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@Impossible
You just described what life is like for those of us with Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. Nobody that doesn't have it cannot believe it. They can't accept that people like me we are only as safe as society chooses to make for us. Fun fact 85% of people with MCS were sexually abused as children. And that's just who reported their history. And that just makes the stigma worse. We are so marginalized, it's beyond comprehension.
 
@Impossible
I am wondering about how you express yourself because it reminds me of me about ten years ago. I was dumbstruck. My Therapist had to play guessing games to try to pry my story out if me. I still haven't told it.

I am constantly ridiculed by my family "don't be so sensitive" "that didn't bother you" "we want to smoke so we don't want you here" ad nauseum. I want to say a little something about self esteem. Just humor me.

It may or may not resonate with you but your post made me think of this. I read a textbook on PTSD that framed it into four areas of functioning: safety, trust, intimacy, and self esteem. When my children were young and I desperately wanted their lives to be wonderful and playful and safe and free of sorrow, I attended a lecture on children and self esteem. The speaker was engaging and I really like how she described self esteem. In a nut she'll, she said children come to school with a wagon for their self esteem chips. Children who are safe and nurtured and validated and healthy and full of good food have wagons full of chips. When the teacher asks for volunteers, their hands go up. They can risk failure because they are overflowing with chips. Then there's the child who's wagon has very few chips. She is holding onto them for dear life. She was battered or ridiculed or sickly or threatened and she can't bear to lose even one chip. She cannot take the risk of failing.

What can we do for this child? How can we fill that wagon with self esteem chips. If we don't do something for her she will surely live in the realm of anedonia. The absolute lack of pleasure. She is destined to slug it through her life on an uneven playing field. And then imagine that things keep going askew for her. Lack of food, lack of a loving attachment, ridicule, violence, sexual abuse, verbal abuse, performing poorly at school because with every passing day her chips seem to decay until the wagon is empty and rusting.

What advice would you give this child? How would you improve her self concept?
 
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@KwanYingirl , that sounds like a good textbook, good summary of the most 'difficult' areas: safety, trust, intimacy & self-esteem. I'd add 'hope' as a fifth one.

@Impossible, so many of us have been at the worst. The not-useful part about not being somewhat specific is that we can't think or troubleshoot problems from yet-unthought-of directions. For example, at the very least to make the unbearable more bearable. If we don't "tell", it's a guarantee it won't change. The worst thing that could happen is it's better than it is now, right?

:hug:
 
I am wondering about how you express yourself because it reminds me of me about ten years ago. I was dumbstruck. My Therapist had to play guessing games to try to pry my story out if me. I still haven't told it.
Yes, more often than not, I don't understand what I'm feeling, either. In addition, after 10 years of therapy, I finally figured out that the most important goal I had in life was making the person in front of me happy at that very moment.


I am constantly ridiculed by my family "don't be so sensitive" "that didn't bother you" "we want to smoke so we don't want you here" ad nauseum. I want to say a little something about self esteem. Just humor me.

When my children were young and I desperately wanted their lives to be wonderful and playful and safe and free of sorrow, I attended a lecture on children and self esteem. The speaker was engaging and I really like how she described self esteem. In a nut she'll, she said children come to school with a wagon for their self esteem chips. Children who are safe and nurtured and validated and healthy and full of good food have wagons full of chips. When the teacher asks for volunteers, their hands go up. They can risk failure because they are overflowing with chips. Then there's the child who's wagon has very few chips. She is holding onto them for dear life. She was battered or ridiculed or sickly or threatened and she can't bear to lose even one chip. She cannot take the risk of failing.
I like this.

My children are three and five. There is such a world of difference between how they act and how my siblings and I acted at that age. While I'm nowhere near being a "perfect" if such a thing exists, it's readily apparent that the children are going up with a healthy sense of self.

Not only do they have enough child, there isn't the negative weight pulling on them. They are free to express normal emotions. When they are sad, they can cry. Afraid, they can hug daddy. The strongest, most powerful human (in their eyes) loves, protects and defends them. And probably most importantly, he cares about them. Listens to them. Gets down on the floor and watches bugs together.

Their world and what was mine are as different as night and day.

I was terrified when my father would get angry. For good reason, they was a chance he could have killed one of us. When I get mad at one of my children, they know it's a timeout, and then things will be back to normal.

