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I Don't Want To Lose Who I Was. :(

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It's so not fair. I mean, yeah I was in a good mood last night and this morning, but then I fell back out of the present time into my own little faraway world and have just been so depressed all afternoon and evening. I thought I was at peace with being diagnosed with ptsd, but I'm not. I don't want it. I don't want it to steal my personality. I had such a good sense of humor, loved to laugh, loved life, tried hard at everything, was nice to everyone around me, could empathize with people... Now I'm just jealous of all the normal people with normal functioning brains.

Sorry to sound so depressing. I know there's hope, but I just hate being depressed. I shouldn't have to waste what should be the best times of my life being depressed.

I was at the grocery store today, thinking about what it would be like to be one of those baggers or checkers... I used to work in a grocery store not to long ago, at a time when I thought I was getting better with every passing day. I never thought these symptoms would come back again. I was so happy and full of energy. Now, you just read about ptsd stealing peoples' personalities and former selves and how they develop a 'ptsd self.' I just don't want that. Anyway, I couldn't picture holding down a job right now without being completely horrible at it, spaced out, and severely depressed. And normally I'm a great worker.

I'm sorry; I know it's not helping anyone with ptsd to hear that, but I don't have a lot of experience with this yet so I just can't tell when I'll come out of it. I've come out of depression before, and I came out of my ptsd symptoms twice before, but I just never know how long they're gonna last. If people could talk about how long they go into these faraway, disconnected feelings and how long those usually last, that would help. With my experience the longest one went on for half a month before I snapped out of it and back into being fully able to concentrate.
 
I know that being diagnosed is a hard thing to accept. Sometimes when I think I am accepting it, I feel like I am being compliant and will not strive for better, but accepting the illness does not mean things will not constantly change I think. Change is or can be constant, we dont have to stay status quo. How long? I think that is very individual to each person and there is no reasonable guess. I have been down for months. Often, I get ambitious and am productive, then crash and burn, that is related primarily to health issues, but it triggers my depression. I know that I need to pace myself, but am avoidant about some things, then they pile up and I am forced to address them. Then I am overwhelmed.

Like you, I want my old self back. I liked who I was and would not trade places with another person in the world. I think there are times when I grieve that loss. Its like grieving a death of a loved one. Im sorry I dont have answers but I wanted to let you know that I know how you feel.
 
I'm guessing when you talk about "far away, disconnected feelings" you're thinking what might be happening with you is dissociation? If so, other people telling you how long they're in a dissociative state for isn't likely to be helpful simply because each person's experience is unique - it's not like everyone has a period of X long and after that all is well.

It's also worth saying that dissociation is more than a "far away disconnected feeling" - it's worth talking to your therapist about your actual experience, what happens before and after you experience whatever's going on for you and what it's like during your spell of far away feelings.

As I said on your your other thread, be careful of trying to live up to a diagnosis which to be honest, sounds questionable at best. Give yourself time to feel whatever it is you're feeling and stop trying to put it all in a PTSD shaped box - your felt experience is enough for you to need support, the label should help you get that support, not make you think your life as you know it is at an end.
 
Maybe you should be careful about what you wish for? Every other post you have made was pretty much begging for this diagnosis. Are you sure you don't have a personality disorder?
 
, and I came out of my ptsd symptoms twice before, but I just never know how long they're gonna last…\… With my experience the longest one went on for half a month before I snapped out of it and back into being fully able to concentrate.
If you have actually been diagnosed with PTSD - although your 'Uh Oh' post which talks about your consultation seems a little vague on that. You say she said you scored highly as having some of the symptoms - that's not the same as having PTSD. You can tick as many of the other boxes as there are, but if you don't have a criteria A trauma then it's not PTSD - I don't know why you're so keen to keep ignoring that fact? - I would be questioning the diagnosis if it was me. I think it's pretty irresponsible of this therapist to tweak your experience the way she has so it might fit, I'm also wondering how long she saw you for before diagnosing you?

