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For any spouses reading that have ever sat watching your mate having an "episode" with no clue what to do, Kim and I have found one thing that does seem to work, or at least lesson the severity of the outbreak. I must admit, thought, it is probably the hardest thing to do, especially when the outburst is being directed at you.

In between the name calling and ducking flying objects, get in real close and wrap your arms around them. If they push away, hold on tighter, and just "be there" for them. I won't say this will work for everyone, and maybe it won't work for anyone else, but it does for us. During several of Kim's depressed/remorseful moments that always followed her outbursts, she would comment that she felt so alone, and that holding her would have made her feel so much better. Doing this does seem to relieve some of the more severe aspects of the outbreak, and even kept her from escalating further.

Again, I don't know if this will help, but it's something that has proven successful for us.

Warren
 
Warren, thank you for that idea!
I couldn't imagine how hard it would be for my partner to get close enough to hug me during a "rage".

What my partner has started doing...
is remaining completely calm while I'm freaking.
As soon as the sh*t starts hitting the fan (not literally of course, lol)
He sits down/stands there and watches me, not reacting to my "outburst"
Just let's me blow up

Sometimes this works... and I calm myself down before it anything gets broken/said/thrown.
Maybe it's the fact that I can't get a reaction from him... I don't know...

Even when this doesn't calm me... he doesn't react when I do something erratic
(ex: punch the wall, dump the contents of my purse on the floor, etc.)
He doesn't ask me what the hell I'm doing, or tell me to stop.
He just sits there and waits till the storm has passed.

And after I've settled... he always comes up and hugs me.
My shaking body literally holds onto him for support.

All I know.. is the amount of freak-outs has definatly decreased...
due to this forum? my partner? me? I don't know...
but somethings working
 
All I know.. is the amount of freak-outs has definitely decreased...
due to this forum? my partner? me? I don't know...
but somethings working

Y&A, (hope you don't mind me getting informal!)

I'll wager that it's a bit of each of them.

Sounds like you have one gem of a mate yourself! To stand there and not react while an event paramount to a nuclear meltdown is going on in front of you takes an incredible amount of self-restraint and determination. Sounds like he and I have come to a similar revelation, "My gal is worth it!" :smile:

I'm glad to hear that things are on the decrease for you. Are you a member of any local sit-down support group? After seeing how well Kim has responded to chatting with fellow sufferers of PTSD on line, I have begun looking for one close to home. Too bad everyone on this site is so spread out! What a get-together that would be.

Keep up the good work, and give your man a big hug when you see him next. He deserves it!

Warren
 
Kim's Man said:
Too bad everyone on this site is so spread out! What a get-together that would be.

Mate, don't worry, that thought crossed my mind long ago, and I have plans to initiate a little global get together at some point.
 
Kim's Man said:
During those times when a sufferer of PTSD is acting out, yelling or being destructive, what is going through your mind?

I guess what I would like to know is, when acting out, are you looking at the spouse and seeing the original offender? Or is it more a, "I want you to hurt and suffer the same way I am!" type of thing? And during a destructive phase, when items are being broken, is there no feeling of consequences of your actions? If an item of significant worth is being destroyed, does it cross your mind that there will be financial reprecussions (the cost of repair/replacement) due to your actions?

Anthony, I'm not saying you fit any of the above.

Mate,

I used to fit this mould when my PTSD was undiagnosed and I had no idea why I did the things I did, and when diagnosed, not knowing what to do about this disorder. I am as guilty as the next, no doubt at all, and would be a liar to say otherwise.

Our anger and hostility is generally aimed at the person who is closest too us, that normally being our spouse. Why? Because they happen to be the person in the immediate vicinity, but more importantly, they happen to be the person we also deep down trust, and are really throwing out a cry for help to them. Spouses will often only see the hostile side of what we say, which is certainly no fault of their own, because we are all only human after all. We have a bond with our spouse, we have a trust, we have an understanding, generally which we just bring out the wrong way to the person we love the most.

We don't perceive the spouse as the offender, just merely the person we want help from, but really don't understand nor comprehend what is going on within us, to really give a clear question to ask our spouse so they can support us. Instead everything comes out in confusion, anger and hostility, all of which will only confuse our spouses and put them on the defending foot. We certainly don't want you to suffer the same as we do, instead the opposite, we want you to help, but we just don't know how to ask the specifics, because we often don't understand it ourselves. The spouse is generally just left confused, with no idea what we really want, nor knowing what to do.

We definately vent our anger at the wrong person near every time.

If something is detroyed during rage, no, we don't see the right and wrong aspects of what we are doing at that time, though we do see them afterwards, though that just creates more anger from our sheer stupidity of being destructive in the first place. Its like being in a revolving door. Our brain acts, and blocks out everything sensible at the time, which then creates more anger within us.

