, may have benefits. Research is all, but how many young people are that aware?

Some are...many aren't. The internet is a fabulous resource, when it's used properly, but most teenagers make mistakes, and some make really BIG mistakes that cost them everything. It's sad for his family.

 

[Echo]

I don't agree that this was his fault, nor anyone else turning up like this. The safety checks are the responsibility in very good part of those who administer these things. Just as with any other substance. After that is in place, then, yes, it is an individual's choice as to whether they take a known risk.

 

[Philippa]

I don't agree that this was his fault, nor anyone else turning up like this. The safety checks are the responsibility in very good part of those who administer these things. Just as with any other substance. After that is in place, then, yes, it is an individual's choice as to whether they take a known risk.

Yes, it is supposed to be a supervised experience.

Someone dumped his body on a lonely road. Sounds like the shaman found him and didn't want the heat, so disposed of him somewhere isolated. I know a woman who was in Bali a few years ago and had had a pretty rough life, and was receiving healing from who she thought was a guru.

The guy broke her ankle...and then promptly left the room she was staying in, without so much as an apology! She was there for months on her own...apart from one man who helped her get medicine, but she never got proper medical assistance.

No one says anything in those countries because the shamans or medicine men, or gurus are revered and feared. They are put on pedestals and in Bali, it's very socially incorrect to gossip about a guru, no matter what he may have done. It's all written off as "karma" and no one speaks a word of it.

She learned to paint like a true renaissance woman in that time, as there was nothing else she could do but wait...but it was a hell of a way to learn how to paint.

 

[Echo]

Wow, poor woman! I'm glad something positive came out of it for her though.

 

[Deleted member 26214]

I felt like telling a bit about my last sessions.
A week ago after I have released some anger and stress, I actually could easily straighten my back posture, which
was bent since childhood due to stress.

But I want to give a review of the last time.

I walk up at 4:40. took about 2 gr. raw powdered Syrian rue with orange juice and some water.

I had about 15 minutes walk, and then took about 2 gr. raw powdered mimosa hostilis with water
(This is my simple recipe). It was bout 6:40. I have made a request to connect more to my singing and to my body.

A few minutes later I have reached my destination, which is a field.

About 30 minutes probably after the mimosa, I started to sing the Ajo Sacha plant song,
Which asks for healing. Immediately I needed to purge. Before, during and after I screamed.

There were horror screams.

I then continued singing, during singing I deed feel at a place where asking for healing, I felt like I connect to the meaning of the song.

I was silent. I had some unpleasant thoughts about the traumas I and losses I have had, and worries about the future, and worries if healing is possible.

I then thought I am complicating things looking for healing and solutions and simpler to connect to the present moment. It was an insight for me.

My body began to tremble from feet and up, and I was making voices which were also releasing.

After that I started to sing and dance together, I felt my body a bit clumsy. I then put Ayhuasca music on my phone, and followed

it, which felt easier. I continued to tremble during the dance.

I sat and my body continued to tremble. Turned off the music, and I felt my body intimately from the inside. It was a remarkable feeling. Since childhood, I felt far from my body. During all the process I could feel how part of me is still bored and far.

I could see/ feel a fence between two parts of me.

I laid down and trembling continued.

All the session I felt, like somebody is giving me a treatment from the inside,shaking me etc, But of course opening my eyes, nobody was there, It seems like the plants are giving me a private treatment.

At about 8:30 I have left and went home.

I had insights that I need to treat my wife with gentleness and not concentrate on what disturbs. Also that I shouldn't concentrate on my difficulties and traumas, but try to enjoy what I like, as much as I can, and this is a key for my healing. Though I find it difficult to enjoy, I would try to enjoy what I can.

 

[Philippa]

Thankyou for sharing your experience jivangilad. It sounds like it was an intense session with ayahuasca.

Do you find that the dancing starts to occur spontaneously while you are under her effects? Or is that something the shaman taught you is proper or good to do while journeying? I ask because dancing is a very good way to ground into your body and get out of your head, if you're the sort of person who tends to think too much and feel too little. I also believe that we are all our own shamans and our bodies can lead us to actions that will bring us into the present when healing is our intention.

I've heard that ayahuasca does align the person with their body again, if they have been disconnected for a long time...or ever. I know this can also be done using techniques that don't require medicinal vine from the jungle, but it is interesting that it can cause such a profound re-connection to take place.

People have also told me that it is a total cleanse of the body from the inside out. Like a hardcore detox or juice fast, but more profound as you can feel the action of the medicine in your organs.

Did the dmt come from the area, or was it brought in from somewhere else, and was it powdered down there or came like that? I found some mimosa down by the creek, which I think was hostilis, and took some bark to powder down, but I have decided not to try it until I am with someone who knows about this stuff more, just in case. I'm keen to try it though, and suspect that if it's the wrong kind of acacia that it will simply not do anything. I'll just be smoking bark from a tree.

