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depressedjenn

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Does anyone get nervous around men? Every time I see a man I look at them and think could they be a molester.....could they be the kind of man who would hurt someone. Since my dad molested me I look at men different...even though its been years and years since this happened to me, I still have the same thoughts. Everytime I see a man it brings back memories when i was a child. I all the time wonder how it would feel to be just a normal person and feel the love for a father. I will never know what that will feel like, I can only imagine. I see some fathers out in public givng their daughters a kiss on the cheek and hugging her and it makes me gringe because I wonder if they are mean to her or if he is just being a good dad. Does that make sense? Thanks to all of you who are replying to me...its helping me alot to talk about this.
 
You know I had to smile when I read your post because: first, yes, I get extremely not fine around strange men.Basically I don't trust men. I have typically found that I am justified in not trusting them. My father did NOT molest me. He was very violent however. But I have had the sexual abuse, just not from my dad. the second reason is because.....holy cow!!! do you see how many of us suffer from this PTSD plus the other crap that comes with it? It's epidemic like. ( I am married though, go figure) did I say happily?....hmmmm
 
I was molested by my dad. I have been raped. I had a lot of bad experiences.

When I see a man with his daughter I can't help but wonder if something is going on. I know there are good dads out there. But my trust has been broken and I am mistrustful of most men.

They are so good at putting on a good image. And the denial is in stone hearts. It is a hard world to know this stuff goes on everyday. I won't ever know what it is to feel safe with a father. My dad ,I had to cut off contact with him. He died this year. I didn't cry. just felt weird. I am ok now. I didn't go to the funeral.

It was like any day. Nothing special. I do not have to worry about being contacted by him anymore. He was my sperm donor. He was a physical abuser and verbal abuser. I hated him for years.

He wanted to have contact with me. I didn't. I had to break off contact with my whole family. I am doing ok now a days. But when I go out in public, I often wonder if things are ok. I know it happens a lot.

I will never know the safety of having a decent father or mother or sister or brothers. The denial is so strong, and I am not believed. I value my sanity too much to expose myself to the insidious family dysfuntions.

I have a husband who didn't molest my children. So I ave been able to live vicariously through my daughter. She know she is loved. Anyway, I hope this helps. take what you like and leave the rest.:)

<Edited for basic grammar by KP the nut>
 
I have also had bad experiences with men in the past. With good therapy I have overcome my fear. I learned to realise that there are bad and good people in the world, of both genders. There are some very good people out there as well. Therapy helps a lot and is the way forward for sure.
 
Jenn,

There is no doubt that the traumas will always "shade" a little of our thought processes, but as you go through therapy and working on your own perceptions of life as it is now, you will find the trauma colors the world less and less darkly.

It is funny, but I can look at a man with his daughter and see the "parental" love now. That how I was with my dad. But for a long time all I could see was men that "hurt their little girls" like my ex did my daughters. So it does eventually balance out. Just takes time and healing.

I hope you find your healing and life is less dark and scary for you soon.

Deb
 
I was sexually abused by men when I was a child so I grew up not trusting men. However, I am a man so I have had to adjust my thinking to allow for the existence of men like myself, who are dedicated to non-violence and non-abuse.

The problem, in the beginning, is that I tended to think of all men as being potential abusers and while there is some truth to the fact that some men are abusive, there are plenty of men who are loving, and who are not abusive.

That was a huge revelation to me because I had the previous belief that there were two types of people; abusers and victims. Now I realize how much my perception of life was colored by the abuse trauma. As I have healed, things have begun to take their proper perspective and I understand that there is the potential for good and bad in all people.
 
I let a man give me a massage the other day...and it was wonderful. He had a very nice touch, and although I was initially on guard, and wondered if he would do something bad...he didn't. I give massage to a woman who was raped by a massage therapist who is a man, so the thought did cross my mind.

He gave me a really wonderful massage though, and it made me feel great. Any time he did go too far or did something I wasn't comfortable with, I said I wasn't comfortable and he stopped straight away.

I've started having sex (sort of) again, and it's been nice...not full sex, with penetration, but just touching with a man who I think is pretty decent and good. Not all men are bad.

After I was sexually assaulted it became harder to not hate all men and lump them all together, where previously I had not felt that way but had what I considered to be a balanced, objective opinion where there was good and bad in all people and there are just as many asshole women as there are men...but they're not all like that. I just have to keep reminding myself of that.

Not all men are assholes. A lot are, but that goes for women as well. I actually used to judge women who hated men, and found them distasteful...now I understand totally where they are coming from. I hate that I became that, but it's hard not to when you've been violated that way.

