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Is Weird Stuff Really Stuck In My Psoas Muscle?

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@Springer80 The massage sort of floodgate is too scary! I had a massage a few years ago and was really high afterwards, like I felt AMAZING! And then, rather abruptly, I woke up at 3am and wanted to kill myself!! I found hotline numbers and left a message for my doctor and went in the next day.

I wish I could have a story unfold. It's either not going to happen or it's just all jumbled up. I like that you could create a name for yours. My upper back pain is definitely a sort of stress and trigger mess. I can have teeth removed and not be too bothered. But the tension in my upper back puts me on edge. And versus like a lower leg cramp that I just deal with and notice as part of my leg, my upper back feels like it's almost a separate, disconnected part of me...like a rabid monkey I really can't toss off my back!
 
thank you too @Springer80 (just saw we posted at the same time)... I've been to several therapists to treat separate symptoms (eating disorder, depression, etc) and my last therapist, before SE/trauma actually asked me if I might have ADHD. Ummm, probably?! She seemed somehow threatened by my weird energy, so I started sitting on my hands. Instead of giving up I found a different therapist, and the body focus is much more validating.

I agree, it's helpful to know this stuff is real...and nice to think it will continue to be better understood and as this nervous system, vagus nerve stuff and trauma gets more research and attention. On top of my problems and self-hatred, I had to sustain so much just feeling fundamentally f+cked up. Shame on shame on shame and one therapist said, "you're smart and you're talented, so why are you like this?" (Self-destructive). That just made me feel so much more lost...I never went back and avoided therapy for a couple years. I just wanted to not be such a puzzle! I wanted someone to NOT make me feel more stupid and selfish for wanting to destroy myself, but help me somehow heal. Now I understand it won't happen as fast as I want, but I feel more hopeful and less like I'm fundamentally a wrecked human being. It really matters that someone else simply "gets it" and that it's not all my fault...
 
It's either not going to happen or it's just all jumbled up.

It will. I believe it will. I think it's just that the pain is so much for you at the moment it's like super compressed. So tight it won't let you in. You notice how I mentioned a tent made of marble, well marble is a very hard thing and it is created by compression. And tent's are held in place with spikes that drive in. And those points where on my back and in my body. Two years earlier when I gone to the chiropractors I'd drawn where they were on a rough diagram of my back.

But you can't have a solid tent. So my therapist said why a tent and I said because someone is inside!

I never realised the symbology of this stuff at the time. It all sounds so strange.
 
I have phases where my imagination is absolutely out of commission, but having metaphors and symbols is very helpful. It doesn't always work to understand this stuff in concrete ways. Yet the idea of "freeze" makes a good metaphor, too, because that's what the tension feels like...like I will either crack (pull a muscle or burn myself or something otherwise unhelpful) or find a way to carefully melt this back into my body.
 
I've been to several therapists to treat separate symptoms (eating disorder, depression, etc) and my last therapist, before SE/trauma actually asked me if I might have ADHD. Ummm, probably?!

Oh Lord, so have I. So have most people on here I think. I'd back off the ADHD suggesting therapist. Last thing you need is someone pinning another label on you. I mean, yeah sure, you probably do look like you have ADHD when your rubbing your feet together fast enough to start a fire!

On top of my problems and self- hatred, I had to sustain so much just feeling fundamentally f+cked up. Shame on shame on shame and one therapist said, "you're smart and you're talented, so why are you like this?" (Self-destructive). That just made me feel so much more lost...I never went back and avoided therapy for a couple years..I wanted someone to NOT make me feel more stupid and selfish for wanting to destroy myself,...

but I feel more hopeful and less like I'm fundamentally a wrecked human being. It really matters that someone else simply "gets it" and that it's not all my fault...

This pisses me off. People assume that the brain and the mind are the same thing. But your mind is a construct based on the concepts surrounding the higher functions of the brain. If your lizard brain is overwhelmed then free will doesn't come into it. Your not a screw up. I swear to God (I'm atheist though :confused::giggle:) that this did more to damage me then the 6 1/2 years of abuse I went through.


the body focus is much more validating

Totally.
 
I have phases where my imagination is absolutely out of commission, but having metaphors and symbols is very helpful

I didn't make the story up, I described the pain and then emotions from using metaphors. I like design/architecture so my therapist asked me to describe it using a language I was good at using descriptively. The prairie bit was because the girl inside was a scruffy feral thing that was mad as hell and wearing a dress she didn't like. Like Pippi Long Stocking crossed with a Tasmanian devil's mood. :rolleyes::D:laugh:
 
I wish I could have a story unfold. It's either not going to happen or it's just all jumbled up.
It will, eventually, when all the parts of you are willing and ready. My "story" is so jumbled up it feels incomprehensible, and parts of me absolutely do not believe what other parts of me are telling me happened. But, it's coming out a little at a time. It has really helped to listen to my body, like it is a part of me, and what it has to tell me. And I am learning to listen to some really young parts of me as if they were somebody else too. It helps a lot to hear other people like you and springer80 talk specifically about your experiences. It helps me feel like what I'm going through is real.

