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I have an intense (triggered) fear of drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

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@Kas_Can_Fly and @pintobean126 this is just a thought, and please disregard it if you don't relate.

Reading your posts, I can't help seeing some similarities to my obsessive fears about safety which take the form of checking locks. I actually have this to the point of obsessive compulsive disorder, and while it's understandable that I want to check things are locked, it isn't "understandable" the extent to which I obsess over it.

The way I see it is a need to control my environment in order to feel safe, but I can never feel safe enough, so I can never control enough, so the controlling has escalated and now has a life of its own.

Kas, I see the "life of it's own" thing particularly because I've experienced trauma that could have resulted in the same sorts of fears and aversions about addiction as you have, but I don't feel the same way. I have a passionate dislike of people thinking drugs aren't really serious, dangerous or harmful, and I'm scared of anyone whose behaviour is affected by drugs, but for me that doesn't expand to things like social drinking or smoking.

I can't help wondering if this is the mind trying to identify what's dangerous in order to feel safe. Still not feeling safe, it tries to identify the danger in more things... but still isn't safe so it tries to identify more... and so on. The thing is, safety doesn't come from identifying all the dangerous things in the world.

For me and the lock-checking, focussing on the symptom (the locks, the checking) absolutely doesn't work. I have to focus on the cause, which is no longer trauma-related but has become my mind getting distorted by anxiety. I've had to work to identify what's real and what's anxiety, and to focus on staying connected to what's real. I need to see that I could equally be obsessed with cracks in the pavement. It seems different, because there's a trauma-related reason for it to be about locks. Also because there's a level where it's sensible for everyone to check locks. But it actually isn't different at all. It isn't triggered by trauma or sensible safety precautions any more. It's gone beyond those reasons and is now pure anxiety. That's how I need to look at it and address it, even though it might seem to be something else.

As I said, this might not be you at all. It's just how I see things happening for myself.
 
@Hashi

I can relate in a way. I have some obsessive tendencies, as many anxiety-prone people do. I think it is about control and stability and feeling safe. I feel thrown off balance when I know someone is under the influence, even if he or she doesn't necessarily show it, because I feel like the substance has kind of inserted chaos into the situation. The idea of people who mean something to me behaving or thinking somehow differently because of a chemical reaction is terrifying. It reaches into my comfort zone and turns it inside out. Social anxiety aggravates (or causes? Can't tell. ) the situation because my ability to feel comfortable around people is already tenuous.

Thank you for including me in your response. The idea of my brain trying to identify danger is definitely interesting.
 
Glad I found this thread.

You're ok. Alcohol was a part of my trauma so I empathize.

I can't stand being around people who are drinking. They don't have the capacity to see things from my point of view. They are limited in this regard. They don't know the horrors of being a small child living with an out of control alcoholic. Most don't know how bad a panic attack is, let alone waking up from a dead sleep in a full blown attack (as in no warning, no ramping up of symptoms). That is, the night after I've had half of a Corona.

I hate to sound condescending, but honestly I think it's sad that I know so many people who MUST drink in order to have a good time. I think it's sad that they find happiness in a bottle when the world holds millions of adventures that are infinitely more exciting than any drug.

Then again, they don't know just how good they've got it. I've spent SO much time with my mind messed up due to PTSD that I crave a fully substance free life with a clear, balanced mind. So many people take this for granted and throw it away.

My goal is to find sober people and keep the substance users at a distance. Hard, but I can do it. I recently learned a friend who was strictly sober picked up drinking. Never around me, but it could explain the change in his demeanor that I noticed a few months ago. My heart broke just a bit when I found out. :(
 
@Hashi, maybe some of it is obsessive, I know a fair amount of what I think is, however it isn't an irrational fear. It's a fear of others lack of judgement. I'm scared of all social interaction anyway, add in alcohol/drugs and it messes with my knowledge of what is and isn't likely to happpen. It adds variables to my mix, many of which I can't possibly predict. That's more hypervigilance if anything and needing to be in control of my surroundings. Sure it's to know if I'm safe or not, but too many people see social drinking as a means to get completely wasted on a regular basis.

