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StaciB

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I figured I would move this from PTSD Relationships...

So I have never done this before and I'm a little skeptical. I've always dealt with my own problems but this is beyond me. We have three kids and we need help, but I don't know how to get him to reach out. This is my story. I was a single mom of two girls when I moved to Tennessee for a soldier that I thought would be worth the long haul. This ‘man’ was manipulative and a con and within a few weeks of moving I found out that he was hooked on K-2, a ‘legal marijuana’ that fries your brain and makes you flat out evil. Jared saved us in more ways than one but our relationship has been pretty rocky. I want to save my marriage and find a way to get back to being us. Please help!

When we met I had more energy, it was before I had any major issues with what they think is fibromyalgia, and before the custody battle for his son. The girls were always taken care of, the house was always clean, and we were happy. I was dating a real psycho, but the girls and I were happy. When I realized what Tony was I started having sleeping problems. I would spend more time outside and let the girls play in the house so they wouldn’t know I was upset. That’s when I met Jared, who lived next door. We began talking and really hit it off. He helped me out a few times, let me use his washer, towed my car when it broke down, even though he and Tony hated one another he stuck it out. He was very open about his strong feelings for me, especially on the nights that we would sit outside for hours listening to music and talking. After about a month of fights with Tony, who only got worse, I broke things off. Jared was right there for all of it. My shoulder to cry on, keeping me strong, and helping me make sure that Tony and the threat that came with it was gone. In doing this my lease was terminated since I did not yet have a job, and had no way to pay rent, they would not let me stay. So Jared moved in. During the first month we were together things were amazing. He was honest, patient, playful, helped with anything we needed… And no matter what we needed he was there. Everything was about us making it together.

After about a month, Jared had his first flashback around us. That’s when I first noticed things changing. He started being more testy and withdrawn, stopped helping around the house until he felt bad when I was cleaning for most of the day (the apartment was a crappy little one bedroom with black mold so I had to bleach everything all the time). He told me he was more withdrawn because of the flashbacks, that he could feel them coming on and he didn’t want to be around us when it happened. I accepted that and he began spending more time in the bedroom playing Facebook apps or watching movies. We started fighting about how he would react to the girls when they misbehaved, or about me finding a job, which I had no motivation for since I would not be able to get daycare and he would be at home with the kids.

We were married in a little courtroom on 20 Dec 2011. We had been together for only four months, but there was no doubt at all that he was the person that I wanted for the rest of my life. We were planning on a wedding for the next year but I wanted him to know that I was his, and I wasn’t going anywhere. The fights were ongoing but I still held on that his flashbacks had not returned and soon he would relax back into person I fell in love with.

His second flashback was while we were in Missouri visiting my family for Christmas. We were staying at my grandma’s house and in the middle of the night he had gone downstairs to where my grandpa had his den and tried to get into the gun safe. The whole room looked like a tornado had gone through it and the window had been opened. He was thoroughly embarrassed as he didn’t remember doing it, although my grandparents were understanding and simply worried for him. After that our fights started getting worse. Especially one on New Years where he had drank a little too much. We had been married for about a week and a half. We never had that honeymoon period.

Our fights continued, and eventually I just shut down. I started spending hours playing video games or sleeping. Some days I couldn’t even manage to get out of bed. This spurred more fights as he was taking care of the house and the kids, which I understand now, but I was so depressed that I didn’t see how stressful it was for him at the time. I had gotten a job at a gas station and was starting to do a little better with my depression when we were faced with a new issue. Jealousy. He was upset that I had been spending so much time on the Xbox with another gamer who lived in Arizona. His name was Cameron and we talked the entire time we were playing. We talked about life, music, movies, his potential girlfriends, and married life. He even explicitly stated he could never date “a girl like me” because I had kids, and he could never “take care of someone else’s kids.” Jared would hear none of this and accused me of having an emotional affair. I, personally, have never gotten a long especially well with females and so most of my friends in life have been either male or tom-boys like me, so that has cut down on the number of people that I can talk to. This issue has come up multiple times, even when there is no perceptive threat. The 50+ year old loss prevention guy from work that Jared was uncomfortable with me texting, the soldier that came into the gas station just because I worked there- he asked me to lunch and I politely told him no, but Jared still got raging mad that someone asked me. So I stopped telling him about work since I am employed on post and 99% of our customer base is male soldiers. I’ve actually stopped going to him about anything since any time we have a conversation it turns into a huge fight and ends in him pointing out everything everyone else (especially me) is doing wrong.