I guess I do have emotions, but the range is weird....like, stunted, and I think that's exactly what I'm trying to work through. In therapy I can feel frozen in my body and frozen in feeling (like I become a blank)...and I feel like I'm about 5 or 6 in those feelings. I don't have many specific memories, so lots of it might be related simply terror. Anyway, it's hard to navigate the slightly blank space without all feeling disappearing completely. Once in a while I have tears, or want to someone how connect with my therapist by just touching her arm super light, or hold a stuffed animal.
I'm learning just how frozen and disconnected I've been all my life despite being outwardly functional/successful. I pretty much suppressed and repressed most of my life before my 20s. I only have tears once in a while. When I do, it is sometimes a great relief, but other times turns into something more intense that triggers me back into the blank or self-doubting states. My therapist asks me to ask my parts what they're afraid of...the answer is always "annihilation" or "disappearing" or "being ripped apart" or "being consumed." So there's lots of terror in me. I'm at least aware of that now. I wish more than anything that my therapist could just hold me and convince me I'm here and I'm safe. I'm one of those people desperate for comfort and being taken care of but terrified to trust in it, or even ask for it, at the same time. It's a miserable place to be.

Interestingly before this stage as I was getting exhausted but still feeling propelled I cut a lot of things out of my life. Things which weren't emotionally true for me and so took a lot of effort. So as my body got more messed up I was subconsciously making decisions that were bringing me closer to the epicentre of my trauma.
This is what has been happening to me! My therapist keeps encouraging me to slow down even more.

Once I has crashed and was off work I found that I would sit on the floor. I felt little and the scale of my living room felt wrong. I had to be on the floor, often wrapped in a blanket. I also had a stuffed animal and I also used a spare duvet and pillows as a sort of life sized stuffed person.
I have this now, often. I don't have a stuffed animal, but I do the blanket and pillow thing. I imagine being held by someone safe. It is very comforting. When I'm in these parts, I'm mostly very young--3 or 4 years old. Sometimes an infant. I never know if it's better to indulge these parts (when there's a choice) or to push out of it and try to get re-grounded in my current self. This is kind of what I work on in my therapy sessions.

And I absolutely nailed to the spot of being a vulnerable 5 year old. I did not have the energy for anything else, my body totally prohibited it.
When I get into certain states (it happened this morning and last night), I'm stuck in them until they pass and I kind of emerge into a different place. When I'm in them, I cannot seem to move off the bed or the floor. My mind is somewhat present, but my body won't go.

The massage sort of floodgate is too scary! I had a massage a few years ago and was really high afterwards, like I felt AMAZING! And then, rather abruptly, I woke up at 3am and wanted to kill myself!!
. This high to me too, except it was with my first cranial-sacral session. I've had several massive "highs" from this and one time a complete relief from pain for several hours. Then I crash. Much of the crash is some suicidal ideation and occasional bouts of minor self-harming that I'm usually able to get myself out of, thankfully. It sounds like you had a really severe experience.

Thank you both for sharing all this. I'm in such a vulnerable and transitional phase right now, and both my family and my therapist are away for two weeks so I'm by myself dealing with all this and newly emerging memories. It's actually somewhat easier without the need to be "on" for my family, but I wish my therapist were around. There's nobody, really, I can call if I get stuck in a really bad place. I mean, he gave me another therapist's number but I can't imagine calling a stranger. And I guess there's an emergency services place nearby, but that scares me too. And I'm not harming, just cycing between these really difficult little-kid places and then hating myself for not being more functional. Blah blah blah. Anyway, thank you! I hope I haven't hijacked the thread too much with all my own stuff. I will stop now.
 
Yes, I meant imagination in the form of symbolism and pulling language and descriptive words from any source, not simply what is concrete (not the making stuff up version). Super helpful. Often, if I'm really going to understand something, my best chances seem to come after being able to describe something however it works. And it can get a little crazy. Even when I'm not serious but need to describe intensity...like telling my therapist I wanted to cut out my uterus with a butter knife, which was also somewhat related to some nightmares. You're big on the dream stuff, too @Springer80 ...I do think those are helpful messages. I more have to stay really open-minded and semi-detached to make use of any bad dreams at this point. But it helps that they are all in symbol, like rarely something that could have really happened (I'm pretty sure I didn't really see five people get murdered...but there were relevant symbols and alarms there...)
 
