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Hi everyone, I posted yesterday in an inner child thread as I just needed to communicate, but have realised this is where I should have formally introduced myself. Very glad I have found this forum, as I want to engage with folk in recovery and healing. Feeling quite isolated with the recovery, have had to let go of a lot of toxic and unreliable people and pretty much start my life anew, so I don't have very many people to engage with, and of those that I do, they have no idea how to engage with what I experience, and at 37 I'm very much done with superficial interactions.

I have an issue with the prefix: I would be classed as "sufferer" but I don't like the label, it feels like I am a victim with no agency if I label myself like that, and we're so much more than that. Just my personal take on it, I don't mean to cause offence by it. You could say I "suffer", I experience flash backs, sometimes I can't tell that I am in a safe place and think I am about to be attacked and die, I experience depression, fatigue. I accept that these are all on my table and are mine and mine only to resolve, and I've put skin in the game. I also have to believe that I will one day be healed by my own efforts. I ramble.

My name is Chris, British guy living in Scandinavia, co parent and work in web. I experienced an abusive childhood, lots of violence and dysfunction of the type that I'm sure many of you can understand. It left me as a wreck entering adulthood, though I have managed to do ok for myself considering where I have been in the past. I do inner child work with my therapist, a 75 year old American who has done the work and healed his own trauma. I had spent about 15 years seeking healing, and had gotten no where with the various therapies, meditations, gurus, you name it, I've probably tried it and got the receipts. I read a book by my T, and realised it was the sum total of everything I had intellectually understood and attempted to practice, and then some so I sought him out and we're 4 years into the process.

It's the hardest work I've ever done, and continues to be. So much grief and pain, and constantly having tenets of your self-perception and belief system blown out of the water. I have made progress, I am a solid man who can support and nurture my young child, but I pretty much exist rather than live. I've been robbed of so many opportunities that other's take for granted due to this trauma, haven't been able to really offer my gifts to the world or pursue my dreams, and while I'm now in a position to continue progress, it makes me so sad that so many beautiful people have been robbed of a life because of this.

I work a four day week to preserve energy for me and my daughter as I am exhausted most of the time. I may take sick leave soon as I just about keep my head above water.

I'm quite isolated here in Scandinavia, I don't really dig the culture or get out much, but then again, I guess that's a perfect set of circumstances as my recovery and child are my only priority, and Scnadinavia is great for parents and kids, and it wouldn't really matter where I lived as I would still feel the same, so I am glad I have found this forum. I just can't do inane small talk, when I've been through hell. Well, I can, but with the right people. It has stopped surprising me how unwilling people are to engage with someone who is in pain, though I have been surprised by the people who do show up. All those who haven't had it easy, that are in my life, are the ones I can talk to. But I rarely see them, months will pass. Those who haven't dealt with their pain, or sweep under the rug using the external affirmations: job, holiday, car, big TV, fashion, status, etc are the ones who left my life when I started to communicate the pain I was in. They were never really there for me in the first place. But that's ok. The test is to find that source of love and security within myself, to heal the parts of myself in pain and not rely on any external source. Which is the way it is as I don't have any family or close friends anymore, and no one else can do the work for you anyway, but I would like to be heard by someone, its why I'm writing such a long intro.

I have some solid "wins" with the recovery, I managed to extricate from the dysfunction that is my family. Both parents were toxic and violent, and as is often the case, both deny all of it. I let them go a while ago, cut them out of my life, but my mother phoned a few months back and I used it as a test to gauge where I was at. A bit risky, but I was able to see how toxic she was, and own none of the character assassinations she throws my way since day one. She is truly messed up, paranoid, vindictive. I know she is not healed, nor will she take responsibility for her healing, neither of them will, and I have processed a lot of the pain and hatred by grieving the parents and childhood, and love I never had. But I do have large reservoirs of sadness, and believe I am unlovable. I also constantly alert for the threat of violence, physical and verbal, even though I am safe and a fairly big guy. The tough part of this is allowing yourself to be vulnerable to allow yourself to see that these defences and maintenance are no longer necessary. But these are all I have had to survive. I think I am going to die when I let them rest for a bit, so it feels like a catch22.