What is the Rue for?

I'm curious to hear about your next session, if there will be one...

 

[Deleted member 26214]

To make clear about the recipe.
To make Ayahuaska you need a maoi, and DMT.

For Maoi, you can use either syrian rue, or Banisteriopsis caapi(Ayhusaska vine).

Syrian rue is much easier to prepare, and cheaper too.

For DMT you can use many plants.

Commercially, Mimosa Hostilis and Acacia confusa are the most available.
I found my source of Mimosa good.(mh-uk) . I buy it shredded, and grind it with coffee grinder.
Syrian rue can easily be purchased from many sources including ebay, and is usually reliable.

I buy mine in the market.
I follow the recipe in youtube , called: easiest Ayahuaska recipe.
I have made it even simpler, omitting the gel caps.

So I take powdered syrian rue with water, wait 15 minutes and then powdered Mimosa.
I use 2. gr of each, though many people will find this dose very mild, but for me it is fine for the purpose
of healing.

Mimosa hostilis, is not an Acacia of course, and it grows in the Amazon.
Some species of Acacia contain DMT. I wouldn't ingest anything I don't know for sure, but maybe you can smoke.

Some forums specialize in identifying this plants, such as shroomery.

Dance was not used by my shaman, though it is used in Santo daime.

One reason it is convenient for me to do sessions alone, is that I don't disturb anyone.
Anyway, I did what I felt like/ was guided to do.

I use Ayahuaska every weekend.

Everyone passes a different experience, of course. And it might be completely different.
I believe it can be easy to get this plants sent to you, and hard to believe anyone will suspect.

 

[Philippa]

Mimosa hostilis, is not an Acacia of course, and it grows in the Amazon.

Oh, I thought it was a species of wattle (In Australia wattle is known as acacia, unless I'm mistaken?) Wattle is the same as mimosa, which is the american name for it.

Some species of Acacia contain DMT. I wouldn't ingest anything I don't know for sure, but maybe you can smoke.

Thanks, I don't think smoking will hurt too much.

Some forums specialize in identifying this plants, such as shroomery.

Cheers for that. :)

I use Ayahuaska every weekend.

Is this something you were guided to do as well? I've heard people say they've taken 20-30 doses before and wondered if that's not just kinda similar to getting addicted, and have heard others in the know talk about people who get addicted to the ritual of it.

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I believe it can be easy to get this plants sent to you, and hard to believe anyone will suspect.

Well, I've looked on some forums and believe me, people are trying to get hold of this stuff and importing it from the Uk and all over, and they are all convinced they are taking huge risks and even going to the extent of getting a po box, which I also thought about. Customs officers do check for these things, and they are considered class a drugs, like cocaine etc.

 

[Deleted member 26214]

I do feel guided to use Ayahuaska. I haven't used it for 8 years since Peru.
I also felt guided about the right time and dosages a few times.
I also take it because I need healing, and to deal with the difficulties I am facing daily, including in my family and work.
I don't think I get addicted, since it's not always pleasant, but I know that I need to do it.
I have had serious difficulties with my wife, my parents, her parents, and our religious community who strongly opposed it.
But I was very determined, because I know I need to, and I know it is my right to heal myself, and take care of myself.

I am sorry that in Australia it is illegal. Again my view it is unfair, and unjust, and it is our right to heal ourselves.
By the way I see the sell Syrian rue in Australia on the web.
Maybe you could arrange to get Acacia, from someone in Australia, maybe from one of the forums.
By the way, if anyone is interested to go to Peru, I would recommend fransisco Montes from Iquitos, or Javier Reguiero from Cuzco.

 

[Philippa]

Thanks for all your wonderful input jivangilad.

I'm glad I started this thread, and thankyou for sharing reputable shamans names here, for anyone interested.

I have looked into getting mimosa hostilis powder from a supplier in the U.K. I've checked out forums and it's very hard to find apparently. Many people have taken to growing their own trees. I'm pretty sure the neighbours have one that hangs over my fence, so I might see if that yields anything worthwhile.

I agree it is stupid to make these things illegal and classify them as drugs. They are not drugs, they are sacred medicines that have been used successfully for thousands of years by tribal people. The good they have done for so many already is testament to that, but big pharma drug companies obviously don't want people taking this. It's all about money.

 

[Deleted member 26214]

Thanks.

I order from mh-uk net. It might be risky as you say, but I wonder if they really search for this staff, or know what it is. Maybe it is not as common and searched for, as other forbidden substances.

It looks like any shredded bark, and could be some other natural medicine. Doesn't have a name. Better to be delivered as unregistered regular air mail, I think, they tend to check them less.
I think smaller packet are less suspected too.

 

[Philippa]

Yes, it can also be used to dye clothes with apparently, so if it did go to court there would be no way they could prove that you weren't using it for that reason.