So flashback number three of our almost 11 months together- luckily I was home from work. I guess it was the worst he’s had while we’ve been together. He put one hole in a wall, and another in a door, and it took all I could do to comfort him after he calmed down. I talked to my work the next day and they granted me a few weeks off to take care of everything going on at home, including the fact that I am five months pregnant and have had a rough pregnancy. Not even a week later we were in yet another fight where I felt he had been too hard on my daughter. We fight about his disciplinary beliefs constantly because I feel they should sometimes be allowed to be kids, while he has more of the military strictness. (He was in for 6 years, three tours and is now 100% DV) This fight was an eye opener that we need help. He had never before been violent towards me. This time he threw a laundry basket at me and put a hole in the wall just behind me. While he can just go calm down and move on, I can’t, and I’m more afraid than ever to tell him what is bothering me or talk about what we need to do. I don’t want to run. I don’t want to leave him. I’m looking for ideas on how to get him to open up and see his faults. I want him to see that unless he gets help then we aren’t going to be able to improve, but I don’t want any more rages. I’m not even sure if this is the forum I need to be in, but any ideas would be welcome as right now I’ve run out.

Thanks for reading.. I know it’s long and I tried to condense it as much as I could.

Staci
 
Hi Staci, it sounds like the beginning of the end. You have to be safe and your kids need to be safe. Your husband needs to be in therapy working on this stuff. I hear you that you love him. Sometimes a person has to hit bottom before they reach out for help. I wish you the best in whatever you decide. I am sorry you are going through this. You have to think of the pregnancy and taking the best care of you. You need to be stress free, and you are in a crazymaking environment. Go to the supporters section where someone will be able to assist you. Lots of really good people there who have been there. You are not alone. Good luck.
 
Staci, your story disturbs me.

You had 2 + little children and moved town with them to be with a man. This didn't work out, how well did you know this man before you moved in with him? it strikes me as not very well if it only took 2 weeks to realise he was using drugs and you were both fighting with each other.

Then you met Jared the hero/knight in shinging armour, he rescues you and you married him 4 months later even though you were already having problems. You sound like you started off ok and with good intentions and high standards but end up depressed, playing video games for hours, couldn't get out of bed, sleeping during the day, and this is after he has established a similar routine for himself.

After 11 months of your relationship he starts throwing his weight around, damaging property and is showing signs of being violent towards you and when you are pregnant! I find it disturbing that you say you did all you could to comfort him after he calmed down, umm where were your children when this was going on, did they witness this situation, if so I hope you gave them some comfort also(first). Little girls need a man/father/male role model they feel safe and secure with, not a man they who hurts their mom and someone they may become afraid of.

You want him to open up/see his faults, no more rages etc, seriously... you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If he is already dis-respecting you, your children and your pregnancy so early in your relationship by being abusive and violent, NOW!!! is the time to get out.

Don't give him the benefit of the doubt. Think about what you are teaching your children by his actions and behaviour and yours also.
 
I knew the guy I moved for really well. He got into the drugs after he had moved down here and gotten things ready, he said because he was bored waiting for us. And as far as Jared goes, he is a good man. He stopped drinking after the New Year's incident because he didn't want to put me in that situation again. He tries constantly to improve, but without therapy he goes back to the way he was behaving before. He hasn't touched alcohol, but he gets so overwhelmed that he overreacts fast. I see him try, and I see him struggle or I wouldn't be with him. And the kids are always safe. When things even seem to be getting heated I get them in their bedroom and direct Jared and his anger towards me and outside. He's not some abusive psycho. He's my husband and I'm not leaving. I was looking for help on getting him to see that he does have to go to therapy to get results. His anger is getting worse and so I do see the need for immediate action.

I find it disturbing that you say you did all you could to comfort him after he calmed down, umm where were your children when this was going on, did they witness this situation, if so I hope you gave them some comfort also(first).
As far as this goes, this was after a flashback. And yes I am going to comfort him. The kids were on the other end of the house and no they did not witness his flashback. He locks himself in our bedroom when he feels one coming on.

I don't want to be seen as the irresponsible mom. I do have exit plans in place for me and the kids. I have a friend in town that will keep the kids if I need to take Jared to be admitted at the VA. It is not that I don't have precautions. I have also made him well aware that if he gets violent again, since this was his first time, he is going to be admitted for therapy and anger management because I can't have him doing that around the kids.

And I am doing much better with my depression. Maybe I should have clarified, but the video games and laying in bed didn't last forever. After a few weeks I was able to force myself to get up and help Jared with things, bringing us back a little to where we had started.

