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How Do You Deal With Difficult People

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@Anarchy The thing about that is, while sure I don't think pot is a bad thing. As an adult this person is willfully choosing to break the law, a stupid law, but still a law.

It's possible this man may be harmed by police, or maybe not. I wouldn't consider a beatimg an acceptable punishment over smoking a joint. If he wasn't in possesion of a controlled substance, then the cops would have no reason to be there. Then he definitely won't get a beating.

As for losing his money/property. Again, this person is willfully doing something that may result in this happening. This is the risk one must accept if they choose to engage in illegal activities.

I can think of a way that this person could be harming Heather and her daughter. While not directly, this person must associate with dealers in order to buy the stuff. Drugs are worth alot of money, money makes people willing to engage in violence to avoid losing it. You had made reference to prohibition. Look at what happened during that time, extreme violence, all because bootlegging was a highly lucrative business. Many people died so others could get drunk. No one needs to drink.

This then brings these kinds of people within close proximity of a house containing a child. Just so some guy can get stoned? No one needs to smoke pot.
 
I hate that when people buy pot they are putting ultimately money into the hands of bad drug dealers. These are people with lots of blood on their hands. I really kinda wish pot was legalized all over the US. That would at least eliminate the criminal element. Though I do still feel that Heather is right for wanting to keep her daughter away from that.
 
It's not only that.... When we would visit our father in Maryland. He would sit outside his building and smoke it. I was too young to know what it was but all I knew is that it was gross and stunk.

Years later at a Bon Jovi concert these two guys were in front of us and I smelled that smell. I asked my friend what it was. He told me it was marijuana and it all came rushing back, my dad, the abuse, everything.

So, it has negative connotations for me on every level.
 
I reported the dude upstairs to the police for cocaine. He tried to sell me some. Telling the landlord didn't occur to me coz here in Oz, it's not really their problem, and if he's paying the rent, then...

The cops did sweet FA.

Now I get to be totally paranoid that Mr Junkie and his junkie entourage are gonna trash my place for reporting him.

Kudos to you for fighting it, because if I could afford to, I'd chicken out completely and move out! Even without the health issues, the security issues alone are enough to do my head in.
 
Heather,
I can understand that you are very concerned about your daughter, especially in light of your own experiences and recent discoveries.

Our own internal states NEVER justify unjust or disproportional treatment of others.

NEVER!

This thread is about dealing with difficult people, and I do not intend to deviate one single inch from that topic.

Realistically, is this guy or his actions any threat to you or your daughter?

From what you've written, he comes across as a not very functional young guy, who takes something to get some temporary relief from his inner demons...

I know that there are people on this forum who have more strongly held misgivings against medicating our problems than I hold. you could probably count them on the fingers of one hand.

Someone's choice to medicate or not - is theirs, based on the best info available to them. The choice is theirs, not mine, not yours.

Ok, so a bunch of coke snorting, boozing, glory holing, psychopaths on capitol hill gave their easily bought and sold votes to a bit of legislation in favour of the business interests of the DuPont family... to appeal to the illegality of spliff is to commit the logical fallacy of "Appeal to Authority" Link Removed and the argument that pot should be condemned because pot is bought from criminals, is a fallacious circular argument because by definition, it can only be bought from criminals Link Removed

simillarly, do the maths. Volume of your building in cubic yards, grains weight of tobacco and pot in a joint. that will give you the concentration in wht you are breathing, multiply that by hours to get your dosage. I think that what you'll find is the exposure is less than parts per billion. Way below anything that could cause you any increased risk of ill effect.

That leaves us with your triggers and your fears.

OK, let's assume that you do call the cops and (if they show up), that they are absolute angels. who just give the guy a pep talk.

How would you feel, if you got two cops, showing up on your doorstep, unexpectedly, to bollock you?

You would be pretty distressed, yeah?

why should you inflict that on the poor guy because of your internal triggers and your internal fears?

that kind of action has names, like "acting out", and "abuse", or, "being a difficult person"

In practice, if the cops do show up, they're very likely to seriously terrify the guy and to "take him down" (use more or less physical violence on him, check some of the other guys posts on myptsd to see just how far that can go). They could also get the wrong flat and "take down" the wrong people. That happens.

I note the comment about dope not affecting land lords in Australia. In your beloved united state. Asset forfeiture laws allow cops to stage a sting, then confiscate the building from your landlord and to evict anyone in it, so that they can sell it. Check it out, it happens.

What am I suggesting?

I'm suggesting that you take ownership of your fears and your triggers as yours, not his,

and

that you treat your fellow tenant (who in the words of Thomas Jefferson, is neither breaking legs nor picking pockets) with neighbourly respect - rather than have him terrorised by the cops - just because you can.

you might also like to re read your earlier posts in terms of distorted cognitions, especially black and white thinking.
 