The friends I have had through life who have socially taken alcohol, fought all the time, got pregnant from bad and sometimes abusive relationships. The people I haven't had as friends who I've seen drinking, have all been abusive, even the ones I didn't know - neighbours and their guests etc - tried breaking in with intent to steal (what idiot announces this outside the open window of their victim?!), were performing sexual acts outside of my window, threatened violence etc, etc.

I hate to sound condescending, but honestly I think it's sad that I know so many people who MUST drink in order to have a good time.
Plus I agree with this statement entirely, for alcohol and drugs. I recognise being scared of this is possibly unnecessary, but it most certainly isn't a desirable trait in any relationship for me.

Smoking is the one that shouldn't be so much of an issue, but every time I was raped started with my dad and his mates smoking a few, then moving on to pot. I remember being trapped in a cloud of smoke so thick, I felt as if I were choking before the pot started. It was casual, social, fun and should have been harmless, but it ended in me being raped and tortured and drugged. My dad shouldn't have done that, he never did anything when he wasn't stoned or drunk. Ever.

For me nothing is safe, but I'm not triggered by most things, in fact, I'm not actually triggered by much - which I'm actually really relieved about. To make matters worse, I didn't have issues with people for years until my mum's more recent ex, stood over me red in the face, screaming, fists clenched and risen, because I disagreed non-confrontationally to something he said negatively about my mum. Coincidentally he was a smoker and pot smoker too.

I don't like these habits, I find it unattractive and negative with out all the related abusive memories. With them, they are my most recognisable trigger, even the smell of old smoke overpowered by car-fresheners is still enough to make me lose touch, although, this is almost certainly fuelled by obsession. I don't know if it's irrational, but I don't see why it's wrong and I don't want to stop thinking that way - it's the truth and I know it - blindly, I know it's over the top, but I don't know if I actually care.

Thanks for your input, it's certainly given me more to think about. :)
 
Hi Kas! :)

There seem to be two issues here. One is if you need to feel ashamed for your feelings and two in what way can you make your life easier socially.

First thing is no shame is deserved in any way!

It might be worthwhile starting by separating things into two camps. One has drug addicts, alcoholics and those who are drunk. The other has those who drink moderately and socially, smoke or drink coffee and tea.

There is no reason on earth why you should expect yourself to change for the first group. There is certainly no reason for you to feel ashamed of any of your reactions.

What would be helpful for you is to slowly start finding your way through your reactions to the second group. For your sake. You know very well in your mind that smoking cigarettes never caused anyone to harm anyone and neither has coffee cause any harm. Finding people who never drink coffee, tea or ever any alcohol at all and don't smoke cigarettes is going to be tricky and upsetting for you.

I think its worth considering what Hashi said in this context. Alternatively it could just be that the trigger has leaked and become very widespread. I am not a great CBT person but I think it could be useful to break down your fear of these in a CBT way and then treat it as exposures. You wouldn't have to get to a place where you like people doing any of these. I detest smoking with a passion for example. You only need to get to a point where it doesn't cause you distress or fear and that the judgements can be contained enough not to interfere with your life.

I am very very sorry for what happened to you. Your father is unspeakable.
 
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I don't mean to argue, even if that is all one part my brain wants to do (to a fault, no matter what is being said, it's really quite childish). But you should have seen him when he didn't have coffee for a day, or the time where he did have coffee, but no one had realised it was decaf. He was screaming, shaking, being violent and aggressive, he had the shakes, he seemed like he was having some form of heart-attack or stroke - all because of caffeine withdrawal?!!!

It's not just in other people, but my fear is that people will want me to do it too. I'm scared of drinking coffee/smoking/drinking etc in my self, I think this may be a sudden realisation: I am scared that by being around others, I will be either made to, or will feel obligated in some way to keep up appearances and will have loss of judgement and/or horrible withdrawal effects.

Also I think I'm too scared to confront it. It's too scary, I don't know how and I can't rationally lower my fear of this unless I see that it's safe, but I don't go out, I don't have friends (the only friend I have is tee-total - an ex-alcoholic - oddly I'm ok with him and always have been), I am scared of social interaction so massively that is a bigger thing to get past first, but it seems the two work against me. I could never meet a person at a bar for any kind of relationship.

smoking cigarettes never caused anyone to harm
Except the cancer, lung & cardiovascular disease etc. But again my head is just going "No, I won't listen, it's all lies, it's all a trick, it's terrible, it's horrible, you shouldn't need to change your opinions, they abused you, they did it, so could anyone else and so would you if you had those things in your system."

