How are you coping with Epstein news? (not a debate thread)

[shimmerz]

there's a lot of people being impacted by all the news and talk about the Epstein files.

Okay, I will bite. I think that it is really difficult to even understand what the Epstein news and talk actually is. Depending on who you listen to - there could be wildly different perspectives. I am going to suggest that that is due to this....

but really the issue is the lack of independent journalism

If we all have wildly differing perspectives because there is nobody upsetting the apple cart because anyone who goes after the truth is threatened or worse still, murdered (see Nick Shirley) then of course even brining up the topic of Epstein leads to debate - because nobody knows WTF is actually the truth of the matter.
Therefore it seems like this.....

this is not supposed to be a debate thread

is impossible. Why? Because we aren't all working with a set of facts. That leads to debate - of course - but if we aren't allowed to debate it (IRL - not in this thread), then we all have to stand back and continue to let it happen.

Here is the one fact I do know. Nobody is in jail for having interactions with what appeared to be a trafficking organization. Probably not run by Epstein, which means, whether he is in Israel sunning on the beach or dead six feet under, the trafficking ring is most likely still running.

How does that make me feel? Like the rot is never going to end. Rot - btw - that isn't even acknowledged by the President who says 'Are we still talking about Epstein?'

f*cking right we are still talking about Epstein. Because our girls and young women (if looking stricktly at Epstein's victims' genders) are still being trafficked - whose lives are still being destroyed. Which makes me not trust the power structure at all - I think for good reason.

We need investigative journalists who don't have to be willing to trade off their lives for seeking the truth. We need to figure out where the snakes are, round them up and dump them in a vat of acid. Only then will I be able to reconcile the damage done to me as an infant toddler/ my ensuing CPTSD which has ruined my life. We ned investigative journalists so we can round up the snakes and build a world where our children and grandchildren don't have to spend an inordinate amount of their lives fighting flashbacks, hiding in their 'safe places' and sitting on a f*cking (sorry) forum for PTSD because these disgusting POS are given free reign to destroy lives because of their f*cking fetishes and greed. \

If you got this far, thank you for listening.

 

[anthony]

want a reply to this?

Yes please.

 

[Grasping Hope]

Why? Because we aren't all working with a set of facts. That leads to debate - of course - but if we aren't allowed to debate it (IRL - not in this thread), then we all have to stand back and continue to let it happen.

I want to clarify that I never said we shouldn't debate the facts. I said we should debate them in a different thread, out of respect for the OP who said right in the title "not a debate thread." I'm also saying it's isolating because since the world is so divided about loving or hating one politician, and both sides are making this a polticial issue, so we don't have open discussion because no one is hearing anyone else. I've tried to talk to a lot of people about how this issue is affecting me, because it's absolutely destroying me and I need support. And no one hears, because they are so divided on politics. I get people basically shouting at me in one ear "well, you were an idiot to ever believe there would be justice" and in the other ear "be patient, trust the plan." And no one, but no one, hearing what I'm actually saying. Not "pissing and moaning" as Anthony said. Trying my darndest to keep putting one foot in front of the other as my heart is shattered.

I agree with everything you are saying, by the way. I'd take it some steps further. I am confident the guy's not dead, and also that Epstein Island was not an isolated case but the MO of the satanic cult that has run the world for thousands of years, about which we can't talk because we are labelled conspiracy theorists. (I do anyway... then spend the next several days picking myself up by my bootstraps after people's reactions show me what a long way there still is to go.) There have been other such operations before this one and I am 99% sure there are others going on still. This is SO not about Epstein!

How does the situation affect me? Like being hit by an 18-wheeler. Like constant replay of what the satanists did to me, while they torment me saying it will never end. I KNOW the world is run by an international satanic cult: the cult I was raised in, that destroyed my life and continues to destroy millions more. The only question in my mind is whether there is an organized force fighting it or not. Sex trafficking blackmail operations are just one node in how the cult operates. The failure of journalism (because either they are too brainwashed to see in front of their noses, or they are afraid for their lives, added to the censorship most don't even realize is a thing) is to dig deeper and point out we're talking so much more than the trafficking of teenage girls. You have to dig a bit, but there are survivor testimonies already out there that tell us what was really going on, and it's stuff I am absolutely desperate for the public to know. The public meaning people who won't go digging and who won't believe until it's on mainstream news. When I say I'm desperate, I mean in a way that feels beyond life or death. For years I've been holding desperately to the thread of hope that this administration (I don't even live there) would be the one to disclose. So the betrayal coupled with people who could not care less about the victims treating it like a poltical issue has put me in a tailspin of programmed triggers. "No one will ever believe you." "We have all the power." "We own you." "Don't ever tell anyone, they'll think you're crazy."