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I want to preface this with a personal message. @Anarchy I respect your intelligence and your beliefs, though I don't always agree with them. I don't know the details of your past, but I am aware that you have had to suffer at the hands of authorities that abused their position. With this in mind, I am going to be far more tactful than I likely otherwise would be.

Our own internal states NEVER justify unjust or disproportional treatment of others.
The simple fact is, she hasn't. Even phoning police, she still wouldn't be. If you look at her earlier post about this issue, she has gone above and beyond what she should have done. She was or is, under no obligation to provide warning to someone about their criminal behaviour. She has in fact been very neighbourly.

Realistically, is this guy or his actions any threat to you or your daughter?
Yes. They most certainly are. This is an illegal use of a controlled substance. The very important questions that should be asked are not "why is he using it?"
But, "Who is he buying it from?, how is he getting the money?"

The person selling it to him could very possibly be dangerous, and the method of acquiring the funds could incite violence towards this man. Putting Heather and her daughter in the line of fire is unethical. People have absolutely died for a little bit of pot. Some sadly, have been people who were in no way involved with the situation. They just had the misfortune of living nearby, some have been children, some have been infants. Look it up, they aren't difficult cases to look up. Why should she be accepting of this (admittedly remote) possibility?

he comes across as a not very functional young guy, who takes something to get some temporary relief from his inner demons...
You know as well as I do that self medication with mind altering substances, legal or otherwise is an unhealthy behaviour. It's not dealing with problems, it's burying them. Doesn't matter if it's alcohol, marijuana, heroine or methamphetamine.

there are people on this forum who have more strongly held misgivings against medicating our problems
Using a substance combined with therapy, for the purpose of establishing a better quality of life, is good.

Sitting on the settee, getting gooned all day every day, is not. Doesn't matter what substance is being used.

Someone's choice to medicate or not - is theirs, based on the best info available to them.
This guy lives in the United States, he has access to an almost unlimited supply of information, as well as cutting edge medical and psychiatric care. Sorry, but I just cannot accept that as a reason.

pot should be condemned because pot is bought from criminals
Honestly, I firmly believe it should be legalised. I don't want to use it myself, but I think it would be a better alternative than alcohol, even just to drown yourself in.

But if the source is illegal, then yes it should be condemned. There is no way to know what is in it, how old it is, who's arse it was in while coming across the border. There is no form of quality control. You get a bad bag of pot, what are you going to do? Call the police to complain that your drugs were subpar?

your triggers and your fears.
Please ask yourself this as well. I am not saying this in anger or to point back at you, but please, really think about this.

why should you inflict that on the poor guy because of your internal triggers and your internal fears?
If when she was doing the walk through prior to signing the lease. The landlord had told her that cigarette smoking was allowed in the building, but she decided to move in anyway despite her being a non-smoker. But then new guy rents another suite, then chooses to smoke cigarettes, as is allowed. If Heather then threw a fit and complained about another tennant, exercising his rights. I'd agree with you.

But he's not exercising his rights, he's infringing on her rights to a safe home to raise her child in.

In practice, if the cops do show up, they're very likely to seriously terrify the guy
This isn't her problem. This is not insulin. He will not drop dead from a lack of THC in his body. He is not forced to commit a crime for his survival, he's actively choosing to risk legal repercussions for what is at best, an unhealthy coping strategy.

Asset forfeiture laws allow cops to stage a sting, then confiscate the building from your landlord and to evict anyone in it
If the landlord is running a drug den, why should they be allowed to keep it? Again this is not her problem.

Incidentally
what if the guy already has a couple of BS convictions?
If this guy is so concerned about the legal ramifications of a felony drug conviction, he needs to stop committing drug offenses.

Heather on the other hand, has a moral and legal duty, to do whatever is necessary to protect her child. She has no obligation to protect the freedom of a criminal. Irregardless of how unpopular the law he is breaking may be.

I would like suggest one thing to you Anarchy. You of course don't have to listen to me, but hear me out. I think that this may not be the most appropriate thread to be discussing this particular issue. I know it's important to you, but if it's only serving to distress the OP, maybe it's best left alone for now, or taken to a new thread?
 
I would keep a log of all conversations and seek free legal advice ahead of time.

I keep thinking of the show "The P.J.'s" with Eddy Murphy if you want a break to laugh at the situation.

In your defense: non-action equals acceptance of illegalities and sets a precedent in your child's mind. Also now proof exists that pot destroys the brain, also brings around bad/dangerous company (I used to smoke pot). More need for people to advocate for what is right, not ignore what is wrong. Accepting/ignoring offences is a slippery slope, i.e. leads to acceptability of worse offenses.
 
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