You're talking about having PTSD type symptoms for a couple of weeks at a time here and there before being able to get back to your normal self again? Have you read many other posts on here? That's not typical of PTSD and if that's how it effects you, I'd say you're very lucky.

You don't need to answer here, but I do think you need to get honest with yourself about why PTSD is the diagnosis you've become so fixated on? Is it somehow more acceptable to you, or do you feel it's somehow more socially acceptable maybe, than other diagnoses that have been suggested to you? Did you ask this therapist to look at any other diagnoses that would explain your symptoms and that you meet the diagnostic criteria for, or did you just decide to settle for being told you had some symptoms of PTSD and take that as a diagnosis?

Personally I wouldn't want to accept such a majorly life impacting diagnosis if I didn't meet the criteria for it, I'd want a second opinion.
 
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I'm not familiar with your other posts but I do know that PTSD is not a life sentence. There is healing from trauma. No fear. You will emerge from this as a better, stronger, wiser person than you were even before. You have more understanding about empathy, compassion and love than you did before even if you don't realize it yet. People spend their lifetimes trying to "see the light." Truth be told, I think you see it coming "out of the darkness," when you rise out of the hole that we don't wish on anyone. I think through suffering eventually comes understanding and greater growth than we ever could have without it. Although I am not quite there yet, I know that I will one day be free of these everyday nightmares, the startle reflex, the flashbacks, the intrusive thoughts, the distorted sense of self and guilt and all of the other many things that have come my way because of PTSD or as I like to call my diagnosis RFT. I know that I will find my peace.

Do not identify with the diagnosis. Rather than PTSD, I like to see it as RFT, recovering from truama. I hate anything with the word syndrome. Recovering is the key word. Sometimes there will be better days than others but keep going with the flow of this river of life and do your best not to hang onto the mossy rocks along the way. Move around them. Keep the Faith and know that you will feel "free" once again. Nothing in this world has to really define us. PTSD . . . those are just words or letters. As time goes by, you will have better and better days. And you will find the serenity that you seek my friend. The greater the problem, the greater the promise. My prayers are with you, Rising Sun.
 
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Okay, you've posted similar ideas in other threads and left them to start new ones (did you not get the responses you wanted?), usually without answering some appropriate questions posed by others in the forum. Also, you were devastated, somehow got an appointment, consultation, and diagnosis within like 24 hours, had your vague consultation and maybe a rushed and loosely interpreted diagnosis possibly by a seemingly irresponsible therapist, felt like all of your symptoms were lifted, and now they are back. These all read like thought patterns to me, but I don't know you or what is really going on. It sounds like you are devastated by thoughts that might not even be true, having feelings constellating around the thought "oh no, I have ptsd" (vs clear ptsd symptoms). Having a teacher that makes you blush is still not like being raped. I wish I could empathize for whatever is up with you but I don't understand it, or quite what you are doing or why you want to identify with ptsd so badly. Is this a sort of story for your writing?

If you truly have depressive symptoms or distorted thoughts wreaking havoc on your life, I hope you are honest and open to a longer sort of intake with a therapist and a broad view of what is going on with you.
 
Having a teacher that makes you blush is still not like being raped. I wish I could empathize for whatever is up with you but I don't understand it, or quite what you are doing or why you want to identify with ptsd so badly. Is this a sort of story for your writing?

This. Also @Solara expressed it nicely yesterday wondering if we're "being punked"

I don't want to be unsympathetic, but the story doesn't fit on multiple levels. Just putting it out there. And if community involvement and support was the goal, rather than a pity party that's not forth-coming, then there would be activity on other threads as well.
 
I feel like you are almost actively fueling being victimized by what you feel is PTSD.

I could be totally wrong. But you talk of its horrible effects in a way that is very different than others and then you talk of horrible what if senarios. Almost like you are writing a drama. I know you are a novelist, and maybe it's just your style of writing, but I doubt it's just a style of writing. I think it's your way of being.

