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Its Kismet...He has pain from multiple back surgeries and implants, but it has amazingly also helped his PTSD symptoms. SEE studies of OVER 700 vets under Dr. Karen Seal, San Diego, Veterans Administration who is finding same to be true for SOME physically injuried and PTSD vets.(co-morbidities). But, again, this is not about suggesting that anyone here try it, it is about those ALREADY on it and all of a sudden being denied coverage after years of prior coverage. Wow...looks like you were one of my first thread exchanges in here back in 2011 when his condition was MUCH MUCH worse. Lots of factors have gone into his improvement of course, but years of traditional opiates, for HIM, was a death spiral.
 
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You would think with all the conspiracy theories in here that Russians are soon to invade or being abducted by aliens is a more plausible.scenario than having been there, done that and on my fifth rodeo, etc. Ultimately, I thought I could help someone who is in like boat to perhaps make some headway with their insurer IF on this med and then uncereminiously denied after years of use. Sorry that use of the English language proves to be some.kind of trigger for conspiracy theorists...sad when you cant simply have the courtesy to leave consumption to the discretion of the viewer and put down the victim torch for two hot seconds.and accept some empowerment. How will anyone here ever learn to put down our walls and accept help...if not from someone in the same f'ed up, co-morbid sufferring cycle, then who?
 
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People need to stop with all the conspiracy theory nonsense. The member is merely posting about helping their spouse get past an appeal in order to continue access to a specific med used for pain, which many with PTSD experience as a result of their PTSD / trauma. Pain does not need to be a symptom of PTSD, it is a symptom of trauma, trauma causes PTSD.

Members need to stop attacking ideas and issues that others experience, yet may not be understood by them, or experienced by them. There are lots of people here who experience pain as a result of their trauma, as a considerable impact on their daily living, let alone with PTSD.

Please get perspective on trauma and PTSD, beyond your limited sight.
 
Respectively, I can see from subsequent posts that the original post was misinterpreted and that @Fembot is rightfully upset by the responses, mine included after putting in such hard work. I will be the first to apologize for that. I do respect the time and effort you put in and I am sorry your attempt to share your hard work was so poorly received.

To be fair though, without the knowledge that you were a paralegal, which you mentioned after I posted, the wording did come off in the same manner as people who post online to promote drugs. This isn't a conspiracy theory, it actually happens. At least in the United States pharmaceutical companies put out job ads to hire people to post such things on social media. I have also seen it around. However, unlike you they usually post and then move on to the next site. So yes, it is a thing. It makes more sense in the context that you are a paralegal.

As for Suboxone, I have done my own research, not intensively though, when looking for a way to get off my ambien that I have been on for 13 years. I encountered little to no positive about the drug, but plenty of horror stories, so my alarm bells went off right away at the mention of the drug. Not once did I read about Suboxne being used to treat pain, only as a treatment for people who were addicted to pain pills.

@anthony Noted and agree, but I think it was more, at least on my end, due to misinterpreting the OP and not realizing exactly what the OP was saying about how the drug was used. Thank you for the clarification.
 
Fadeaway...thank you so much for reaching out! I will share the research soon (the NE is in midst of bad electrical storms right now, and I am posting from my cell phone at present.) The research revealed.quite a.bit of interesting info. And, again, its not.for everybody/everybody's body chemistry is different. But ultimately, I just want to share the independent research I did as, shockingly, it ended up winning our apppeal.
 
Uhm, we ARE.

The OP is pretty much saying that Suboxone is being used to treat PTSD. Uhm, no, its not. It is being used to treat the PAIN that HEIGHTENS the SYMPTOMS.

Nobody has their head up their ass. People are reactive because the OP isn't being clear about much of anything.

I stand by what I said.

And OP, if your partner didn't have pain, there is NO chance in HELL that he would have been approved for Suboxone.

So lets break it down. PTSD alone? No Suboxone. Pain and PTSD? Suboxone is possible. Pain alone? Suboxone is possible. The common denominator is PAIN, not PTSD!

The day they start prescribing suboxone for PTSD is the day I deny I ever had this bloody disorder b/c it will make us all look like we're a bunch of strung out drug addicts. Of which I am not.
 
