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Is EMDR A Cure?

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Hi,

EMDR worked for me (with multiple trauma) but I think my therapist was very skillful at it (like a surgeon). Most importantly, she is a very experienced trauma therapist. The problem with trauma is that it is almost an endless cycle - the original trauma is traumatic, the symptoms of PTSD are traumatic, the therapy can to a degree be traumatic. I have just been full blown and I am traumatised by that on top of all the other stuff.

Like Dylan, EMDR helped me to stop being symptomatic though I am still hypervigilant, am startled easily and continue to work things through with regular psychotherapy.

When I first read that PTSD had no cure - I was shocked and perhaps needed to be. Now (like Mina) I prefer to think that PTSD is like cancer - it never goes away, but with treatment it can be put into remission. A survivor has to commit to and make the changes needed to survive. That means understanding the PTSD and being pro-active about change.

dust
 
I am new here, but could not help but add to this post.

As an RN I can assure you, EMDR, brain spotting, horse whispering, etc... all have absolutely no medical basis, despite the somatic responses it might achieve. Anything can work that you believe works even though you're still sick. However, faith must be present for even proven treatments to work.

Personally, I was first treated with this by a social worker in 1998 who had just made this startling breakthrough discovery, by tapping on my knees. Being molested as a child, it didn't work, so I was labeled resistive and a problematic client.

I have had several other attempts using this under various other practitioners insistence and complied despite my personal unwillingness, simply to keep the therapist happy thinking they were helping.
The last time this was tried on me was close to 3 years ago with the latest social worker rage 'Brain Spotting', or an expansion of the EMDR wonder by starring at a pre-focused center of anxiety spot on the wall while the sounds revolve.
Being sexually molested when I was young, I simply can not stand the distraction, and refuse this to be done to me anymore.

Last consideration, insurance carriers don't really care what you and your therapist do behind their closed door, but there is no way a provider can bill and be reimbursed for non-medical EMDR treatments. It has to be billed as couch time or whatever creative means they can think of.

Sorry for the negativity, but I have had too much therapeutic trauma not to respond. I need therapy to get over my therapy.
Tom S. in Tn.
 
I want to thank you all for your invaluable points of view, opinions and comments.
I was pretty disbelieving to be honest, and am glad you have backed me up in a way.
I think the description of a cancer that can be put into remission is something to head towards. I now appreciate the fact that it will only be another tool, which hopefully, will help in the way he copes with his PTSD.
The scary thing right now is that he is probably in the best place he has been in the last 2 1/2 years and I am so worried that they will screw him up again. Although he says that because he is in the best place, now is the right time to do it.
Well, I can only go by what he says feels right and back him up.

Fingers crossed, and thanks again

RR xxxx
 
Hi rubyred

I've only just read this post & was wondering how your sufferer is doing with EMDR.

I started this therapy 4 weeks ago with mixed results. The first session focused specifically on one image from my trauma & the three weeks following were horrendous as I seemed to go back through every emotion & symptom I've had for the last three years, my psychologist says that I was re traumatised by it. I went into the session knowing that this might happen as she had advised me to take meds which would enable me to deal with the anxiety this treatment causes, at that time couldn't face taking them on top of everything else. I had another session yesterday to explore something that was worrying me to anxiety levels & have to say it has restored my faith in this therapy. The reprocessing that occurs after the session has been useful in making face up to the past & put it into perspective instead of me only acknowledging the fear in everything. I am trying to keep a positive attitude to EMDR, as nhs services for ptsd are poor my area (no EMDR available) I'm having to pay privately & after doing some intensive research feel that is the best chance of a sustained recovery.

I hope your sufferer is finding some benefit from the therapy it's very hard work but what have we got to lose.
 
I finally went back to see my therapist yesterday, and we tried out a little bit of EMDR. She put these two buzzy things in my hands, and had a dial with which she could fiddle with the intensity and the speed of the buzzing (each one alternated buzzing). She told me to try to picture my "happy place," which we decided was the garden I've been working on recently. She turned the thing on, and I closed my eyes, and I could kinda feel them move, but as much as I tried to picture my happy place, I kept getting these images of Mike (my molester/ex). After a few minutes we stopped.