It's almost like you want to be seen as a poor soul being devoured by a monsterous disease. That's not even quite how ptsd works. I have very severe ptsd from complex trauma... so I speak from experience.

People try to help support you on your threads, which all have the same theme of "oh woe is me" - and instead of engaging offers of help and support - you abandon the thread and start a new one along the same topic. You don't engage people on the thread about suggestions and support they offer. You just go start a new one with the same ptsd-is-destroying-me theme.

It seems like you are seeking attention. Not recovery. Not for you to get real advice and options you can use to get back to your oh so wonderful life before the somewhat questionable diagnosis of some symptoms that come with ptsd (and many other disorders.)

This is a little different than seeking support or advice like most posters here.

Based on what you described as the event that triggered ptsd like symptoms for you, I do believe that with a very small amount of treatment, you will Wuickly recover from any ptsd symptoms those events triggered and you will go back to your normal pre-PTSD symptom self. I really don't think it's going to be this horrible thing you keep dreading and pre-emptively grieving.

Your pre-ptsd symptom self may have other problems to be worked on in therapy. Perhaps another anxiety based disorder or something else...

I think cbt therapy would be great to challenge your catastrophe typing thinking patterns.

But as far as ptsd robbing you of a life... That not fitting for your situation as you describe it, but feels very over dramatic.

I never thought I would ever feel that way or say that to a poster here, but that's how you come across to me, again and again. It's like you just want attention and... well I don't know what.

Maybe you are showing some serious learned helplessness in your posts - which makes it all the more important to break this pattern and start taking responsibility for your recovery.

You are not helpless in dealing with your mental health symptoms.

if you don't want to lose who you are to ptsd, then there is much you can choose to do about it, especially in your case. I think the real question is - are you interested in that? If not, then that's your choice, and because of your choice, you probably will lose out on much of what you describe as your wonderful life.

I want to see you get back to being that winderful life and person. To get there, you gotta change Yoir perspective on how you see this and take some responsibility for your recovery.

These faraway episodes, if they are daydreaming or dissociation, they are something people can and do learn to manage and control. It takes learning about what triggers them, engaging trigger planning, and then learning lots of grounding and mindfulness skills. They don't have to be *just* something that happens to us.
 
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Oh, and if you are posting as a character in your novel or to do research for a character in your novel, please stop. You really don't understand what PTSD is, and what PTSD is not. For example, PTSD is not a mood disorder. Your changes in mood suggest something other than PTSD. Going off to far away places - I'm not sure what that is. Even if it is a dissociation thing, and it doesn't quite sound like it, there are other mental health problems can cause dissociation or excessive day dreaming or whatever is happening for you when you go to a far off place.

