Men's Rights Movement.

[Go Hungry]

*Triggers. So many triggers*

I'm not sure if I should be posting this in here, because there are so many who have felt the brunt of this and been abused. But I feel like it's got to be addressed, at least by me. I have the idea that this place is good for discussions and it probably won't turn into a screamfest like it has on almost all other forums.

There is this thing called the Men's Rights Movement, which ostensibly is a support group for middle class white guys who are having trouble coping with a world in which they are losing power on a political and cultural level. Ostensibly. At one time I looked into the movement because I was trying to cope with some guy problems and express things about a past abusive relationship; and thought that maybe it would have a nice support group, we could share experiences, etc. That's the nicest possible way of putting it, however.

In truth they are a hate movement who dehumanize women and blame the entire gender as the root of all problems in the world. And I mean HATE. These guys are monstrous; they think on one hand that all women are stupid base creatures with no brains who will bang EVERYONE who so much as looks at them, and on the other hand believe that women are in control of all society and wield absolute power over men. White men, AKA the most entitled bunch on earth. The sheer lunacy of that dichotomy itself shows that they are unhinged. They literally claim that there is no such thing as rape, because all women want it all the time, and that they are the victims; because for some reason women don't want to have sex with them at the drop of a hat. They drive me crazy!! And I'm not even close to done. Oh my god I just want to beat the living crap out of these guys.

These guys wish to degrade every woman they see, and seem incapable of believing that they are people. You know, people; with hearts and minds and fears and morning breath and everything else. To them women are like some kind of evil sub-human animals out to destroy them and society by having respect for themselves. And they are part of Pick Up Artist culture, or PUA as they call it. PUA is dedicated to the idea that women are 'sexual targets' and tries to teach guys how to properly manipulate girls into sex. They see all relationships as adversarial and about dominating the other person and believe that there is no such thing as Love, except in situations where professing love means automatic sex.

And I can't understand it. They responded to the recent PUA massacre with rape-threats against any woman who brought it up. They have lionized the guy, saying that he only did what was right, and that it is all females fault that he went on a shooting rampage. Get this: they say that if only his 'sexual targets' had the common decency to respond to his advances with proper respect and submission, then he wouldn't have been driven, FORCED, to kill all those people.

I can't believe it. I mean I truly cannot believe how the hell these guys live with themselves. I mean, I'm a straight out madman, a straight out delusional weirdo without my meds, but I just.. Oh my god I'm actually crying while I'm typing this at the sheer horror of these guys. How can people behave like this?

 

[Justmehere]

I don't know why such evil exists in the world, but as a woman and as a human being, I am deeply thankful for men like you who are disgusted and shocked by the horrible events and people like you described. Thank you. :hug:

 

[shimmerz]

For the fear of sounding too 'sensitive' I have to say that being sensitive in this world is a blessing and a curse. I simply can't understand the perspective of those that do not feel others and I expect they cannot understand why I care in a world where we are trained to 'perform at all costs'. No matter who we trample on, what we do. I thought the world was based on justice. That is why I can't read newspapers or watch the news anymore. I know the stories are twisted. I hate it. So I keep my world small enough (avoidance perhaps?) because I just can't bear to hear it anymore. I feel it too intensely.

 

[Go Hungry]

That is why I can't read newspapers or watch the news anymore. I know the stories are twisted. I hate it. So I keep my world small enough (avoidance perhaps?) because I just can't bear to hear it anymore. I feel it too intensely.

I know, and honestly it's a semi-valid tactic when it comes to this sort of stuff. But I just can't look away, you know. Pretending something doesn't exist just helps those who are doing the bad things. Sometimes I just feel so powerless, because this bunch are such an insular and self-perpetuating culture that they categorically deny any paradigm but their own. There is a petition at whitehouse.gov to have them listed as a terror organization, which I signed. I can't do much, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

 

[Caterpillar]

I fully agree with you, Go Hungry. When I first heard the name "Men's Rights Movement" years ago I imagined a group founded to combat the severe lack of services for male rape and domestic violence victims. Clearly I'm not jaded enough. The Men's Rights Movement almost makes me sorry we have free speech.

