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Lobotomy / Leucotomy In Britain

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Does anyone know roughly when British quacks finally stopped committing this barbaric crime?

Or how far it was perpetrated?

I remember vague stories of a writer in New Zealand finding out that he'd had it done to him as a child.


Reason I'm asking

I was born in the mid 1960s

I know that the family quack when I was a child, was willing to recommend barbaric and by then out-dated treatments, genital mutilation for one, doping me to hell for ear nose and throat infections for another.

I know that my mother was very susceptible to accepting without question the pronouncements of what she saw as “authority” figures, like the quack.

My mother was also highly critical that I didn't sit still and keep quiet like other people's children. As a small baby I was apparently very demanding.

I have a small hole through the side of my skull, about an inch above the corner of my left eye socket. It goes through into my brain cavity. I worked that much out in my teens. There isn't a noticeable scar associated with it, but then, I don't tend to scar much.

Before now, I'd never really questioned how it got there.

The thought of it being inflicted, rather than some childhood accident, had never occurred – it was far too drastic, no one would do a thing like that. Would they?

The past year has been like me becoming a character in one of Philip K Dick's novels – wtf was my past? It certainly wasn't what I had previously assumed that it was, and I've learned that some people do indeed do all sorts of things to others, and do them with a perfectly clear conscience.

One of my ex's was a PhD level cognitive psychologist. She asked several times whether I had suffered injury / damage to my frontal lobes. I didn't take her questions particularly seriously at the time.

It is ?jokingly asserted that some kids today are having their behaviour controlled by the pharmaceutical equivalent of a lobotomy. Were children in the 60s and 70s controlled by actual lobotomies?

If so, could I have been one of them?

And if that is the possible, how the hell would I go about finding out?
 
It is still an available form of treatment in the UK, although since the early 80s it has been a requirement that you are over 18 and able to consent to it. It is referred to as psychosurgery or neurosurgery.

So I'm afraid it is possible. But would it not be in your medical notes?
 
Thanks Purplemunchkin,

There's a chance that if it was done, it will be in my medical notes. Quacks really don't seem to have had any sense of shame.

I'm going to have a good think about how I proceed. Part of me wants to confront my old mother - I don't think I could ask the question in an emotionally detached manner. Another part says that she's an old woman and I shouldn't go wrecking my present relationship with her over something that might not even have happened, or that she perhaps might not even have had knowledge of.

Christ I feel wierd! the idea of lobotomy has always freaked me out (as does the idea of genital mutilation, and I know that that really did happen to me).

I need this like a hole in the head - which, strangely enough I have...
 
I don't know if it helps, but there were a lot of people who truly believed it was a good treatment (at the time), and the 'ice-pick' method was developed to make it more accessible to those who couldn't afford the surgical approach. (I do agree with you though, that it all seems rather barbaric.)

I would start with the medical records, or just a chat with a sympathetic GP (if you have one). They may spot something in your records that would explain the hole - whether that confirms or allays your concerns.

Not things I expect you to answer here; did your mother know about the mutilation, and was she complicit? Has she ever given you an explanation (one that she believes is acceptable, rather than as excuse)? If she won't engage or accept responsibility for that, then maybe there is no point discussing this with her.

As for upsetting your current relationship, well only you know whether an attempted discussion is more important for you.

Good luck.
 
It goes through into my brain cavity. I worked that much out in my teens.
Just curious - how do you know it goes through to your brain cavity?

This looks like a tough subject to research easily - but from what I'm gathering, by the 1960s there was a spectrum of methods/approaches for psychosurgery, but the initial method (the side of the skull location that you are describing) was fairly out of favor/use. Doesn't mean it wasn't being used, just that it had been replaced by a few other locations, the transorbital (through the eye) being probably the most well-known.
 
Thanks guys, I'm feeling a lot calmer now.
I 've spoken briefly to the ex who suspected that I had frontal lobe injuries, hoping to have a full conversation with her tonight.

I would start with the medical records, or just a chat with a sympathetic GP (if you have one). They may spot something in your records that would explain the hole - whether that confirms or allays your concerns.
I have never met the GP I'm registered with now, and I generally find difficulty itn warming to quacks. Perhaps it is time to see what this one is like.
Not things I expect you to answer here; did your mother know about the mutilation, and was she complicit? Has she ever given you an explanation (one that she believes is acceptable, rather than as excuse)? If she won't engage or accept responsibility for that, then maybe there is no point discussing this with her.
Both of my grandfathers, her brother and my father were all done - it had been a medical fashion in the English speaking world. some of the debates from the late 19th and early 20th centuries are quite open about the post millenialist religious reasons for wanting people mutilated, it was thought to lessen "sin" and bring the day of judgement closer. The supposed "medical" benefits can be assessed by the complete absense of the procedure for anything other than minority religious reasons from the equally or more medically advanced remainder of western Europe.

A few years back she showed me a magazine article, discussing the problems including psychological ones, associated with mutilation, and as good as apologised to me. prior to that she had no idea that it was anything other than "just a bit of skin", and I don't think most quacks did either.

It strikes me that my mum has always appeared to be very eager to get the approval of people whom she sees as "authority figures", and to follow their words without question. Clearly, I don't yet know why I have a hole in my skull, but I have little doubt that if a quack had told my mother that whatever he intended to destroy was causing problems, and was useless, she'd go allong with it. She and I really do have polar opposite world views.

Just curious - how do you know it goes through to your brain cavity?

If I compress my spinal column, the area over the hole bulges with the pressure, but no other part of my head does, showing that it connects through to my cerebro-spinal fluid.
 
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I was freaked out when I read about lobotomy its a sinister situation I know in ww2 and afterwards there were a lot of government experiments on prisoners of war using labnotomy and other terrible things - worst I have seen is the Russian sleep project it's awful ! This site has loads of info Beforeitsnews.
Do you ever recall it happening sometrimes I think if youh have a suspicion you're always right that it happends?
 
Thanks Jade,
I don't know what happened. I m a lot less freaked out now than I was when I started the thread.

I spoke to my ex at length, she couldn't remember the comments about frontal lobe damage. I also managed to trigger her demons, that week was our anniversary.

On that Friday I got made redundant from work, so got something more immediate to think about.

Realistically, I'm very "left brain" nerdy rational and spatial. Verbal too. Which suggests that if it did occur, it was relatively minor.

The things which happened in the 20th century and no doubt continue now... At least 225,000,000 murdered by government, outside of wartime...

Yeah, I've seen pictures of the political prisoners with their brains exposed for those experiments. Edvins Snori's documentary, "Soviet story" briefly covers it,
I forget the name of the Portuguese psychiatrist and politician who received a Nobel prize for inventing the lobotomy. A pissed off lobotomised man, shot and killed him. Two wrongs never make a right, but it is justice of a sort.

Take care
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