My issue right now is that in the inner child process, you parent your child and provide the love and security for them that they need to heal and grow. But a stumbling block to my progress is that I have no reference for that, and my T and I have identified that my healing is still a long journey because of this lack of reference. I do it for my own child, but that's because she is an angel. I don't realise that I deserve that too. My motivation is my daughter, as when I get into my pain, I feel unworthy and useless, so I do it for her until I value myself enough to do it for me.

I am writing here as I am not taking good care of myself, and this is a positive action to do and reboot my process. After I write this, I will go and sit with my Inner child and stay there until I get the insight I need to reboot my committment. I don't know if there is a creator, but I find that the intention of asking for whatever it is I need to move on is always illuminated, the insight I need, or perspective to continue the process, always comes. You could call it prayer, or a call and response to the self, who knows, but I'll take anything I can get at the moment.

I have faith in the process I am using, there is a large spiritual component to it, but as I don't see any forums or threads devoted to that aspect at myptsd, I shall keep that to a minimum, it's not actually necessary to bring up, but if anyone does want to, I'm always up for conversations on topics such as shamanism, consiousness, Jung, Hero's journey and myth, I'm well stepped in that stuff. But I'm a survivor of child abuse, and I don't make any great claims, I'm here to talk to others who have experienced trauma, make a good contribution to the forum and receive, and hopefully make some real connections.

Thanks for reading, I look forward to hearing from you and engaging with the people here, thanks



Chris
 
Welcome to the forum Chris! I can relate to much you have share.

I have processed a lot of the pain and hatred by grieving the parents and childhood, and love I never had. But I do have large reservoirs of sadness, and believe I am unlovable. I also constantly alert for the threat of violence, physical and verbal, even though I am safe

Core beliefs can be so difficult to change. Sometimes I feel like I have made decent progress and then I find out, there is still some work to be done. Usually it is after a visit or unexpected call from my parents. My T (therapist) has had me write and role play what I wish my parents could have told me when I needed to feel loved.

My issue right now is that in the inner child process, you parent your child and provide the love and security for them that they need to heal and grow.

I, too, continue to work with my inner child and it is a never-ending process. Again, my T had me writing letters then reading them aloud to myself. My inner child is often confused, hurt, and afraid. I have been able, over the past year or so to recognize her playful, silly, and mischievous side, so I am considering this progress. When I remember to take time for me, she is so much more relaxed. Imagine that....if only the process was so simple!

There are many people on this site, who have great ideas and support to offer. Just knowing someone else is out there in the world and understands what I am experiencing has helped me in the short time I have been here. Welcome again!
 
Hello @Chris78 welcome. I'll stick the kettle on:coffee: :hilarious:

Spirituality comes up quite often. I do find jungian spirituality very appealing. I like zen it's witty and doesn't take its self too seriously. Really enjoy reading Allan watts books he seems to explain zen for the westerners point of view.

I've a stack of spiritual type books in my amazon wish list but I'm not really well enough at the moment to read them sticking to survival type reading atm, self care and what not. I'll get to them once I'm a bit less symptomatic.

You're obviously a very careing father, I wish my mum had had half the dedication to healing her mental health issues when I was a child. Could've saved us a lot of suffering.

Glad you're here, sorry for the things that brought you here. :)
 
Welcome @Chris78 ! You have worked very hard to get here. It is apparent by your words. What a blessed daughter you have ! A father that loves her so. Glad you are here!
Here is a thread you might enjoy...."Earth Centered Spirituality: Pagan, Wicca, Druid,Native American, Others." It is a new thread and very interesting and so enlightening. I'm sure you would have something to contribute there.
Looking forward to seeing you around.
 
Welcome to the forum Chris! I can relate to much you have share.