Nobody has their head up their ass.
We'll agree to disagree, though those are your words, not mine. The OP has been very clear actually, and your interpretation of words not written is the issue, not the OP's posting. So using your words, I would very much say your head is up your arse because you cannot read what is written without going off on some tangent of aggressive, attacking bullshit against another member here. It's wearing thin on me, let me tell you.

The member clearly stated:
for those facing denials for off script use of S U B O X O N E for pain management and lessening of Complex PTSD symptoms.
this has been the only RX that has worked for effectively lessening physical pain arising from injuries and assisting with progress in spouse's psych therapy
Its not about suggesting you or anyone else for that matter START using it if you are not already on it.
He has pain from multiple back surgeries and implants, but it has amazingly also helped his PTSD symptoms.
it is about those ALREADY on it and all of a sudden being denied coverage after years of prior coverage.
SGB has been proven not an effective treatment for PTSD, being a pain management treatment, yet many who endured heightened pain which exacerbated, maybe even created PTSD like symptoms, found great relief from all symptoms upon lowering their daily pain threshold in order to just think and breathe without agonising pain. This lead research towards whether it was actually a PTSD treatment, or treating the pain which exacerbated the symptoms to begin with.

Pain management treatments have been effective for some in helping reduce PTSD symptoms, because their symptoms that are heightened, may not necessarily ever have been that high without the aid of the additional pain.

@itsKismet, I would say your head is exactly up your backside, because you can't read what is written without misinterpretation and then regurgitating your misinterpreted view as though factually what a poster wrote.
 
Here is the substantive part of the appeal (skipping lead and end/wrap paragraphs as they contain history and private information).... Now for the necessary stuff....if you use this, do NOT plagiarize and reword to meet your situation/use only what may apply to you. In ALL circumstances, your use is voluntary and predicated upon your pledge to conduct your own research and is now and forever used at your own risk or benefit. Thus you assume responsibility for choosing to incorporate any of this medical research data into any appeal. Terms of use are binding upon your heirs and assigns:

Summarily, in patient/policy holder handbook insurer holds out either FDA approval based on treatment intended for a specified medical diagnosis (in this case, a pharmaceutical treatment OR recognition in clinical study or a review article in a “major” peer reviewed professional journal such that the efficacy of Buprenorphine/Suboxone is demonstrative, over time, in the health outcomes of the study participants and that benefits outweigh effects. Please accept the following scholarly data found in response to same:

1. Johnson RE, Fudula PJ, Payne R. Buprenorphine: Considerations for Pain Management. J Pain Symptom Manage. 2005; 29(3):297-326. Rolley E. Johnson, Ph. D., Behavioral Pharmacology Research Department, Johns Hopkins University, and in the forefront of matters of Buprenorphine studies in pain management says to his fellow practitioners in way of peer journaling: “Buprenorphine, is a partial mu-opioid agonist which has been in clinical use for over 25 years, and has been found to be amenable to new formulation technology based on its physiochemical and pharmacological profile”.

2. In Europe, Buprenorphine (in transdermal form) has been approved for the treatment of chronic pain (e.g., Griessinger, Sittl, & Likar, 2005; Sittl, 2005).

3. The off-label use of sublingual buprenorphine tablets to treat chronic pain has been described in two clinical reports, one describing its use in a series of chronic pain patients who were responding poorly to other opioid analgesics (Malinoff et al., 2005) See “Sublingual Buprenorphine is Effective in the Treatment of Chronic Pain Syndrome – Am J Ther. 2005 Sep-Oct.12(5):379-84”, abstract as follows:

“Many patients with chronic pain have less than optimal therapeutic outcomes after prolonged treatment with opiate analgesics. Worsening of pain perception, functional capacity, and mood often result. Medical detoxification is often undertaken in this situation. Ninety-five consecutive patients (49 men and 46 women; age range, 26-84) with chronic noncancer pain (maldynia) were referred by local pain clinics for detox-ification from long-term opiate analgesic (LTOA) therapy. All patients had failed treatment as manifest by increasing pain levels, worsening functional capacity, and, in 8%, the emergence of opiate addiction. Length of prior LTOA therapy ranged from 1.5 to 27 years (mean, 8.8 years). After a minimum of 12 hours of abstinence from all opiate analgesics, patients were given low doses of sublingual (SL) buprenorphine or buprenorphine/ naloxone (Reckitt Benckiser). Maintenance dosing was individualized to treat chronic pain. Daily SL dose of buprenorphine ranged from 4 to 16 mg (mean, 8 mg) in divided doses. Mean duration of treatment is 8.8 months (range, 2.4-16.6 months). At clinic appointments, patients were assessed for pain reports, functional capacity, and mood inventory. Eighty-six percent of patients experienced moderate to substantial relief of pain accompanied by both improved mood and functioning. Patient and family satisfaction was robust. Only 6 patients discontinued therapy secondary to side effects and/or exacerbation of pain. In this open-label study, SL buprenorphine and buprenorphine/naloxone were well tolerated and safe and appeared to be effective in the treatment of chronic pain patients refractory to LTOA.

and the other describing the response of patients with both pain and addiction (Heit & Gourlay, 2008 Clinical Journal of Pain wherein it is noted that Buprenorphine is known for its “off-label” use for “both acute and chronic pain”).

In both of these reports, the authors reported that their patients were successfully treated with Buprenorphine, with resultant pain relief and improved mood and functioning.

4. In a similar manner, two earlier publications describe the open-label use of the parenteral formulation of Buprenorphine administered sublingually to treat patients with chronic pain (Adriaensen, Mattelaer, & Vanmeenen, 1985; Nasar, McLeavy, & Knox, 1986). Both studies reported good analgesia and low incidence or time-limited unwanted side effects.

5. There is also evidence from several preclinical studies and one study with human subjects that, in contrast to pure mu-agonists, Buprenorphine exerts a lasting anti-hyperalgesic effect (Hans, 2007; Koppert, et al., 2005).

6. Published case report of improvement in PTSD symptoms when Buprenorphine was used. Danovitch, 2009.

7. 717 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans with PTSD and chronic pain, who switched from opioid to Buprenorphine therapy had significantly improved PTSD and pain symptom severity scores compared to controls who remained on moderately high-dose opioid therapy pursuant to the preliminary data of Dr. Karen Seal, et al. Additionally, Dr. Seal said that VA database searches revealed “signal of significant improvement in co-morbid PTSD patients” that were converted from traditional opioids to buprenorphine in comparison to a control group that remained on moderately high dose opioids at fifty morphine equivalents a day or more was referred to in continuing research.

Perhaps of poignant interest to insurer should be the study which supports total cost effectiveness despite the increased pharmacological costs of Buprenorphine (over that of traditional, opioids) via the marked lowering of related health services (to include inpatient, outpatient and Emergency room charges) pertaining to Buprenorphine-medication assisted therapy (B-MAT) adherent patients, resulting in an total average health care cost increase of per patient of over $20,000 when the insurance company (in this cited study, Aetna) denied B-MAT therapy based on the linear models therein compiled.
See, J Subst Abuse Treat., 2014 Apr; 46(4):456-62. doi: 10.1016/ j.jsat.2013.10.014. E-publication 2013 Nov 12 as found on NCBI –US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health at PUBMed.gov.
 
As of the end of February, a new bup medication has BEEN FDA APPROVED for pain management (in case anyone wants to look it up). Its BELBUCA. This is the ONLY bup based medication with has been FDA approved for pain management. Medicare wont pay for it, while private plans will (so much for parity between Medicare and private plans).
 
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As a chronic pain patient with an internal morphine pump, I've never seen Suboxone prescribed for pain but for an opioid addiction to come off pain meds. Also, once the Dr prescribes it (at least here in Florida) they will never be prescribed a pain med again.

And yes, you become addicted to it instead of the pain med. Ive heard it helps pain a little bit but not as well as normal pain meds. I dont know, Ive never taken it.

Just wanted to advise the normal reason Suboxone is prescribed. Its like methadone for a herione addict. Same concept.

This may have been the orginal reason for the insurence denial, as its not seen as a pain med but a med to come off a pain med addiction. I think it would depend on how its coded.

Like, my insurence payed to put my pain pump in and all adjustments but not to fill the pain pump, which is 100% needed or else there's no reason to have it. It was coded wrong and costing me around $200 each fill which was once a month for a while until the concentration was changed.

Codes mean everything to insurence.
 
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