The back of my head started hurting, and then I kinda got this weird dizzy feeling -- not like vertigo or like you're dehydrated, it's...different. Anyway, that feeling went away after a minute but the back of my head still hurt for a while after I left. On the bright side, for the rest of the day I was in a really good mood, but today I woke up with my chest tight again. Sigh.
 
I am also doing EMDR very slowly.

I have a similar experience to you Yumeko........head splitting, body stuff........some days I come home and the next day I'm so sore because my body stiffened up so tightly.

I haven't delved into anything too serious, mostly because I don't have all my memories. I think that, for me, EMDR is a 'slow burn' effect and after several months, you feel better able to deal with any kind of memory of the trauma. It slowly tends to dissapate the distressing feelings...........
I'm not sure, but I'm thinking that is how it is working. I'm going to keep it up.........I think it may be helpful and I'm willing to try anything.
 
I'm doing intesnsive EMDR, bilateral audio and brain spotting work in conjunction with psychotherapy. I got lucky with a therapist who is at the forefront in the field and quite skilled in these techniques. After three months of intensive work, I'm noticing a marked difference.

At the beginning of my doctor patient relationship with her, she also used the language of "cure." After coming here and reading, I was skeptical. But this does not change how much progress I have made with these therapies. Something does happen in these procedures. It's quite remarkable. But it is at the edge of our understanding of the nervous system and this still is very much the "alchemical" stage of this sort of treatment. As others above have already asserted with both good and bad accounts, it really depends upon the doctor or therapists skill and hand.

I hope your sufferer gets similar results. It is important to give yourself over to the process. And yes my symptoms got worse before getting better. Best wishes to you and yours!
 
EMDR has helped me. I'm horrified to hear the stories of how it has hurt some of you. I know what a session can be like and the thought of it not having a good outcome, well, that's just scary. I'm sorry for all of you who were hurt by it. However, my story is different.

I've suffered from depression most of my life and after a major depression I started seeing a therapist who happened to know EMDR. This was before the major trauma that caused my PTSD. We worked together using EMDR. As for my traumatic childhood memories (divorce, abandonment, and others) that used to haunt me keeping me at a nearly constant depressive state, they are no longer haunting me. I still remember them but they don't trigger me to cry or hate myself.

Years later, I am assaulted and this leads to PTSD. I started seeing a therapist who just so happened to know EMDR as well. I was excited, it was like a blessing from God. I knew how EMDR worked and how much better my life became. Well, turns out I'm terrified of doing it now because these memories are very graphic and life-threatening. I still believe in it tho and have expressed this to her. She gently persuades me but never forces me to do it. It is painful but the whole time she reminds me that I'm safe, he's in prison, and I'm safe in her office where no one can hurt me. This helps a lot because sometimes I want to run out of the room like a fight or flight response, lol. She also expresses time and time again that there are no rules or guidelines that I need to follow. There are no expectations on me. This is also very important because if I were to think that I must visualize exactly what happened to me then I would likely be re-traumatized.

The brain knows when to protect you and during EMDR, just before he strangles me, the image will usually shift or almost pause. Once, I even laughed out loud because he kept trying to choke me but had no power, no strength, couldn't hurt me a bit. I pictured him getting so angry and frustrated and even in my vision I was laughing right in his face. Now that WAS very healing. My disturbance level (asked prior to the session and again afterwords) went from the highest, a 10, to a 7. That was just one session and for the first time since the assault, my intrusive thoughts had dropped in numbers. I was thinking less and less about the assault!

I don't believe there is a cure for the chemical changes in the brain that result in life threatening traumas, known as PTSD, but maybe it's possible for the brain to change again closer to it's original state. I do believe that even a changed brain can learn new tricks. EMDR is a tool, a great one when used properly by a specially licensed therapist (you must have a license to preform EMDR as it can have devastating results when done improperly). With each EMDR session, my life is noticeably better. I have less nightmares or none at all, I have less intrusive thoughts, I trigger less and am less effected by them.