Core beliefs can be so difficult...
Hi Enalia, it's work, work and more work isn't it, peeling the layers. As soon as I think I've reached a plateau, I'm moved on to the next challenge. It's probably the hardest thing we'll ever undertake, feels like that at the moment, though I like that quote, goes something like "never met a strong person who had it easy . ." Not sure of the source, but we were given wider shoulders to manage the trauma I guess. Really glad of the welcome I've received, very grateful, thank you. Looking forward to hanging out here
 
Welcome @Chris78 ! You have worked very hard to get here. It is apparent by your words...
Ooooh, that looks right up my street, thanks for the link Ladee, and thank you for the warm welcome! Yes, I realise that my effectiveness as a parent, the love I can give, is directly related to the love I can give myself. My kid knows she is loved, her mother and I maybe over compensate sometimes as we both had it bad, but I can be a better father the more I heal. But I'm proud of her, and me, she's very comfortable getting angry, I love that confidence, something I never was allowed to do ( unless I wanted to invite violence) and she tells me off if I'm cranky, she's four :) the cycle of abuse that has been in both of our families for generations has stopped with us. Anyway, I'm a rambler, very much appreciate your welcome Ladee, thank you
 
Hi, I'm new here too as of today. Thank you so much Chris for sharing your story. It's refreshing to read a post that's as honest and open as yours. I find myself keeping my story to myself as there are so few people who can handle what they don't understand.

I have no insights or special answers to your unique journey but keep on keeping on. Thank you again for sharing. It means a lot.
 
Hello @Chris78 welcome. I'll stick the kettle on:coffee: :hilarious:

Spiri...
Hi NWKW, I have a ton of stuff I have put off for weeks, and today I said "Yes, I will do it, but not today, as I do not feel very well and need to rest", wish I could take a whole life time off, and read my wish list :) I've heard of Alan Watts, and tried meditation for years without much success at a local Buddhist monastery, but have found that I can access it better now that I have got some healing behind me, is funny how change can illuminate something that was previously off limits. I'm actually gonna make a shrine again when I too have the energy, not because I'm especially devout, but it reminds of the safe, calm place with the kind monks I would visit when I was a kid. Not particularly Zen, but will brush off my zazen if my knees allow. I hope you are feeling safe and able to get some rest, thank you for the kind words. I'm glad you've made the choice to heal, takes courage, that your mother didn't do so is tragic, but we are not our parents, as demonstrated by our committment to healing, thank you again NWKW
 
Hi, I'm new here too as of today. Thank you so much Chris for sharing your story. It's refreshing to...
My T spoke about a card from a kind of Nordic tarot. Odin, Thor's Dad, is hanging upside down from a tree, the story goes that he is lowered into the hell realms, and surfaces again with one eye plucked out. It's called the way of the "wyrd", old English spelling. It's where you lose all your known references and orientation to what you thought you knew, but gain clarity and insight as you have lost your conditioning. So he loses an eye as his eyes keep him tethered to the surface of things, but what he loses in sight, he gains in insight. I feel that the recovery work has also blown my belief system apart to the point where I have no reference point. I dont have the insight, (but I do wear glasses, in your face Odin!) but it's freed me of trying to put a positive spin on things or keep up with the latest trends and crap that just doesn't matter. A bit lonely too, but it allows me to be more open and less guarded, on a forum, and with people in general. I don't broadcast it, but I don't shy away from it, by saying out loud to others, I honour myself by declaring " this did happen" it's not something to be buried anymore. But you're right Stp, folk can't handle it, or don't want to do the leg work. But those who have suffered usually grow a bigger heart. I'm glad we were able to find our way to this forum, I hope we can get a lot out of it
 
Hi everyone, I posted yesterday in an inner child thread as I just needed to communicate, but have real...
Dear All, I'm pretty sure I've arrived at the right place, feels right, and the heartfelt welcome I've received from you all confirms that. Thank you for hearing me, it's a shame that we were brought here, but a boon that there is a place for folk like us who deal with what we have to deal with. It's coming up to 10pm here and I'm exhausted having binged on OITNB, have a restful weekend, and thank you again for giving me the space here, I am very grateful, and excited!!
 
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