What can we do for this child? How can we fill that wagon with self esteem chips. If we don't do something for her she will surely live in the realm of anedonia. The absolute lack of pleasure. She is destined to slug it through her life on an uneven playing field. And then imagine that things keep going askew for her. Lack of food, lack of a loving attachment, ridicule, violence, sexual abuse, verbal abuse, performing poorly at school because with every passing day her chips seem to decay until the wagon is empty and rusting.

What advice would you give this child? How would you improve her self concept?
I'm still stuck on safety. I don't feel safe much of the time, and that's the place for me to start.
 
It sounds like you are just very much ambivalent about getting better. You don't really want to get better. There is a small part that maybe wants to get better. Until you get those 2 two to meet up, you're not going to get anywhere.
 
@In Exile
I Struggle with safety too. I am hyper vigilant constantly scanning my surroundings. I notice the smallest of changes in my Ts office, I recognize most of the white pick up trucks in my office parking lot. And so on. I have a safe place to go to when I'm overwhelmed-I mean I visualize it. I haven't made much progress in this area[DOUBLEPOST=1402365355,1402365287][/DOUBLEPOST]Your children are very lucky that you're their Dad
 
My issues aren't about my self-concept. Ultimately they're about my ability to be.

I'm sorry. I've told and re-told my issues to people and in places I've had to do so much writing and telling and screaming and begging for people to understand and to believe - not just this, but other things that were happening. And it's not only psychologically/emotionally/mentally difficult, but it's physically a problem as well. It's not that I don't think people might understand at least some of the components individually. It's too much for me to write about here and there is too much pressure to make it understandable (which is yet another whole can of beans). Frankly now people are talking about stuff in this thread that is something that's one of the ultimately terrifying things for me so I can't deal with that. I can't deal. I can't deal. And even if other people can or do somehow - not minimizing their experiences - but I.just.cannot.

And then most of the time when I write, it pisses people off. They'll attack me, assume certain attitudes in me or just don't like the words I use or the types of words or whatever. This is a lifelong thing. Over and over.

I've been writing a vent and it will probably offend somebody. And even this - talking about the "psychological" things - it's only part of the problem. There's ultimately an overarching, concrete thing. I can't deal with. It feels hopeless. In other people's minds it's "just" a matter of ___________(fill in the blank with various "attitude adjustments" or "healing" or "open-mindedness" or some sort of magical situation that hasn't yet happened and when the opposite has happened, over and over, throughout my life, every.single.time...it's a lesson hard-learned that it's not the right answer for me. Just because it's "normal" or "expected" or "what people do" doesn't make it right for me, and I don't have any other solution. And I can't deal with the consequences. I can't.

I think - I mean, there's no reason for anyone to not assume this is my first attempt to reach out in an environment of people who are positioned to understand at least some aspect of where I'm coming from. And there's no reason for anyone to know that even in those environments I may have been shot down or completely not-understood. There's no reason for anyone to know how old or experienced I am, where my knowledge about life and self come from, how long or how many experiences I've had. (Because I haven't talked about it.) Or how many and what kinds of experiences of being told things based on common axioms that have the effect of actually negating and twisting around my self-knowledge, gaslighting, causing me to completely doubt myself on such a deep and holistic level that it has created a completely unstable "soul-scape" (to borrow from "landscape"), so to speak... some by well-meaning people, other times by horribly abusive and terrorizing and even psychopaths who thought they were or gave the impressions of being well-meaning... Terrorizing that was positioned as if it were an "intervention." But that's not the only thing. It's a big trauma but it's only a part of everything. It's such a mess... I can't even talk about that, either. Everything is just "too big." It's overwhelming because it is "too big." It is too many things. It's not just a feeling of being overwhelming, it is. And it's stuff that's so basic to life, safety, all that - I've never been allowed to feel safe in life. On a basic level.

I can't "feel" cared-about because, people who are strangers don't even know me. And people who do know me - almost exclusively don't "get" me. So I spin my wheels just trying to explain myself, futilely. I'm tired. I'm too old for this shit. Too old, tired and unwell to be so desperate and to have been beaten down so many times and expected to just magically fix it. I simple do.not.have.the.resources or ability to deal with this kind of life crap anymore. All I ever wanted was just to be and I never was allowed, and now here I was supposed to be forced into finding the magical solution and I still failed, partly because of fears and ptsd and partly because I'm obviously just a worthless loser. And I don't mean I don't have "value" to anyone else. Oh there are others who I'm sure need me, but I hate that. I don't want to be "needed." That doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It just makes me angry. I want to be understood and valued for who I am. And frankly there's not really anybody who does that. (At least not further than the impact of what "who I am" does for them.)

