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I Feel Like Others Do Not Give A D***n About My Feelings

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I have to wonder if your expectations of people are too high. Everyone is flawed, and some people are definitely flawed to the extent that it's better not to have them around. Not disputing that. Alongside it, is it possible that you might be setting too high a standard for other people to have to meet?

I'm struck by your descriptions of behaviour as gaslighting, for example:

I have a friend who is self destructing, and it is killing me watching her do it. Made a very clear statement how this was, and she started gaslighting me.

Gaslighting is a gradual, subtle, pervasive, accumulative process that is hard to detect while it's happening. Gaslighting takes time, months at least, and I'm not clear what the timescale is here. I can't help wondering if you are going a bit too quickly to a label for someone's reaction. Perhaps they have not reacted as you hoped. That doesn't necessarily mean it's gaslighting (it might, I don't know all the details, what I'm raising is a query).

I'm also very uncomfortable with your statement "Most cowards will flee like little b***ches when even gently confronted." I'm going to be very honest and say that this sounds a lot more reactive than considered. How can you be certain they are cowards, as opposed to people who aren't perfect and are human and - for whatever reason - feel taken aback and put on the spot? What exactly are these "little b****ches" that you're comparing them to? I'm not familiar with the idea of little b****ches running away, as a common comparison for things. And, probably most controversially, do you have a reality check for your confrontation being gentle? Is that a contradiction in terms? A discussion can be gentle. A disagreement can be gentle. A confrontation is a clash.

When you describe yourself as an "aspie" - I assume that means you have Asperger syndrome? Please tell me if that's a wrong assumption. Assuming it's correct, and I feel like I'm sticking my head above the parapet to be shot at here, would you be willing to read what I've written from the viewpoint of someone who doesn't have Asperger syndrome? What you wrote made me feel defensive and on guard. I feel like you might be moving in a very healthy, worthwhile direction of stating your needs and expecting decent treatment from people around you. I also feel it's possible that, as part of doing this, you might have swung a little bit towards the more extreme end of asserting yourself.

If so, I think this is a very usual way of addressing an inequality or injustice. When women were fighting to be given the vote in my country, they Initially chained themselves to railings and even threw themselves under race horses in the middle of a race (and died). Later, there came to be a more balanced co-operative approach. There was more discussion on common ground. In my view, the initial and more extreme action was needed. It shook things up and moved people away from how things were before. I also think that it was then necessary to move from that point to a much more collaborative, co-operative discussion. Personally, I think both those things were equally necessary for women to get the right to vote.

What I wonder is whether you have been in the first stage and now need to move into the second. Having shaken yourself and other people out of how things were before, is there a more collaborative (and accepting) way to discuss how to go forward in the future?
 
Growing up with abuse keeps one in a state of constant distress. We associate with like minded people because it feels normal. When we challenge this learnt behaviour, we realise that to be healthy, we need to be positive or realistic... We don't always know we are being negative ourselves because negativity was always around us and what one thinks is positive, may not be so!

What one says, may not be the same as another hears. What one thinks may not be the same as what they said (mixed thoughts coming out in ones sentence). There is always a positive and negative way to hear what someone says just as much as there is in saying it.

We who grew up around abuse, learn to be strong, even as much as we feel weak, we are more resilient than those who grew up with love and happiness, but was hit with sudden trauma. The one with the sudden trauma would have more trouble understanding what is happening to them than the one with long term abuse, which makes these people a lot more frightened and uncertain of themselves and what is happening to them.

A few years ago when my children were young. I couldn't tell the difference between when I was rational or e rational. In my mind what I was thinking seemed very normal even though it wasn't. I desperately needed to learn the boundary between the two behaviours. What I did was a big ask, from my daughter who was about thirteen at the time. I asked her to tell me when I was being e rational and why. Each time she told me I was stressing too much, I would look at myself and my actions to note the differences in my mind. My son who was about fifteen at the time started to follow suit and would also tell me when I was distressing (being e rational). After some months, I started to notice the differences in my thinking and became more rational more of the time and started to learn the boundaries to e rational behaviour in myself. Now that my children are twenty and twenty two, they both talk to me openly and honestly and have no fear of me becoming aggressive in my mannerism.