I would also like to remind you of some of the feedback that was posted in your other thread "Uh, oh..." - all of this very good feedback by very knowledgeable and wise members, and all if it is very applicable to this thread as well.
If you are able to still see that you have great potential, and still believe in your gifts - then you can aim towards those, put your shoulder down, do some serious therapy, and probably get this under control lickety-split.
Sounds like you think a mental illness is the end of the world. It's not.
While I understand the need for some kind of diagnoses to ensure you get access to treatment, the problem is that people often then find themselves "living up to" the label they're given. By that I mean they look for worst case scenario for the particular diagnoses and look for all those symptoms in their own experience, which actually slows down recovery.
If you have it, you have it. So, if you have it, you have two choices, fight it or let it eat you alive. I chose to fight it, which a lot of us do, because it's worth it...
You can do whatever the eff you want to do. There is no ceiling. Yes, people will tell you there is, but in my opinion, you can set out to do whatever you want and do it. Yes, people go back and forth about varying functional levels, but I wasn't officially diagnosed until I was 37, so I never let it stop me because I seriously thought that everyone was dealing with the same crap, too, and saw that they were carrying on, so I just fought like hell and had months where all I could do was get to work before coming home and sleeping because work and life took so much energy...
The diagnosis sucks, but it is not a full-on road block. Use it to make yourself more compassionate and caring and deep and open. Your characters will follow, you will connect more openly and honestly with more people, and will be stronger (not weaker) because of it.
I'd also caution against believing anything like "I have this-or-this disorder, so I no longer have power over my life" or anything similar. It's pretty common for young adults to struggle with the transition between having dreams for their lives and entering the adult place of making those dreams reality. It's easy to just want to give up for a while, and can even be relieving to find a reason to throw in the towel. I'd also caution, as others have, against ascribing any negative thought or feeling to ptsd. Flashbacks and not being able to pull out of negative thoughts or feelings aren't the same thing. The negative beliefs and feelings, as well as concentration and presence difficulties could also be connected to depression/anxiety or the overwhelm of being a young adult, especially if you feel like you don't have the right support, resources, or even the right goals sometimes. It can be hard to piece out. But CBT (as well as things like mindfulness) can be really helpful for self-defeating beliefs, whatever their cause.
Sometimes the feeling of believing we have potential but are powerless is actually more self-soothing than the scary fact of trying to take action towards meeting our goals, or the fear of failing or not actually meeting the potential we dream about. Hopefully through therapy you can learn more about your inner resources and the power you have to direct your life. Feeling more positive right now could be connected to feeling like you have support or someone on your side. Hopefully your therapist can help you find tools to move forward. Good luck.
My advice to you would be to stop focussing on whatever diagnosis and engage with the therapy you've been offered - it's clear that you're struggling in some way and whatever the reason, therapy will help.
I think reconsidering some of this excellent advice by others is going to help you a lot more than finding out how long people go to "far away" places, and how it compares to your own experience.
 
Just to be clear, I'm not a troll or trying to seek attention or information for a novel. If I didn't have these concerns, or symptoms that I never had before in my life, then I would be doing other things than posting on here.

I admit that I can feel really passionately about some things, and maybe over dramatize them, but that's not me just trying to be a drama queen, it's just the way that I am. I've never been a hypochondriac either, and until these symptoms came up I had experienced one 3-month period of severe depression (related to self esteem/body image). When my last symptoms came up, I was depressed and anxious for a week and a half, then a after a couple weeks I was very depressed (and suicidal) for two more weeks before coming out of it. Now with my symptoms this time, I've had on/off periods of depression. So I know that even though my normal tendency is to be upbeat and positive, I am prone to depression. I can believe that, since even though everyone experiences depression in their lives, people with creative minds tend to be prone to it.

I was with the therapist for about 45 minutes (went over time on a 30 minute free consultation), and her first questions to me were "How are you feeling?" (I told her my emotions had been all over the place and I wasn't doing well) and then after a minute, "So did you have prolonged abuse or was it a single incident?" And I answered, "I've never had sexual or physical abuse. I had an abusive teacher." Right away her response was, "Yep; that'll do it." She also asked me what my interests in school are, and I said "creative writing." She said that it's surprising how many people with ptsd are writers. I don't know how true that is; I know that from reading on here some people seem to be interested in art and writing and other creative fields. I have thought about whether she was trying to brainwash me into thinking I have this just to get my money. I know that talking with her would just be paying 80 dollars an hour for a talk, and her trying to improve my self esteem which normally doesn't need improving. The thing is that when I was 14 (and 15 and 16 especially) I did have low self esteem, due to being made fun of and having an insecurity that I didn't even know existed being publicly brought to everyone's attention. So when my mind gets triggered to feeling like I'm in danger of that guy again, then I go back to being that little girl and the fear and stress and anxiety come back, even though I know it's years later and I've grown up so much since then.