Anyway I'm posting the rant and I'm sorry if it offends anyone. I'm also really angry and upset. This isn't directed at anyone in here. It's just my impression from experiencing the world "out there."
All the “shoulds” and axioms and rules and psychobabble are all so numerous and frustratingly espoused that from another level it all becomes just that – babble. And contradictory.

It’s all just too much. I can’t care anymore about what should or should think or be or do, or how to hold one’s thoughts or not hold them or what one is “supposed to” do with one’s inner mind (which btw was also something I was condemned for in a cruel lengthy terrorization situation, however inappropriate it still caused an extreme amount of damage). It’s just too much. I don’t want to be bombarded anymore with what I’m supposed to do with my head. I get angry at the jargon and triggered by the words – by nearly everything, in some form. It all becomes one giant “it doesn’t matter.”

I hate, hate, hate all the “be strong” crap. I’m tired – well, well beyond tired or even exhaustion – of being “strong” and being expected to “be strong” and people being praised all the time for “being strong” and of society only granting respect to the “strong.” I’m not a friggen warrior and I’m sick to death of battles that keep coming at me and I just can’t handle it anymore!!!!!

And all the strategies and tips and things that are supposed to help you “cope” or “overcome” fear – none of them work. None of them address the intensity of what I experience. It’s almost like all their end-game is, is just to say “don’t feel the fear.” And/or, “feel the fear, but don’t let it affect you.” Well, it affects me!!!!! And if I try to separate myself from feeling that fear, it’s the same as dissociation which “isn’t good” either. Nothing is okay. Nothing is right. I can’t take the fear, the pain, it’s too intense, too strong, too overwhelming, too damaging to me in and of itself. It’s too much. And it’s not a “can’t” of “negative self-talk” or that I’d just need some rah-rah self-esteem boosting as in “You can do it! Yes you can!” because that just ticks me off, too….. it’s not just a self-esteem thing. It’s genuine intensely and overwhelmingly excruciatingly painful. Mentally, physically, and emotionally. I am not able to handle that. So yes, then there’s “just fear of fear itself” because it is just plain too much for me. It’s all just plain too much for me. It’s not a matter of believing in myself. I’m way beyond that level of “I can be strong!and “I’m a warrior woman!” and “blah blah blah.” And under no circumstance are the sayings about “being there before and handling it and you can do it now!” anything I’d want to hear. They’re not even relevant. I didn’t handle it. I am not handling it. It’s just too much. I honestly have had way too much to deal with, over and over again, and I am done. It’s too much. For too long. Too many times. Too many decades. I have no interest in “coping.” I just want the bad crap to leave me alone. Go away. Go away!!!!! But it won’t. Please stop beating me down, please stop, please just stop stop stop.

And “being kind to myself” only allows me to further not do so in the end is it worthwhile because it continues the badness. It’s already seriously endangered me. No matter what, it’s there, badness and badness and intolerable badness. And again it’s not a matter of “perspective” – it’s real stuff. And there’s no medication that can magically change that (or as they say “help you cope until…blahblahblah”) because the effects of the meds – if they even work, which they likely wouldn’t – are not anything I can or want to deal with, either. And there is no magical “until.” It’s not like this is temporary and there’s some sort of magical light at the end of the tunnel. It’s not temporary. There’s no magical light!!! Being foggy-headed and drugged up on drugs that may or may not work but would almost definitely make me sick wouldn’t help that. Fog is a problem. I’m already foggy and sick enough!!! Now we have these pills so everyone is all over the place pressuring you to take them and if you don’t, you’re a “bad” patient, a “bad”…person, whatever. They’re not necessarily suitable for me.

What I need is a real answer to my life, not medications and coping mechanisms. But the real solution. I need to be clear to do that. I need to figure out the solution, and I need to do it. Otherwise it’s all just stinky raggedy infected band-aids.

