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Hubby And I Both Have Cptsd, He Still Doesn't Trust Me....

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When your spouse has CPTSD too there are a bunch of complexities -- and a lot is also simplified as we understand each other really well. In our marriage my husband can't seem to let go of his hypervigilance when it comes to trusting me. For example, we were watching TV in the bedroom last night, the neighbor kept running his power washer, I grumbled, and went to make a sandwich. Husband thought I went to holler at neighbor. Uh, no. The relatively trivial assumptions of my poor judgment add up, making me work really really hard to verify and inform and try and set his mind at ease that I am not going off the res. I probably have fallen into a poor pattern of trying to please him even when his lack of trust is clearly unfounded. But I love him to pieces and want to please him.

More difficult is when hypervigilance has him invent things that I said. The pattern is clear: he feels threatened because he feels I am slamming how he handled something, so he begins to argue with me about what he THINKS I said - which is always always untrue. He makes up what comes out of my mouth, and builds a big argument on this. What it looks like to me is that any whiff of me not being 100% supportive = trigger, which manifests itself as his crazy, invented argument built around something I NEVER SAID.
Case study: Our water bill posted a ridiculous $700+ amount with a transaction date from 2005, when we didn't even own the house. He went to Water Dept, guy there was pushy and basically said "you owe us." Hubby didn't have glasses and couldn't read supporting docs from Water Dept guy. I saw them, it's still not clear that we owe this, hubby went hypervigilant saying that I disapproved of how he handled the situation. Not at all. I was mad at the Water Dept and told husband that the documents provided yesterday by that department were not clear, at all, he will see this when he can read the papers. Sigh. Off to Dysfunction Junction. Today he is really cold.

Last night I realized that he continues to parse each of these events not into a pattern, but keeps them separate and discreet in his mind. This enables him to ignore the pattern of mistrust and inventing what I say to him. Last night said he never realized the pattern. Folks, we have had this same stupid go-round at least 50 times, and every time I have to keep at him that HE IS INVENTING WHAT I SAY.

I don't know what to do here. It's so bad that even disagreeing with him on something stupid is making me nervous and anxious, because the tightrope to properly communicate with him is too hard to walk. I am very smart, employed, analytic, honest, God-fearing, loyal, faithful, balanced and committed to my marriage. My CPTSD is well understood, I hate it, but I know when it rears it's ugly head. I am not out of control. He can trust me. But he won't. What to do? thx thx
 
Just because you have CPTSD. does not automatically make you trustworthy. It doesn't matter how many times somebody says to me that I can trust them - I simply can't. The fear is inbuilt as a part of the condition.

It sounds as if you are coping better than him. That is great. But it sounds as if you are suggesting he is not trying hard enough. I am not sure that is fair.

Are you both in therapy? I would recommend it.
 
You can't change what you don't acknowledge. He won't do therapy. He looks to me to provide the information on PTSD, will not research himself. He will read -- eagerly -- what I provide, and has made incredible strides. This is a problem in our relationship. Hypervigilance can be lessened, it can be altered and recognized when it happens. ONLY if the person wants to change. My husband does not want to change.

Hypervigilance is a well-defined CPTSD symptom, we know it causes significant problems mentally and physically through an overactive sympathetic nervous system. The fear is part of the condition, but you don't have zero control over yourself. Just because he is afraid does not mean he is right, or abdicates responsibility for accusing me of imagined slights.

None of us will ever be cured. We will manage. We will improve. But we won't be free. And we are not given carte blanche to hurt others, which is happening to me. I am tired of the accusations.

I am trustworthy, you have to trust me on that ;)
 
Okay, I realize my constant recommendation of this text is starting to seem like it's all I have to say about communication at all, buuut... consider getting him The Assertiveness Workbook. It may help him analyze situations, communication, what was actually said vs heard, etc.
 
Ditto @Lucycat. It does not work like that at all. I only trust one person completely. One, in my entire life, and he is not my significant other at all. I have lots of close friends. I have awesome family members. I only trust one person. It took at least four years for me to get to that point with him. Everyone else is suspect. My avatar is actually a really good representation of how I psychologically regard everyone else.
 
None of us will ever be cured. We will manage. We will improve. But we won't be free. And we are not given carte blanche to hurt others, which is happening to me. I am tired of the accusations.
Forget the CPTSD part, you need the right kind of couples counseling. Communication is communication, and everyone's is wonky. So yours and his is wonky because of a specific mental health diagnosis, but that's not the actual issue - it just means you both probably have a grasp on your OWN issues better than most.

I don't know a ton about those modalities, but I've heard good things about Dan Wile (collaborative couple therapy), Pairs foundation therapy, and John Gottman just as a good reference.

He can't just trust you any more than you can just accept his deductive vigilance reasoning. You all need to start speaking the same language, somehow. Couples counseling, or a couples workshop, or really anything just to start getting on the same page - that's my 2 cents.
 
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