I've seen him when he has a handle on his PTSD. I just want to help him get control again. That doesn't make me weak or irresponsible. I know he's worth it.
 
First, I'm sorry to hear this and my heart and prayers are with you. Second, get yourself help. What this means is if you're depressed and if you can find a way to get counseling, please do so. You have to take care of your health, physically and mentally, in order to assess the situation clearly. You mentioned several times that you're depressed and that needs to be something you tend to before you help someone else. Second, emotionally you are there trying to make it work. It has to be hard. Plus, you're working, taking care of your kids and growing another little angel as well. Your health comes first, but those kids need their needs addressed as well. He's escalating in his reactions to you and the flashbacks. Eventually, it will be so out of hand that you will be forced to leave, and probably abruptly at that.

Before that happens, you may want to sit down with him and suggest counseling as a couple but treatment for his PTSD. Does he know that's what he's dealing with? Will he acknowledge it? Have you all talked about him seeking help? If so, what's his response?

Also, I don't know too much about PTSD so I can't say if it makes people abusive (although I can say I that I doubt it). With my person, when he's in the throes of an episode he's paranoid, suspicious, angry and mean. I'm in therapy now and one of the things I'm trying to determine is if I can deal with that. These are questions that you have to ask yourself. Are you willing to deal with this? If he never changes, is this enough for you? Your kids? Of course, we want them to get help and do better for themselves and their families. But, there is always that possibility that he won't change and the sooner you address that in your heart, the better prepared you will be to deal with the reality of the situation now. Define what you will and won't take. Determine if this is enough for you and your kids.

Good luck.
 
Thank you for that HelloMo. It did get me to thinking about if he doesn't change. We have talked about treatment for PTSD and his biggest issue is that the VA just wants to do trigger therapy, where they induce flashbacks in the hopes that he will eventually learn to deal with them. He has been through this before and he said that it made his flashbacks more violent and last longer. He says that he's open to therapy and counseling but when it comes to making the appointment he's very reluctant. He is open to couples therapy, and I think that is something that I am going to start pushing for a little harder. As far as therapy for myself, that is a little harder for me. There are a lot of things that I don't want to drag up again, and it seems like my depression gets worse before it gets better in the hunt for a new counselor. But I have been looking into a therapist and some places around town, trying to gather the courage to go through everything again.

He was more open to talking today and so we sat down and made a list of disciplinary actions for the kids' bad behavior and I told him why I felt the way I did on how he treated them. We also talked about the fact that everything we do has to be 100% both ways and everything went a lot smoother today.

I do my best to make sure that the kids always have attention. My world revolves around them. Jared has demanded a little more attention lately just to make sure that nothing is going to escalate, but I still try my hardest to get them to the park, go swimming, or just spend time coloring at the table. None of them are school age yet so a lot of things they miss but I know they feel the tension. Jared and I talked about that tonight as well. He agrees that we both need to spend more time giving them a childhood instead of keeping them in this environment. He sees that what he's going through is affecting all of us negatively, and not just him. I guess all I needed was the courage to speak up and the knowledge to see when would be a good time to approach him.

If he doesn't change then I don't think I could keep our children in this environment for long. Right now I'm still holding on that he will try and find help. From our conversation tonight it seems that I may be able to give him the push he needs, while pushing myself as well. The more I see his want to improve the more I want to be better for my family as well.
 
Staci - I am so so sorry that you are all going through this. Some of this may sound harsh - but it is the unvarnished facts as I know them.

First: there is NOTHING "you can do" to get him to see his faults. He will see that he needs help or not - and it sounds like he knows there is a problem. His illness is his responsibility - not yours. It will get worse if he doesn't get treated appropriately. The only power you have is in deciding what behavior you will or won't accept from him. Period. And he has said he is afraid of treatment - he's dropped out once. It has to be worth it for him to go back and finish it. IMHO if he won't get treatment - you need to take the children and go someplace you can find work and get more support.

Second: PTSD is best treated through exposure based treatments, and they are very very successful. AND the symptoms do get worse before they get better. So it is HARD to do. Since he is a vet - you might be able to get him into an inpatient 12 week program (that way he is away from you and the kids when he is bad.) It also requires some longer term Cognitive therapy to learn to cope with with the chronic nature of the PTSD.

Third: The only difference between a relationship with someone with PTSD and a plain old garden variety abusive relationship is if the PTSD sufferer is actively and whole heartedly pursuing treatment. Otherwise, its just abuse.

Fourth: People who pick someone who already has PTSD as a romantic partner, in my experience, always have serious issues of their own to deal with as well - which makes it even more important for you to take care of yourself.