As for Maryiscontrary using Aspergers as an example, was quite good. Because processing someone else's thoughts and feelings, when your own mind is in turmoil, it is like Aspergers, from my experience. When we are trying to improve our own self worth, we do need to let go of those who hold us back. The hard part is the isolation and the feeling of being alone, which we go through as we try to leave one world per se' and enter a new one and be able to mix in with less negative or unhappy people. It doesn't mean that the people we are letting go, are evil, they are just too hard for us to deal with as we are trying to rebuild our own lives and unfortunately, as much as we like most of these people, they are not going to try to better themselves as much as you are yourself and you have to let them go or you won't move on! You don't need to feel what someone else is feeling to be empathetic, we only need to be understanding of the others feelings and needs.
 
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It's not just you. A lot of us have to do that and it isn't easy. But, it's also something we have to do.

This is what I've done but I don't expect anyone to do the same. I have a hard time just giving up on others. So while I really doubt that I'll ever talk to certain people again, I haven't told them to go to hell or anything. I just stopped the contact, drifted away. I did unfriend a couple from facebook, but that's mostly because I got really tired of seeing their hate posts.

Sometimes people change with age and they may become a decent person later in life. I hope anyway.
 
Oh, guy thank you so much. You are amazing. I mean, you really made my day. All of the feedback is so wonderful. Thank you so much. I realize I made some strong statements. I am just trying to break free of this victim mindset, and the horrid flashbacks and dissociation. I have read where it is so important to have a cohesive narrative to the traumas.

I suppose I did swing far the other way, as I was so repressed before. Thanks so much for your kind feedback.
 
I grew up with two narcissists. I can spot one at 100 yards. I am basing my opinion on your thoughts of superiority. And, your response further indicates the narc trait of taking no responsibility for ones actions. You can't even own your own thoughts.

It's one thing to get rid of toxic people. It's another to say that everyone over the age of 30 has a personality disorder or addiction (while you don't). Such flawed reasoning. I wish you could see that. But alas...
 
Again solara, you are entitled to you opinion. And I can spot a narcissist now that I know what to look for. I am sorry to upset you, but my experience is that most people are extremely toxic to me right now. You, as I say, are completely entitled to you feelings. But this is my reality and if I am going to have to break out of this, I have to have some boundaries and standards. From my standpoint, at this time, most people are toxic, especially ones that have live though a little life. I am 41 by the way. I may not feel this way in the future, but I MUST be very, very careful of the company I keep right now.
 
Aspie is a term for autism spectrum individual. There are all kinds. If you want to know more about it you must read Attwood & Grey's criteria for aspie discovery.

I think that aspie qualities heavily intersect with the intellectual-self state of mind that develops in complex PTSD. I am far more astonished by the aspie personalities now that I am very acquainted with complex PTSD.

What led me toward the discovery was a very intense identification with aspies on the wrong planet and aspiesCentral communities. They are born with incredibly unique talents. No two are alike. The flaw is the fact that aspie personality has in the past been called a disorder, only being viewed through the scope of difficulties and challenges, when in fact it is a completely differently wired brain.
 
Thanks for touching base. For me it is sensory integration. That seems to be the core of it, and causes a lot of dissociation. This for me, is separate from the huge amount of trauma exposed to, which causes a second set of problems. Wrong planet is a great community, and they have no problems with expressing huge amounts of emotional empathy, just cognitive empathy, otherwise known as "perspective taking", seems to be stunted.
 
It was this year that I actually broke down and bawled when I realized that most people, if not all that I know personally, have little to no empathy. I have no idea why it took 36 years to figure that one out, or maybe 36 years to accept it. But seriously, I would feel like a personal attack at the lack of caring on other people's parts. It's like the bad man does bad things, but the worse man stands and watches.. and that's how I viewed these people. It blew my mind in the worst way. I don't have the most faith in people in general, but it was validating to hear that there are other people that see this.
 
Dear jenfa,
You put such good words to your experience that I am floored, and I feel validated. These words describe my experience accurately and I would be stretched to find the words to describe it myself. I had the existential crisis and break down over the same thing.

I find what looks to me to be a lot of cowardice in others, a lack of true grit. lack of Stepping up to the plate type of people. This disappointment is behind the tacky comment I made at the top of the thread, which I shouldn't have made. Just so sad and disappointed.

I want to tell you a boundary I made with the help of my therapist. If I follow the principles of non violent communication at the times I need to express my feelings, on a topic, and the other person is no responsive or hostile, I will double efforts and try at my end to make myself heard in a calm manner. If THAT doesn't work, then I draw a boundary immediately.

If a person cannot respond to another persons needs, even process or hear them, then the person has issues with processing empathy. And is likely spells trouble for the person trying to express empathy themselves. I draw a boundary right then.
 
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