 

[Deleted member 20280]

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@Go Hungry

I can't believe it. I mean I truly cannot believe how the hell these guys live with themselves. I mean, I'm a straight out madman, a straight out delusional weirdo without my meds, but I just.. Oh my god I'm actually crying while I'm typing this at the sheer horror of these guys. How can people behave like this?

I totally agree with you, as a fellow man and a victim of a sexual predator myself when I was a child, (who by the way was MALE)

These men should be rounded up and have Justice meted out on them for their vile and disgusting view of women.

I abhor it when I hear words like 'typical MAN!', and 'MEN, they are all the same!.' Pardon me, BUT I am not 'typical' and the way I behaved last year **posted just now in my own Trauma Diary** disgusts me with inner shame.

There in my opinion is no such thing as 'Typical' be it male or female. My first wife was a philandering sleep with any bloke kind of woman, whereas my estranged wife was the loveliest person this world has ever seen. (it is only after time that I have truly appreciated just how lucky I actually was to have been blessed with her for 19 years.)

Ladies I can assure you, that thankfully, there are those of us men here who are as disgusted as yourselves at these so called 'MEN!' who belittle and demonise women as a whole.

NOT all men are the same and neither are all women the same, as if we were the world would be an utterly **** place to exist as we would be killing and raping each other in the streets.

I am deeply thankful for men like you who are disgusted and shocked by the horrible events and people like you described. Thank you.

@Justmehere . You and I have been interacting on this forum for some three months now, please take heart when I say this.

Interacting with ladies such as yourself in the chat-room as we regularly, do has reinforced my gut instinct that not all ladies/women are the same and that either sex, be it male or female have their aberrations.

Thank-you Go-Hungry for this post as I have been pondering on how to broach this subject myself for many months

Kindest regards to all both 'Male or Female' - 'Sufferer or Supporter' alike.

Laurie

P.S :hug:s for all who want or need one.

 

[silkleaves]

When I first heard the name "Men's Rights Movement" years ago I imagined a group founded to combat the severe lack of services for male rape and domestic violence victims.

That is exactly what I thought too. There are so many men out there who have been affected the same way women have in child abuse / sexual abuse / domestic abuse but are afraid to speak out because well, for one it carries an extra layer of shame and also the fear no one woudl believe them.

Then I found out what it was really about and was disgusted. I can be so naive sometimes.

 

[Deleted member 20280]

As a male rape victim it is more about the stigma in admitting that I was in fact raped and not just the once.

I was in fact raped most weekends over a 4 year period.

Now I have been to the Police and reported it, (nothing happened and the CPS dropped the case) I am comfortable talking about it as I recognise that I was only a child when it happened and powerless to stop it. I am a man now and have nothing whatsoever to be ashamed of.

 

[NovemberStar]

As soon as you put it was a group for middle class white men I knew what it was gong to be really about. An able-bodied, white, middle class man is at the top of the pile with the most privilege and less discrimination than any other group.

 

[TLight]

You are a good man Santa. Thank you.......

 

[Philippa]

Elliot Rodger, the guy who shot all those people last week was heavily into MRA and PUA. He believed that women need to be rounded up and put in concentration camps because they are too stupid to pick good men (like him) and go for "brutes" instead (this coming from a killer who planned for years to execute sorority girls for not having sex with him).

He wanted to punish them for not seeing how utterly magnificent he was and not having sex with him because he had a BMW and $300 sunglasses! The guy was majorly f*cked in the head, with extremely disturbing delusions akin to Kim Il Jong. And his delusions were fed by these entitled little boys who can't get laid and think it's womens fault.

Thankyou so much for raising this issue. The disgusting thing is that some WOMEN are heading these movements and gaining political clout.

There is also another sub group known as the MGTOW. Men Who Go Their Own Way, and they are just as ridiculous. Boys who are working hard to INVENT A MALE WOMB so they no longer need to rely on women at all and are actively trying to overcome their "Obsession with pussy" so they can not fall victim to the evil women of the world who ruined their lives by dumping them or calling them stupid. You couldn't make this stuff up.