She asked what "triggered" me, and I said over a year ago in August 2013 my sister and I were sitting in the parking lot and this guy gets out of his car right next to my (tinted) window, and I could've sworn it was him (it could easily have been, because I know he's "teaching" in the area now even though when I had him as a teacher we were both living clear on the other side of the state). Immediately I blushed for no reason because I thought he saw me, but it wasn't just a simple blush like 'Oh, I know him, can't believe I'm seeing him after all these years). I felt scared and on guard, and looked away in the hope of him not seeing me. It was almost like I was 14 again and he was standing there making me blush. We drove home that night, and I started seeing images of that classroom tied with depressive feelings and THE WORST anxiety I'd ever felt in my life for a week and a half straight. I mean, racing thoughts, not able to find comfort anywhere. In fact, I didn't even know what anxiety was until then because I'd never had it. It was then that I really started thinking about memories that I realized I'd been repressing and trying to forget about ever since I'd left that class. I mean, I really hated him for all those years.

She specializes in bullying, self esteem, CBT, ptsd, transgendered issues, etc. as compared to the other psychologists in my area who mainly specialize in trauma, ptsd, childhood abuse, depression, etc. and some "therapists" and "counselors" who also specialize in gender issues or self esteem. The therapist I saw is a "Liscensed Mental Health Therapist." I also told her (since I'd been feeling a lot of guilt and emotional flashback type things) that if I'd known at 14 what I do now at 22 (that I could so easily have switched out of that class instead of putting up with it, then I would have. But, it was my first year of high school and I'd never switched out of a class before and didn't even know you could do that. I thought I had to put up with whatever teacher they gave me). And the therapist said, "It's interesting you say that, because you don't know how many people come in here and say, "If only I hadn't been wearing such a short skirt," or, "If only I'd switched out of that class." Then she told me that it's never the victim's fault, even if they feel the need to blame themselves.

So I did the 15 question test, rating on a scale of 1-5 how much I felt each of the symptoms, and I tried to answer as truthfully as possible. For one question it asked about insomnia and nightmares, and I put "3" even though I never really have nightmares about him (he does pop up in my dreams now and then and I know that I really can't stand him and he makes me uncomfortable, though I don't know if any of them have ever been a nightmare. I usually don't have nightmares). A couple nights prior though, I was having really bad insomnia (don't usually have that either). I was tossing and turning trying to escape emotional flashbacks (including rage at him, even though I usually don't have rage) and even a flashback like I was reliving sitting in that classroom with him saying all those things to me and my class laughing, and even though I'm confident now and all his comments were completely childish, if I'm in a moment where I'm feeling like I'm that 14 year old again, then I'm gonna be hurt by those comments.

It's like, imagine going your whole life having everyone treat you right for the most part, and you consider most people to be good people and trustworthy, and then all of a sudden you have this completely evil person treat you like crap, leave you with unwanted, scarring, emotional memories and make you hate him, and then you go on with a damaged ego and worry that someone is gonna treat you like that again. You have to overachieve and obsess over your body image just to feel like everybody else, or even unique and important. And it takes a long time to feel like you fit in. You even develop new relationships with people and learn again that most people are good people and life is normal, but you're still gonna have reminders of that one evil person in amongst all those normal, good, trustworthy people. He's gonna intrude into your thoughts when you don't want him to, and you're gonna hate his picture, his name, and everything you associate with him is going to make you uncomfortable, even any short bald man who looks like Billy Joel, only less handsome. I'm not even sure I can consider Billy Joel handsome, because he looks so much like that guy in the face. I can't even look at the cover of my Billy Joel album without being reminded of him, even though I love his music.

As for dissociation, I've read that it's periods where you completely zone out and can't remember anything, because that is what a young child's mind would do if they were in the face of danger. I don't have that. Depersonalization sounds more fitting, like long periods of time where you don't feel like yourself and you're watching the world go by but you don't feel engaged in it and you can't feel the "spontaneity" of the present time. The therapist said some people describe it as watching the world go by as if being "under water," which I didn't exactly relate to, though.