I know I don't have an issue with people who drink caffeine in moderation, less with tea, more with coffee. A cup or two a day fine, three or four, meh, more and combining it with energy drinks, I start freaking. I only see negatives in it, for example one sister drinks many cups of coffee (3-5 a day) and tea (2 a day) and she's had problems with her health and in my mind they have all been caused by the coffee - in all fairness, that isn't unlikely - stomach problems and kidney problems are likely related - she's 19, she's also had related insomnia, anxiety and depressive issues but in her mind, it couldn't be the coffee. She never had any of these issues beforehand and whilst it might not be related, it seems stupid to overlook the possibility. She has cut back a little, but if it creeps up, so do my worries. But mostly I'm ok with caffeine.

The smoking is an issue, the smell, the idea, the health risks, the social side of it - it scares me, also in my mind it often leads on to cannabis use. The drinking mostly doesn't scare me, except in those who are extremely drunk and a little wariness around those in social situations because of related connotations sexually. Drugs however are a no, that I don't see why I should change my opinion to them and they scare me - even legal doctor medications concern me, but out of the legality - it's rule breaking, it's wrong, it's bad for you - I don't get that, the only way that could be an issue for me is by limiting friends (totally ok with not having junkie friends) and not being able to join in on group therapy.

Sorry if I seem confrontational, I can assure you I'm not, I think I'm working through it in my mind, but I need to go over it again and again for it to start sinking in.
 
Was in the middle of something! What I meant is that the important part is to work it through in your mind. If you say "oh OK" when you are feeling "grrr and I am not convinced" then you won't get anywhere. So good for you for saying how you feel.

I still hope you find a way through it. Not the drugs group a but the group b stuff. I don't think how it affects someone's health is relevant in this for you. You can be very anti somethings health effects and disagree with it without it making you feel unsafe, threatened or unable to trust the person in general terms. Everyone I have ever met has some sort of vice. I think yours is a bit of an addiction to computer games and a bit of self harm isn't it? ;) The opinion stuff is fine and you don't have to get rid of that. What you would benefit reducing is the fear response and feelings that the person can't be trusted with anything. For group B that is. Drugs are a bit different. Plenty of people don't do drugs so if you work on the rest it will help your ability to socialise and feel safer.
 
Just wanted to add that I do the computer game stuff and SH as well just in case you thought I was judging Kas. Not judging at all and totally trust that you will figure out what is best for you. You are the only you there is.
 
That's ok :) I didn't think you were, I only read it this morning, I didn't get (or missed) the notification for some reason. I haven't done much gaming in the last 3 or so years, and none in the last year, though I still feel very defensive about it being used to judge a persons character and still consider myself a gamer - I just haven't had the energy to play anything, I've started playing a very non-challenging game this week and although not "real" gaming, it's nice. And the SH, well yeah I know, though I haven't the more down I've been, I don't know if that's good or bad, both I suppose, but yes, it's not good, I know that :). I have started new meds a few days ago.
 
I find any kind of drug use, addiction or substance abuse horrifically terrifying. Just the thought...
Reading this brought me a lot of peace knowing that I'm not alone in feeling like this. Similarly I have a overpowering fear of drugs and am easily upset by even the casual usage of drugs and alcohol. I often feel so alone in this and have noticed it greatly affected my social life. I can feel it ruining relationships of mine and it's so frustrating because I can't stop feeling anxious and sick at even the mention of drugs. I always thought that I was the only person who felt this way, and maybe you have as well, but it's nice knowing that I'm not alone.
 
I find any kind of drug use, addiction or substance abuse horrifically terrifying. Just the thought...
I have the same problem i cry just thinking about it i've had this problem since i was in middle school i am now in 9th grade a main trigger for me is heroin just the thought of it makes me squirm and i feel like anyone who has done it should stay the f*ck away from me to be honest ...i feel like anybody that has died from a overdose is out to kill me and inject me with it i dont know why i feel this way i need help
 
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