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A very thought-provoking discussion indeed.

Speaking in general terms, my attitudes towards men and women tend to mirror my childhood relationships with my father and mother respectively. My father was my primary abuser, but was also, perversely, the one of my parents who I fought endlessly to please, felt grossly disordered attachment for and whose psychological influence over and domination of my life were cemented in childhood and persisted into adulthood.

My mother was the classic enabler, distant, detached, coldly condemning and critical and completely emotionally absent.

As a result, my default reactions to women are of ambivalence and disengagement. I have no strong feelings one way or the other for most women (except those who display specific trigger qualities or behaviours) and struggle to form any form of attachment to even the most innocuous and supportive women. Women also do not tend to distress or trouble me particularly and often evoke a rather dismissive kind of disinterest in me.

All of the dominant influences, both positive and negative, on my life, have been men. I tend to have strong instinctual reactions, again either positive or negative, towards men, and can say that both the most evil, and the most precious, people I have ever known, have been men.


I do tend to mistrust most men by default, and yet the only people I have ever trusted in the world are men. My T is male and I cannot imagine ever trusting anyone else with my truths the way I have trusted him.

The fact that he is a devoted family man with 4 kids, who he talks about constantly in a very "real" way (complete with both the ups and downs of parenthood), is probably very very healthy for me, though it is also often very confronting and painful and feels like a jarring reminder of everything I never had as a child.

But it's good for me to surround myself with examples of the good in people, particularly as I also work in a field in which I constantly am faced with the attrocities that human beings commit upon each other and on children in particular.

Maddog
 
I have very mixed up feelings about men.

I would feel safer with a man, but my abuse has come from men. And despite logic, I can't shift the feeling that when things go bad, its because of something I've done. So I feel apologetic and guilty in front of men, and I find I crave male reassurance and their judgement that I'm a good person.
 
It's all so contradictory and complicated. I think part of our issue is we are still evolving out of the "Man is King" type of mentality. The other part I really think comes from watching the people we love and ourselves repeatedly hurt by the very person who is suppose to protect....and yet he is still the boss...the king...he abused us, everyone hates him and he is still the boss...go figure...Just can't seem to seperate the man from the monster.
 
A weird advantage of having had selective amnesia and not remembering the traumas for years is that I've had a long time without a trauma-affected view of men. I've genuinely known that there are many good people (both men and women) and some bad. I've used my judgement, stayed away from people who seemed like trouble, and trusted others.

Since recovering memories I've had what you and others describe, depressedjenn. When I see children I can't help wondering if they're being abused, when I see women I can't help wondering if they've been raped, when i see men I can't help wondering if they're rapists or abusers.

Now I feel like my judgement has gone out the window and I don't think I could ever trust anyone new. I went through a time of not even feeling safe with male friends I've known for 20 years. Luckily that has faded away and I really hope the other stuff will too.
 
I think whether it's realized or not, there's a sort of expectation that abusive people are all bad, all the time. And having to fight that, having to realize they could be nice....under the "right" circumstances... is all the more confusing.
I wanted things cut out clearly, for a while, at least. When I accepted even nice people can be bastards in sheep's clothing, I was able to disregard the "nice" things and see the abuse, and since it's the abuse that hurt me, and it wasn't going to separate from the nice, it had to all be dealt with. The good feeling I got wasn't worth the agony

I could be really wrong though
 
I don't think you are wrong. It is very easy abusive people to also be very nice at times. But an apple beautiful on the outside and rotten on the inside will never be anything different unless the variables are changed. My sexual abusers, no. I don't know a lot about pediphiles and I try very very hard to never think of these times. But my dad who was extremely violent in a kinda 3rd degree assault way and said unbelievably cruel things to us as children is now in his upper 60s apologized to me many years ago for everything he had done. And how he really felt he had ruined everyones lives. See, the variables changed. No more children at home. No more increased stress from having to support us. Divorced. Lives with his girlfriend. Is very anti violent and kind of......gentle. Tells me all the time he loves me. And I have forgiven him. But....I wonder...if he had 5 small kid again and a wife and and and .....would he be the same as he was then? I don't know. I am glad to have my Dad and the bond we have now. I think his apology went a really long way with me...I love my Dad
 
Jenn

I totally share your thoughts, I was sexually abused by my father from the age of 5. Physically roughed up by my step-father, and the rest. These men were supposed to be my protectors, because of their actions they fundamentally changed my perceptions of men. I know not all men are are bad so to speak.

I get very nervious being alone with a man, if possible I avoid having them as doctors etc.. My fight or flight mechanism kicks in big time. Because of these environmental influences I am in a same sex relationship, I believe maybe I was also born this way. I have tried in my younger days to have relationships with men but it was just to traumatic for me. I must be clear in saying that I am in no way a man hater. Only the bad ones. :)

I seem to have a sixth sense in identifing child abusers, does anybody else?