My therapist asks me to ask my parts what they're afraid of...the answer is always "annihilation" or "disappearing" or "being ripped apart" or "being consumed." So there's lots of terror in me. I'm at least aware of that now. I wish more than anything that my therapist could just hold me and convince me I'm here and I'm safe. I'm one of those people desperate for comfort and being taken care of but terrified to trust in it, or even ask for it, at the same time. It's a miserable place to be.

I relate to a lot of that, especially "disappearing". I have some serious self-and-other permanency problems! And that's probably connected to wanting connection but really not trusting it...and yes, miserable. I don't like that you feel this, too, but it helps to know I'm not alone. And NO you didn't hijack...I really appreciate your participating in it because I do feel isolated with this weird stuff and a big part of me trying to get better is getting beyond my ideas of being alone in my own universe, and fundamentally f*cked up and not fully human. Thank you for sharing @Hope4Now ...hope you can hang in there while your therapist and family is gone. Keep posted. Helps me too (feel like I've been checking back here for a couple hours, but it really is helpful because I felt like I was flipping into an alternate universe last night and really I'm just me and today will be okay).
 
Often, if I'm really going to understand something, my best chances seem to come after being able to describe something however it works. And it can get a little crazy. Even when I'm not serious but need to describe intensity...like telling my therapist I wanted to cut out my uterus with a butter knife, which was also somewhat related to some nightmares.
I'm smiling (compassionately mostly, but also selfishly because your example just totally validated an ongoing and upsetting thing that's happened to me). First, I want to say that I am the same way in terms of thinking metaphorically @Chava and @Springer80. It seems to be the only way I can even begin to understand or express the chaos and intensity inside me. I have so many metaphors going they even confuse me--because they never really quite capture the experience. I've shared some of them with my therapist. Some I'm trying to write about in essays and stories (I'm supposed to be a writer, but I've been blocked up for a long time. Have only managed to write for work, and even that has been tough going). Sometimes I feel like writing about it is just obsessive compulsive and puts me into deeper disconnection from my experience, but other times it frees up something in my brain and gives me new insights.

I don't remember many of my dreams--they've only just started emerging into consciousness occasionally in the past few months. All hideous nightmares filled with obvious symbolism, but with almost no emotion attached other than kind of shock. I'm trying to write about those, too, so I remember and don't push them aside (which I tend to do and convince myself it never happened).

Second, I'll tell you a story. I hope it doesn't trigger you. I'm hoping, because you gave the example about the butter knife, that it won't trigger you but maybe make you feel validated? You can decide whether you want to read on from here.

I have these weird kind of vision-y things that happen to me. They're kind of like waking dreams...definitely not real in the literal sense, but very real in that they happen. They often precede different kinds of fragmented memories (bits and pieces of voices, and emotions, and visuals, and sensory experiences). It has been happening to me since the first weird experience with cranial-sacral therapy. In one of them, all my exiled young child parts (and there are lots of them) were freaking out and trying to kill themselves. The one child part that I've spent the most time with in therapy, used a knife to cut out her whole abdomen and then tried to hide from me. It flipped me out but, as usual, I just slogged through using my imagination to calm everything down.

This happened about two days before my son, a 17-year old actor and director, directed a show called Gruesome Playground Injuries (by Rajiv Joseph) that I went to see. It's about two childhood friends who bond through the years over their self-imposed injuries. The girl ends up in a psychiatric hospital after she tries to cut out her stomach (it's implied that she has been sexually abused). Yikes, if ever I had to disconnect from my own self, it was watching that play. The synchronicities were deeply disturbing. Not long after that, just after a therapy session that sent me into a really, really vulnerable place, this same child part (about 3 or 4 years old) appeared to explode in her middle with all sorts of hideous stuff emerging. That required several desperate calls to my therapist over the next few days, in which I asked him to call me, then couldn't actually talk to him on the phone. Eventually it settled down. Then about a month ago, I had a flashback in which I did some visible "damage" to my own abdomen...left myself with a whole bunch of nasty scratches and bruises and a clear memory of something I kept saying over and over again. Since then, in therapy, we've slowed way, way down and are working with some other parts that aren't child ones. That's been helpful, but all the child stuff keeps overwhelming me.

Anyway, one of the points I wanted to make with all this rambling story is that when I can stay in some sense of my self, and just see what's happening, and believe it's true, and feel compassionate to those parts, and not get overwhelmed by it (all way easier said than done), magically, my pain dissipates some. Along with my therapist, we've figured out that the sacral pain is, for me, all the fear--from back then and fear of experiencing the pain now. And the head/neck/jaw pain and terrible tension is from my attempts to deny and escape all of it.
 
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