Sometimes I do wonder, when I look at men with young children...but I hate that I do. I think it's a reflection of how the media has brainwashed everyone and with all the recent stories of paedophilia rings and child pornography...that puts fear and suspicion in everyone's head...which is unfortunate for any parent who really is innocent of anything like that.

That must be a terrible thing to receive looks from strangers when you are just playing with your daughter or son, and know that you are being judged or suspected of heinous actions, without any reason.

I wasn't molested by my father though, so I never grew up with that distrust of men. I've known some really wonderful men, and although I think that every man has it in him to potentially rape a woman, which is a controversial thing to say, I realize (just my opinion)...most of them would never do that.

For one thing, men are socially programmed to believe that this will make them shit in the eyes of society, and they fear the disapproval and being ostracized..not to mention jail (not that they get much time for it in this society...a pot dealer gets more time than a rapist does, which says a lot about how valued women are in society). So most men will control themselves...even if the impulse to dominate a woman is there, (which I'm not saying it always is...but I think it is there at least some times).

With kids though, it is easier to prey on them, and use fear to keep their silence...so I really can't say how much it does go on. Does anyone really know? It's scary...but I don't believe that every parent you see is like that. Probably many of them are not.

I can understand how someone who was raped by their father, or molested or otherwise had that bond of trust broken can easily think this about all men. It's understandable, even if it is irrational.

My father never did anything sexually to me, nor did he hit me (until I was 28 if you can believe that, and after I'd been raped too)...but he did mock and invalidate me, and negate my reality for most of my life, and couldn't work out why I appeared to have no confidence and was depressed, when externally it looked like I had everything any girl could ever hope for, so what tha hell did I have to be depressed about!

People are stupid...but they aren't all bad...they just do things and don't realize how much it can affect other people! Some are truly bad and evil though, and know exactly what pain they inflict...and enjoy every minute of it. I don't think they are the majority though. But I don't know for sure...?

I hope you all make much progress in therapy so you can see past the darkness and distortions.
 
I guess the answer lies somewhere in between. I do not know if a person who has never felt a mans foot on their neck or had a grown man crawl into bed with you at 5 years old can even begin to really understand what it is to fear males . I know some men are good...my head knows it, my heart has a hard time with it. (I get upset when I hear Mothers and friends and whoever just go on and on about how pretty or cute a child is) why not talk about how smart they are or capable or funny? I don't know, anything except "oh what a beautiful lil girl" because if youv'e ever been around the type of man we are discussing then you know being a beautiful little girl is a curse not a compliment
 
I liked reading the posts on this topic. It is distortions. Colored by past abuse. There are alot of good people in ths world. It was good to be reminded that it is distortions based on earlier abuse.
 
I guess the answer lies somewhere in between. I do not know if a person who has never felt a mans foot on their neck or had a grown man crawl into bed with you at 5 years old can even begin to really understand what it is to fear males . I know some men are good...my head knows it, my heart has a hard time with it. (I get upset when I hear Mothers and friends and whoever just go on and on about how pretty or cute a child is) why not talk about how smart they are or capable or funny? I don't know, anything except "oh what a beautiful lil girl" because if youv'e ever been around the type of man we are discussing then you know being a beautiful little girl is a curse not a compliment
Yes, I concede to this.

I don't know what that's like, but I have felt nervous around some men, and sometimes it's irrational.

I think people are mainly visual and a bit on the shallow side in general, so they always remark on what they see first rather than other characteristics which are equally important and wonderful. Men are primarily visual creatures, so they mostly go by what they see.

It can be a curse being a beautiful girl, and a beautiful woman. Women will be jealous and hate you for it, men just want to own and possess you and have you make them look good, and people want to exploit you for the way you look and what money they can make from it.

I've had my own brother try and get me to do a porn movie so he could make some money (with him filming it). I've had boyfriends who only liked me because I made them look good to their friends, and weren't interested in any other aspects of my life.

I've never had a grown man crawl into bed with me at that age (puke), but I have woken up with a grown man dry humping my ass from behind wearing clothes when I was a teenager. I guess it wasn't traumatic enough to make me distrust all men...but later I came to, for a time.

It's like you say though, easy for the intellect to accept that it's not every man who will be this way...much much harder for the heart to though. I sometimes feel like I have been over riding my heart and just taking stupid risks so I can get back to the way I was...but you can't force healing. Still, the risks I have taken with men have proven to not end in me being harmed or mistreated.
 
I had very bad androphobia as a child and I am not sure why. One day I determined it had to end, so I started talking to guys. It doesn't hurt I started to talking to guys who felt safe... and looked really nice. Just a "hi" or "could you reach up that shelf there" ... just kind of worked it out of me on my own.
 
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