There was also one point when I was telling the therapist about the conversation I'd had with my mom when I'd first suspected having ptsd, and how my mom had dismissed the idea, telling me that everyone goes through depression from time to time, and that as long as the teacher didn't sexually molest me, I should be fine. Sometimes I get nervous when attention is focused on me, so I mentioned halfway through telling the therapist this that I'd lost my train of thought, and she said, "That's common with ptsd."


She also said that the type of flashback where you zone out and literally relive the moment is very rare. Is that true?

And does she sound reliable? It was like she was saying I have full-blown ptsd because of my scores, my symptoms, and the details "abusive, bullying teacher at age 14." I mean, the symptoms I've been having are real and my concerns are real (I'm the only one inside my head, so I would know). And I don't wanna use all my rent money for a self esteem boost, because that's not what I'm looking for. Is it normal to have obsessive, intrusive and painful memories about a person and a place that you hate (not to mention the anxiety fear, worry and depression)?

I'm asking these questions because I really don't want ptsd, and I mean that with no offense to anyone here or the awful things you've been through because of evil sickos out there, and the fact that I'm genuinely confused and concerned.
 
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Everything you went through with that one teacher is horrible. Enduring the symptoms you have is very difficult as well. No one, including myself, is invalidating that.

But I refuse to enable your belief in a diagnosis that doesn't fit, and an attitude that won't help you get better.

Everything you describe fits better with depression, or another mood disorder. You could also have generalized anxiety or another disorder.

People with major depression without ptsd can have every single symptom you describe. Every single one.

I keep looking for any clues or signs of ptsd in what you describe, and I really don't see it.

Nothing about your experiences or your symptoms points to PTSD to me. My friends who don't have ptsd have nightmares. Often. Especially when stressed about normal life events like school and such. Derealization is a sign of serious depression. It can come with various mental health conditions other than ptsd. Your anger and mood changes could be soft bipolar or cyclothmia. Your obessive thinking about this one teacher could fit with a handful of mental health conditions. I don't know what is going on for you in terms of a diagnosis, but its not clear ptsd to me.

Everything you describe about your therapist makes it clear she did not do a full diagnostic work up. Whatsoever. Holy cow. She really set you up by how she asked her questions even. She had a hammer, and saw all your symptoms as a nail. She considered no other options. She did you a very serious disservice. I'm glad it was a free session - if it wasn't, I would have suggested you ask for your money back.

I continue to recommend you get a second opinion from someone who is willing to look at all options.It's your choice to do that or not.

Whatever the diagnosis is, CBT will likely be extremely beneficial for you and all the advice you have gotten on this thread and others, is still very good advice.

*** But here is my key point that I think you missed: Even if you have PTSD, it will also be helpful for you to learn to not let a diagnosis, any diagnosis, define you, your future, and everything you experience, in such a helpless and hopeless way, as you seem prone to do.***

Ironically, a pattern of learned helplessness is the only thing to me about you that seems to suggest traumatization. You do have that.

Part of using your money wisely is to be an informed and educated consumer who considers a proper process to make sure you are investing in a treatment that is done for the right diagnosis. CBT can be very helpful for various mental health disorders and symptoms.

Even if you have PTSD, a crap therapist who jumps to conclusions and a client who acts overly helpless is generally very detrimental to recovery or spending money wisely.

That's why I have tried to poor this out to you, along with many others. But it's up to you to see your helpless attitude and change it or not.

As far as your therapist, her definition of flashbacks isn't quite accurate. They are sort of rare, but people don't zone out. They act out. There are also intrusive memories which often are very much like flashbacks and extremely powerful. It's like re-living it, not just remembering it. For me, I have a flashback 1-2x a week where a sound makes me suddenly act like I'm in a traumatic event again. I don't zone out. It's not like just being spacey and remembering in your head of what happened - that's only how flashbacks work in the movies. Not real life.

I wish you the best on your journey.
 
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