It is sad that our minds have been polluted in this way, we should, when possible, surround ourselves with good respectful men to help with the healing and reprogramming. I think, maybe.

Lav
 
Oh, I KNOW I do. I don't care how many people disagree with me saying I can tell. But you know what, I really think I can. This forum is full of horrific true stories of cruelty and malice against children and adults alike so I will say something I have never said before. Not even to my Psych. I honestly can count 7 different males who molested me BEFORE the age of 10 and starting at 5 (5 is the first that I remember) Violently raped at 12. I have never had a man who has told me he loves me who has not hit me.

I don't care how unfair it seems to some people. Yes, I know a child abuser when I see one. And a wife hitter as well. There are good men in the world. There are good women in the world. I will say abuse is an equal opportunity poison. Iv'e met some women that I wanted to just ask them what in the h*** are you doing!? If you didn't want that child then why didn't you adopt him/her to someone who WANTED them. I can be a really unpopular person when I say that I really believe having children is not a right, it's a gift, privilege. I believe people should have to prove, test, practice whatever, I don't know how it could be accomplished without stomping all over everyones's civil rights. But what about my rights as a little girl, the violence with my dad and brothers and mom. Like I said I don't know to execute it but I believe it should happen.
 
I was attacked by a stranger who tried to rape me. After that I would often get panic attacks if a man was walking down the street towards me who reminded me in any way of my attacker. Months ago, my roommates and I were having a party and I left to walk to the store down the street for more ice. As I was coming home a drunk guy approached me and asked me for the time. I jumped away, held my hands up in front of me, and told him to get away and leave me alone. He actually seemed really shocked at my reaction and stumbled away. I then sprinted back to the house, and as soon as I was in collapsed on the floor and burst out crying. My roommate saw me and as soon as I choked out what had happened, she led me into the house and sat with me for a while until I stopped crying. Thankfully, I only now get anxiety, no more full on panic attacks.

Having said that, some of my best friends are guys, including my biggest supporter. I'm not uncomfortable around men, just men that give me the same type of feeling I had from my attacker when he first approached me. I completely understand where landytoday is coming from when she said she can tell. If I get a weird feeling about a guy I will get as far away as possible as fast as I can.
 
I was molested by my dad. I have been raped. I had a lot of bad experiences.

To read of so many cases of abuse and neglect and betrayal, makes me know I am not alone. It's not because I am so bad that i suffered all these things, it's because there is a world full of abuse and I was one of them.

If any of you have read my writings about men, you'll realize that I KNOW not all men are abusers, but to me, I must be careful of every man, just in case he IS an abuser.

When it runs in a family, the father, the son, the husband, the uncle, I believe it puts a stigma on every male in the world. I can not change being aware of men for a negative reason.

The good image from a stone heart is not always noticed until it's too late. I live with the knowledge that a stone heart can go along with that image they perfect daily in order to live in this world and in the homes of unsuspecting women. How can I ever trust again?

When the victim turns out to be yourself AND your daughter, there is a lifetime of regret and blame that goes along with the PTSD. I guess I don't feel I deserve to have peace of mind because of the things I didn't know.
 
(I get upset when I hear Mothers and friends and whoever just go on and on about how pretty or cute a child is)...because if youv'e ever been around the type of man we are discussing then you know being a beautiful little girl is a curse not a compliment

My daughter was and is a beautiful Asian. She was molested by her adoptive father (my husband) for a long time. It's been 6 years since I found out; beginning years of PTSD, loathing, and fear. At this point, she and I are very close as we were both his victims. We both watch other families and wonder what the truth is, especially when the child is beautiful. We look at each other and say nothing, but each knows what the other is thinking. Such abuse is so warped that it can't help but effect the rest of the victim's life.

Some say we should look for the ones who are not abusers because all men are not all abusers. In my mind, I feel they all have the ability to abuse, and that's enough to tarnish any thought of them being safe.

My youngest daughter is 13 and has a gorgeous figure, hair and personality, but is a tom-boy at heart. I feel this is a blessing for her. I watch closely how ANY male looks at her, ready to pounce if I feel the slightest bit of fear for her. I wish I had been on higher alert with my oldest daughter, but WHO thinks their husband is a pedophile?
 
Well, now I know why I returned to this forum because this is the very issue I need to heal from and at the present time, I'm so not there yet.

How to get to that place where I can be my authentic self around a man? Right now, all I know is how my anxiety level goes way up when a man approaches me. It is like why would a man even want to be around me, thus, lots of "less than" to deal with.

Never had any good role models, my father and even the guy I was married to, were both physically abusive, etc. In recent years I had to let go of a lot stress in order to feel safe which included my family of origin.

It is like how to explain to another person that I have been single all these years because I dread getting close to a man. Most people just wouldn't understand why I haven't had a date in all of these years, so thus still feel "less than".
 
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