The actual anger though is not created, but more we can't identify the emotions within each facet of our PTSD, confusion is an emotion, and this comes out as anger, hostility or rage, instead of calmly discussing the emotion when it occured, we bottle it, process it, sit on it, and stew until we the pot explodes. Definately the wrong way to do things, and certainly not normal, but it is a consequence of PTSD unfortunately. Not just an excuse.

The facts are though, is that a sufferer needs to be made aware of these actions, they need to be discussed as an emotion, before they reach anger, and these are points that every sufferer must come to terms with if they want to actively get themselves better.

It is often hard to break a cycle of motions, though PTSD is a motion, and it must be broken by the sufferer. It is no different from growing up in an abusive household, where more often than not, the siblings will then become abusive themselves, where only a slight few will break the cycle, break the chain, and better themselves so that type of life is no more. PTSD is the same, and we must bite our pride and break the chain in order to recover, in order to get back our relationship, but also the spouse / family members / friends must do the same, and help the sufferer break the chain, and be accepting that the hurt is in the past, and that all parties now only move forward with a near future, near attitudes, new direction, but together as one, not with constant fear of relapse.

Sorry about the delay on replying to this Warren... I get a little busy at times, and often need to rest myself so my own PTSD doesn't get the better of me. Hope that helps a little.
 
Warren,

Anthony was right, he used to and as a result 'we' used to get into some really nasty business. It was hurtful, mean and just plain nasty. I never really understood and I am a stubborn character so I would usually give right back what he gave to me. What fools we were. We joke now that neighbours on both sides of one house we lived in moved out to get away from the fighting. Sure we slip up sometimes now but thankfully it is almost always over before it escalates. How did we manage this? We started working on our own rubbish. I don't have PTSD but I do have childhood trauma that has impacted on me my whole life and every relationship that I have had. I think we all have stuff to a larger or lesser degree that needs work - not a one of us is perfect. I am actively working my stuff now and have been for sometime..........it has made a difference to my perception on things but it has also allowed me the personal growth and sight to just get the hell out of the way sometimes. Sometimes you are just never going to win when someone is in a PTSD tirade and for Anthony and I, the best thing that I can do is retreat. I used think that this meant defeat but in fact it is a way of getting rid of some of the heat and allowing both of you to retain some dignity. Besides we have a little one in the house now and I think that we both feel it is much more important for his mental health to try and act like responsible, albeit pissed off adults. Much more dignity and less hurt on both sides. I have also found that telling 'straight up' if he is being a pain in the ass helps - not always but then Anthony does not like bs. A lemon is a lemon whichever way you look at it. No good sugar coating anything for Anthony.
 
Episodes

Can anyone describe these epsiodes more...especially.....are there certain personalities that set you off? I don't want to be the one that "sets off" my husband who suffers from PTSD...I don't want to be the problem and I feel like I am sometimes..unknowingly saying the wrong things.
 
desert4now,

Its like this, doesn't matter what you do. When he is being critical it will always be your fault. I used to always be to blame for putting Anthony in a 'mood'. Never mind if he had hardly seen me all day. I just tell him to pull his head in now. Really, you can contribute to upsetting someone's day but you can't be responsible for how they feel or choose to behave. Its a choice to be angry and nasty, same as it is to be nice and loving. Sure, those with PTSD have a lower stress threshold but you can only compensate for that so much.

Description of an 'episode' varies from person to person I imagine. Usually anger, usually some sort of verbal dialogue, sometimes throwing things (hey I used to do that and I don't even have PTSD), often emotional disengagement and social withdrawal. Try not to fall into the pattern of walking on eggshells, it gets very hard emotionally. Straight up works best for us (Anthony and I) and I suggest with a military background it will also for your partner.
 
Can anyone describe these epsiodes more...

Hey Desert4now,

Welcome! It's nice to have other spouses on here to chat with, and relate to. Here you will find plenty of answers, ideas, and a general feeling of togetherness. It is so cool finding out you are not the only one going through the things you are experiencing.

As for your inquiry into descriptions of episodes, Kerri-Ann couldn't have been more right when whe said that they vary from person to person. They even vary among the same person! My wife has been triggered by financial issues, the state of the house, me not taking a specified day off, the kids not following through on a chore. There is not a specific topic or event that will do it, and thus causes the "walking on egg shells" syndrome.
 
Ooops...

Sorry, but I accidentally filed the other post before I was finished!!

Anyway, I was talking about the "walking on eggshell" syndrome. This is truly no way to go through your day. You begin experiencing chills every time your spouse walks into the room. Instead, be yourself, do what you know to be right, and if an episode begins, start experimenting with ways to quell it as soon as possible. I've mentioned in another post where Kim and I have found that during an outbreak, one of the best things (if not the hardest) for me to do is to get in nice and close, and give her the biggest hug I can muster. When she tries to push away, I just hold on tighter, and soon she is moved from the destructive part of the episode into the remorseful part.

I hope you read something on these posts that will help you and your husband. No one deserves to go through life experiencing these outburst, from either side of it!

Just remember, you are not alone! 'Til next time, Warren
 
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