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Is Emdr Contraindicated When You're Still Struggling With Occasional Si?

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I think I've mostly overcome the SI crap. A week ago, I emailed my T asking about who to talk to for EMDR, but when I saw him today, he didn't give me any information. To be fair, I forgot to ask him, too. But I was wondering if perhaps he decided I wasn't ready yet, since I experienced a brief episode of SI again today, during the session?

I can ask him about it when I see him again, but I'm curious about whether EMDR is safe enough if SI is still coming up from time to time?
 
I just talked about this with my psychologist today. She said that exposure therapy (and I assume, emdr) shouldn't be done with active Self injury. DBT first, then tackle the PTSD with EMDR. Parts of DBT can be used for PTSD.

I'm sleepy so I may have not said that the most eloquently.
 
Emdr stopped me cutting. Can't explain it but I received so much relief from it, I wasn't needing the outlet. This was nearly 20 years ago when the technique wasn't as honed but it helped stop si quickly.

Oh and ptsd wasn't readily handed out then so I was diagnosed as depressed.

Talk to your T. A skilled practioner can guide your through activation quicker than traditional cognitive talk therapy. That's the miracle that is emdr
 
I think I've mostly overcome the SI crap. A week ago, I emailed my T asking about who to talk to for...

As long as you do enough resourcing in Phase 2, EMDR is not contraindicated.

One of the initial EMDR therapy phases (Phase 2) involves preparing for memory processing or desensitization (memory processing or desensitization - phases 3-6 - is often what is referred to as "EMDR" which is actually an 8-phase method of psychotherapy). In this phase resources are "front-loaded" so that you have a "floor" or "container" to help with processing the really hard stuff, as well as creating strategies if you're triggered in everyday life. In Phase 2 you learn a lot of great coping strategies and self-soothing techniques which you can use during EMDR processing or anytime you feel the need.


In phase 2 you learn how to access a “Safe or Calm Place” which you can use at ANY TIME during EMDR processing (or on your own) if it feels scary, or too emotional, too intense. One of the key assets of EMDR therapy is that YOU, the client, are in control NOW, even though you weren’t in the past, during traumatic events, or whatever disturbance(s) on which you’re working. You NEVER need re-live an experience or go into great detail, ever! You NEVER need to go through the entire memory. YOU can decide to keep the lights (or the alternating sounds and/or tactile pulsars, or the waving hand, or any method of bilateral stimulation that feels okay to you) going, or stop them, whichever helps titrate – measure and adjust the balance or “dose“ of the processing. During EMDR processing there are regular “breaks” and you can control when and how many but the therapist should be stopping the bilateral stimulation every 25-50 passes of the lights to ask you to take a deep breath and say just a bit of what you’re noticing, anything different, any changes. (The stimulation should not be kept on continuously, because there are specific procedures that need to be followed to process the memory). The breaks help keep a “foot in the present” while you’re processing the past. Again, and I can’t say this enough, YOU ARE IN CHARGE so YOU can make the process tolerable. And your therapist should be experienced in the EMDR therapy techniques that help make it the gentlest and safest way to detoxify bad life experiences and build resources.


Grounding exercises are essential. You can use some of the techniques in Dr. Shapiro's new book "Getting Past Your Past: Take Control of Your Life with Self-Help Techniques from EMDR." Dr. Shapiro is the founder/creator of EMDR but all the proceeds from the book go to two charities: the EMDR Humanitarian Assistance Program and the EMDR Research Foundation). The book is an easy read, helps you understand what's "pushing" your feelings and behavior, helps you connect the dots from past experiences to current life. Also gives lots of really helpful ways that are used during EMDR therapy to calm disturbing thoughts and feelings.


Pacing and dosing are critically important. So if you ever feel that EMDR processing is too intense then it might be time to go back over all the resources that should be used both IN session and BETWEEN sessions.


As a recently retired psychologist, I used EMDR therapy as my primary psychotherapy treatment and I've also personally had EMDR therapy for anxiety, panic, grief, and “small t” trauma. As a client, EMDR worked extremely well and also really fast. As an EMDR therapist, and in my (now retired) role as a facilitator who trained other therapists in EMDR therapy (certified by the EMDR International Association and trained by the EMDR Institute, both of which I strongly recommend in an EMDR therapist) I have used EMDR therapy successfully with panic disorders, PTSD, anxiety, depression, grief, body image, phobias, distressing memories, bad dreams, and many other problems. It's a very gentle method with no significant "down-side" so that in the hands of a professional EMDR therapist, there should be no freak-outs or worsening of day-to-day functioning.
 
I don't know either. From my experience with EMDR, i appreciate your T caution.

It has been helpful to hear how EMDR has helped others. The response to EMDR seems so individual, combined with the skills of the practitioner, etc. it makes me want to look up the predictive factors for therapeutic response.
 
Hola Patti Levin, that was extremely informative. Is it possible does that also apply to self injury, specifically EMDR. I made that assumption in my first post but stand to be corrected.

Thanks
 
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