I still have a long way to go but I believe healing thru talk therapy, guided imagery, positive affirmations, journaling, and some medications is drastically sped up by EMDR. EMDR will not reverse PTSD but it will help to make the memories just memories instead of constant reminders that I'm in danger.

Both my therapists suggested I research it before I use it so you are right to do a full investigation. In my research, the people who downplayed it the most were professionals who hadn't actually preformed EMDR or even sat in on a session. Anyone with a painful memory can benefit from EMDR not just PTSD'ers. I also use it when other issues come up, like before my deposition with the defence attorney, issues with facing my mother (she triggers me), and any up coming event that I'm afraid of.

Cure is not a word that is thrown around loosely for PTSD so that may be a red flag with his particular therapist. Check his credentials, how many clients has he had with PTSD, how much does he understand PTSD, and the length of time he has been using EMDR. Find out if he is keeping up to date with the latest techniques and ask him to explain to you step by step how he performs an EMDR session. It should match the one you can find here on this site www.emdr.com/briefdes.htm Take a good look at this site, especially under General Information and Frequently Asked Questions. They also have a lot of statistical data and very specific information on research findings.

I wish you the best! God Bless!
 
I want to add that it's very important that the therapist performing EMDR must replace the negative thought with a positive one. I may have cried, I may be exhausted or a little shaken after a drastic session of EMDR but I never leave afraid. My sessions always end with some type of positive reinforcement leaving me feeling more confident in myself.

I guess I have a well trained therapist. She has never used the word cure, nor has she ever forced any type of therapy on me. She listens to my concerns, we discuss them and I make the final decision. If I need to stop, we stop. I truly hope he gets the same quality of treatment that I feel I'm receiving.

Again, do your homework on this therapist. You have legal rights (or his patients do) to know his educational and statistical background.
 
RubyRed said:
My sufferer has just been told that the EMDR programme his doc is about to start him on will cure him and that he has had a 100% success rate.

Is this a load of bull?:dontknow:

Will my sufferer ever be "cured"?:dontknow:

Or is it just another coping method?:dontknow:
There is no such thing as a cure for PTSD. If a person is misdiagnosed, and in fact has acute stress disorder instead of PTSD (which have similar criteria for diagnosis witht the main difference that one doesn't include a physiological change within your brain) then EMDR will heal a person of their traumatic memories and the person will get on with life. If a person actually does have PTSD, then there is no scientic cure at this stage. It is treated with therapy (EMDR, CBT, etc) and medication, but cannot be cured.

I would honestly be quite hesitant on seeing a physician who tells lies about what a treatment can do from the beginning. Dr Shapiro is the creator of EMDR, and not even she will say it is a cure for PTSD, but instead it helps to process memories and with therapy will hopefully lessen negative effects on the individuals life. Yes, EMDR is an effective treatment, as is CBT and many other treatments, though none are a cure for PTSD.
 
Hi Ruby Red,

Although I identify myself mostly as a carer, I can share that I have undergone some EMDR from some childhood trauma and it really did help me process some of those memories. In essence it helped me get unstuck. Additionally, I am involved with a person who has been diagnosed with complex PTSD and has undergone EMDR and it has seemingly helped him. That is in conjunction with other therapy and many other tools though.

What I personally found with EMDR is that it left me feeling utterly drained and almost in a state of shock for 24-48 hours afterward. I realized that going to see my regular therapist after EMDR was necessary. I thought EMDR was one of the hardest most difficult kind of therapies I'd ever experienced. I would ache physically and emotionally afterward.

My experience with it both for myself and as an observation with my partner is that is seemed to help, but certainly is not a cure in any way.

My thoughts go out to you. There's hope to be found, but alas, I haven't found anyone to say that there is a miracle cure to PTSD.

Shoka
 
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