In my particular case, it goes even deeper than that; for spiritual reasons I won't go into here I believe I can't be done with my time in this world until people do wake up. And I am more than ready to be done.

So since that dark day Pam Bondi said "it's on my desk" and then trotted out the alt media (controlled opposition IMO) with those binders full of nothing, I've tried to tell people I thought would understand how this was affecting me, and found people I thought were awake aren't ready to hear the truth. I've been told it's coming and to be patient. I've been told not to talk about it, that people don't want to know and will never want to know. I've been told there will never be justice. I've been told not to let it bother me and find other things to focus on. What I haven't gotten is even one person actually looking me in the eye and saying "I hear you." I've talked to other survivors, looking for common ground and camraderie, and found... well, I actually can't talk about what I found, because it brings up programming. But I'll say talking to other survivors made my despair even worse. I've lost friends. Become more of a hermit than I already was. I'm holding by a thread to my will to live, because of the Epstein news... or lack of news. I feel like a ghost, floating around the edges of the "real world." That's how this is affecting me.

 

[shimmerz]

Couldn't have said it better myself @Grasping Hope . Standing in solidarity.

 

[anthony]

which we can't talk because we are labelled conspiracy theorists.

Ahhh... you can talk about what you want here. Never been any other way on this site. You just have to do it in the right area of the site, and do it in a way to try and limit anything against our very limited rules we have here, ie. don't start arguing your opinion. Most conspiracies tend to have some truth, its just the level of truth. Some not much, some a lot. Conspiracies are theories that need exploration to ascertain the facts, and facts change constantly.

There have been other such operations before this one and I am 99% sure there are others going on still.

No doubt about it.

The public meaning people who won't go digging and who won't believe until it's on mainstream news.

Is there a mainstream news any more? Mostly dead, is what I see of that.

For years I've been holding desperately to the thread of hope that this administration (I don't even live there) would be the one to disclose. So the betrayal coupled with people who could not care less about the victims treating it like a poltical issue has put me in a tailspin of programmed triggers. "No one will ever believe you." "We have all the power." "We own you." "Don't ever tell anyone, they'll think you're crazy."

I don't think Epstein files is about any one administration. The last one didn't do shit, this one has done a little more, but still nothing substantial. I think there is a lot more people involved in covering this up than just any one administration. Maybe there isn't as much as they claimed, or was destroyed, maybe there is more than they claimed and it just damns so many powerful people. Don't know.

 

[user27357]

I dont think journalism is dead. I think healthy cynicism is dead or dying. I think corporate integrity is dead or dying.
There was a time when getting a story wrong was a career changer for a journalist, it was an embarrassment to their employer, it was a threat to their corporate sponsorship. Now, few fully believe anything a journalist produces BECAUSE hyperbole is normal fare. Consumers expect lies and news weighted with political intent. Unfounded conspiracy is a 24/7 stream. When all of the noise fades out and the truth comes around no one puts up retractions, most people dont care enough to expect one. News sources know this and just let it go, hopefully unremembered or unnoticed.
So if a good journalist tries to be true to the facts they are at a disadvantage to the noise and hype. Its hard to make money selling truth in a world where click bait and hype podcasts syphon off so much of whats available. Its hard to sell truth in a market where it isn’ valued or even expected.

When a top trusted and respected pollster can be sued for publishing results, when major networks will step away from defending a high level well respected journalist being sued for reporting an accepted truth, and when the corporate owners let it happen without shame, yes, it looks like journalism is dead or dying. When all this is happening and consumers dont seem to care, i guess the next conclusion us that journalism is dead and no one cares.
i say journalism is dying because no one cares.
When a major network let a journalist go undefended against attack from the white house i cancelled all the corporate services from them i was paying for. i doubt they care.
When a journalist was mistakenly included in a phone call with high level secret information being exchanged and reported it honestly only to be slandered by the white house and the department of defense i immediately subscribed and bought subscriptions for my kids.
I search for reputable unbiased sources for truthful news and reward the sources that publish retractions when they get it wrong.
I am not alone, i am not special. I dont think i am worthy of praise or better than anyone else.
I think i am maybe a little bit more like previous generations than most, more like the vast majority of news consumers of just a decade or two ago.
Journalists are not gone, they are just looking for work. the networks aren't dead. They are just used to non cynical consumers.
Twain said a lie can get halfway around the world before the truth gets its shoes on, if he was alive today he might add “who cares?”