Then there’s all this “mindfulness” crap being bandied about and pressuring for, all over the place. But really, it sounds to me like detachment from one’s own self. Disengagement and detachment (to look/watch “objectively” what’s going on in one’s inner mind and/or self in its dimensions, right?). So detachment from the self is something that’s hampered me seriously. It’s not okay with me. I need to be more within myself, not less. This to me sounds very much like dissociation. Which is considered not a good thing. Detachment from self = detachment from self. Anyway it grates on me to be told this – this word and this concept, they are both so jargony and band-wagony and – to me, it makes sense when you consider it in a context created by itself, but when you look more holistically, that’s when I realized it’s detachment with another, more “acceptable” title. Anyway, I don’t like bandwagons or jargons or the soup du jour…

I hate the words “negative” and “positive.” Everything is triggering. Certain phrases – and there are so many. Even little things like the color halos on the letters of the Law & Order titles, trigger & flash me back to one of the terrorizing people who held their life in my hands and screwed with me so badly that there's nothing left. And this was just the end-game, it wasn't only one experience, it was just the most recent and the worst - a culmination of decades of repeated experiences. Pretty much EVERYTHING is triggering or symbolic of something that I can’t handle. Not only reminders of the past but reminders of the intolerable future and reminders of the waste of my life. Anything that brings to mind pretty much anything that happens on a daily basis with everybody else, but for me it put me back into hell. But even beyond those “little” triggers that are “just memories,” there are real things I can’t escape and which I also can’t bear.

It’s not just about the triggers or the fears. It’s so complicated. I feel like the end is near. It’s horrible. I can’t deal.

I feel so hopeless.

Pointless.

It’s all been just too much. Over and over and over again, for way too long. All my life.
 
It sounds like you are just very much ambivalent about getting better. You don't really want to get better. There is a small part that maybe wants to get better. Until you get those 2 two to meet up, you're not going to get anywhere.
Or there is a great deal that is not understood about what I'm trying to deal with. That's understandable given that I haven't explained it. I guess I am always striving to just be entrusted that I know myself. To be respected and presumed that my perspectives aren't "just skewed." Even if mine are different. And in self-help it's kind of assumed that because "change has to come from inside" 'n all, that therefore everything must be psychologically-based, even when it's not. For example, if a crazed bear is running at me and about to eat me, there's no amount of psychologizing or self-help in the world that's going to magically fix that problem.

I want to say though, even given the lack of information, this feels like kind of an unfair thing to say. There are concrete, real obstacles in my life which I'm saying *I* have to find a solution for or else. I can't "get better" because the situation is such that it makes it impossible to do so. Isn't there a basic fact that one cannot magically heal while still in the traumatic circumstance that causes the trauma? Well as long as I'm in it, I can't "heal" because it keeps hammering on me, beating me up and beating me over and over again, worse and worse, now there's nothing left and I can't deal. AND until and unless I can magically find a solution to the very concrete issues that, one way or another, cause my life to be unsafe, cause everything to be traumatic - I can't "get better." There's no magic potion or strategy that's going to just make it all go away and clear the way for me. Thus the catch-22.

I don't know why I posted here...I know there's nothing anyone can do to offer concrete help. I'm desperate and hopeless and in excruciating pain... telling me I don't want to get better is one of the kinds of flattening responses that make me feel like I shouldn't bother with anything anywhere. I know there's nobody who can help me. I guess flailing in desperation before I go down was a mistake. I apologize for wasting time.
 
I've been trying to avoid commenting on this thread because my perception of this whole thing is not a good one.

You say again and again that you are powerless over the situation, but you won't say what it is so we can give you advice. You keep everything so vague that at times it looks like you are trolling. You're not doing anything to help anyone help you. And please don't tell me that you can't explain what is happening in your life. You are loquacious enough to at least summarize it.

I know, for a fact, that there are things you can do to change your situation, if you have the Will. And this may be hard to hear, but.. since you're not going to let anybody know what your troubles, you're keeping yourself on your own.

Best Wishes.
 
I feel it's good for you to be here. I've always had a hard time opening up about my traumas. It's hard trusting when we've been through so much. I think it's helpful for you to know we have all been through horrendous traumas. Just writing to us must be helping you feel you're not alone. Write as much or as little as you want. We'll be here for you.
 
You say there's nobody here that can help you. I'm not a mind reader, sorry. You are clearly suffering. Are you willing to receive help? If someone offered advice would you consider it? You have your heels dug in and without motion, nothing will change.
 
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