Fifth: Your kids, no matter what room they are in, unless they are incredibly stupid or have the sensitivity of rocks (seems unlikely) are totally aware of what is going on. And they are working like mad in their little minds to make sense of this crazy guy and why their mom is letting him be angry at her for no good reason. Getting his anger directed at you is better than it being directed at them, but not as much as you'd hope. It is hard to know what little ones take away from this sort of situation - but it is generally not what adults think or would approve. I'd get them some help too. This is a very very difficult and terrifying situation for children.

Your last interaction sounds hopeful. I would add that discussions with my H (particularly about kids) go best when I start with what we are aiming for... and then framing the discussion in terms of how to help that kid get there. They are not troops to be "whipped into shape" (which was his folk's idea of child-rearing.) GRRR. Sorry, my issue here. Having my 5 year old in therapy (the girls in their 20s are too old for me to tell them what to do! and don't live with us) has helped me to recognize which "misbehaviors" are coping mechanisms and indicate that she needs some kind of support or reassurance, and when she is just pushing boundaries. And, her dad is good on some days and bad on others. Consistency is VITAL in parenting - and the nature of PTSD is that he CANNOT be consistent. So that's just hard.

It has been very helpful to us to have someplace else my H can go when he is bad. Could you guys rustle up some kind of "retreat" for him when he is feeling triggered? A friend's garage or basement? Someplace he could be alone and quiet and recover without inflicting his symptoms on you and the kids?

Finally, it is well worth re-reading all of Anthony's stuff here on PTSD and its treatments if you haven't already in the last couple of weeks.

Wishing you and your family peace and healing.
 
Eleanor, your third point is something I needed to hear. I have felt like an abuse victim during the past with my person and it's so true that until there is help that is sought and taken, it is just an abusive relationship with no end in sight. It's words like this that help me understand so much about the situation I was in. I know your words are helping others too.
 
I honestly just have not known how to reply to you Eleanor. You said a lot that really hit hard and I've been looking for ways to implement the ideas and beliefs into my own life because they do make sense. Like the fact that I can't really help him. I really am just a supporter, and that's harder, I think, than trying to actively help because you have to just sit back sometimes and let them come to terms.

The trigger therapy... That is such a touchy subject with him. He did finish the exposure therapy before. Maybe it wasn't long enough for him? I think it was about six weeks. I have been asking him lately what his plans are as self-help and therapy. I'm trying not to push him too hard but I want him to know that he needs to do this instead of just letting it go. I did make a point to tell him again that if he loses his temper like he did last time we would be gone. No talk of forced admittance this time. We would leave. That was a very hard conversation to have.

I do have my own issues. Chronic depression and PTSD are both things that I have been diagnosed with since I was 16. I have been through therapy, but I think it's time to go back. I have just been fighting everything by myself, which wasn't hard when it was just me and the girls. They kept me happy and there was no drama. Now that I've been in a relationship... Definitely time to start taking better care of myself mentally.

For the kids... I've explained to them while he's having a flashback that he's upset and he needs time to himself. I don't know how to explain PTSD and the affects it has to kids that are under 5. We have figured out that it helps to get him out of the house. He's enjoying getting out and taking care of the yard- sitting outside and watering the yard and pulling weeds etc. A couple nights ago he was pretty testy with everything and I suggested he go to the movies. He did and came home in a much better mood, and we were able to talk about what had been going on that day and why he was so upset with everything. Right now we've got a custody battle in full swing and his ex is a manipulative woman. It's very hard to have a loss in court anyways, but with the way she neglected their two year old son was disgusting. When she went to jail for not paying child support on another of her children we got the chance to fix 3 cavities (we only had him on weekends before), got him 100% healthy (not one asthma attack or sick visit with us when she had to take him almost weekly), taught him to talk and use his words (he had a one "word" vocab before he came to us permanently) and this was all in just five months. All of this on top of what we're already working on is overwhelming for all of us, he just doesn't separate who he's mad at and takes his anger out on whoever is in the same room. So we're addressing that as well.


I like the suggestion of beginning our conversation with goals instead of what is going wrong. I completely understand the military views of raising kids. That is what most of our fights are about. Getting them into therapy would be a good idea and I'll start looking into that.

Thank you for your ideas, and for being blunt with me. We're making progress.. slowly but surely. Reading what people have to say on here, and what Anthony has posted, has helped tremendously with putting things into perspective and ways to approach Jared. Even just the cup illustration with the different stresses helped me explain to him why we needed to find ways for him to separate himself from us while he gets a handle on whatever has him feeling overwhelmed.
 
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