I do. As long as some of us do there is hope that an employer will hire good journalists and that the trade will live on, stronger than ever, we sure need it today more than ever.

 

[user27357]

As far as epstein? still waiting for the truth to show up. I didn’t know it at the time, but i guess i have been waiting since the clinton administration.
thanks @anthony for inviting me to vent my fears and hopes for the future of journalism

 

[Warrior Chicken]

How it’s affecting me. I know all too well what some humans are capable of. What lengths they go to in order to collect their trophies, be it the victims they manipulate, the systems they orchestrate, or the high profile people they influence and collect (many who are complicit). It’s not confined to Epstein, he’s just one name to hit the stratosphere. It won’t stop there, and I hear what others have expressed about all that. It’s a human problem, which unfortunately won’t end because some humans are so horribly flawed. The best I can do? Is to point those around me to what that looks like, where to be cautious, how to protect from it. It can’t be cured, some humans are just vile. There’s no justice for that. Ever. Not enough at least in the democratic world. In some parts of the world? Yeah…not going there. That’s a whole other thread in itself. Both in what justice looks like and how easily some can be impervious to it.

So, how’s it affecting me. They’re just the ones that got caught. But people like them won’t ever stop. And there are plenty more. Not just sex trafficking but labour as well, in every neighbourhood. The only way to slow it is to keep our eyes open, educate, protect others as best we can. Many of us know very well how exploitation works and can spot it. Sometimes we make mistakes or things backfire but it’s far better than just turning away and saying - not my problem. People like Epstein et al make me focus more on what needs to be done to protect others. I can’t get distracted from that.

 

[Muttly]

Hi all, health issues have been consuming my time, energy and ability to think so I have not kept up here. I got a ping though and skimmed some of the most recent posts.

Just to clarify my perspective a bit. I welcome debate outside of this thread. I think blindly trusting media and what we know about this case in particular leads us down a dangerous path. For the purpose of this thread though, I don't think that matters. For me, constantly hearing reference to the possibility of sexual abuse/exploitation/etc, debate about validity of the abuse/exploitation/etc, and talk and debate around justice regarding abuse/exploitation/etc can be triggering. It's not the facts, it's those concepts. My fear is, when debate occurs, the voices talking about how those concepts can get lost.

 

[Grasping Hope]

I'm starting to get some hope back since the big document dump. It depends on your perspective. My focus is on people waking up, and it's actually starting to happen. Not as fast as I would like, but it's starting. There are people saying "I thought this stuff was conspiracy theory, but now I see it's true." Even though the information has been out there for decades, for many it has to be "official" for them to believe it.

I'm actually astonished by some of what has been released. It's a whole lot darker than what was in the public domain previously, now in black and white, undeniable. And still not being talked about on mainstream media, who are still focused on left vs. right and throwing a few scapegoats under the bus, but on social media, the truth really is coming out.

And missing a ton, still, sure. And black-pilled people abound, saying there will never be justice, nothing to see here, business as usual. I actually don't think so. The information is changing the court of public opinion. When enough people see through the facade, they stop cooperating. The satanic system depends on a mind-controlled populace cooperating with it. Yes, there is lots still to go, but remember the hundredth monkey effect. We're not far from critical mass, and from there, freedom snowballs.

And no one will convince me otherwise.

 

[anthony]

And still not being talked about on mainstream media, who are still focused on left vs. right and throwing a few scapegoats under the bus, but on social media, the truth really is coming out.

That is a conspiracy and truth all wrapped up together. Mainstream is dead, and the faster people come to terms with it and switch to independent online media, the faster they will start to get a much bigger picture of what's going on in their town, state and country.

 

[Grasping Hope]

That is a conspiracy and truth all wrapped up together. Mainstream is dead, and the faster people come to terms with it and switch to independent online media, the faster they will start to get a much bigger picture of what's going on in their town, state and country.

Unfortunately many of the people who vilify me for my opinions still get their "information" from the CBC. It's amazing to behold. Basically the equivalent of people in the Soviet Union reading Pravda thinking they were informed. It's that bad. I can always hope they will eventually be caught up in the snowball as it rolls downhill. For many people, it's not just a matter of switching from one information source to another, there is a whole complex process of learning to think for themselves that has to happen. Basically deprogramming.