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General New and Trying to Understand Combat PTSD

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bellacat

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Hello to all, I found this site browsing the internet searching for information about combat ptsd. I do not have it, but someone I care for very much does. I'm a writer so I will try and sum the background story up quickly:smile:.

I got in touch with a high school friend back in December. Initially we had actually gotten in touch 3 years prior via internet, but never spoke. He ended up getting married and we lost touch. Ahead to Dec- well, turns out his marriage didn't last long. And we ended up speaking and immediately there was a connection. We spent 5 hours on the phone the first night, 4 hours the second, and seemed inseperable via the phone for a few weeks. Within these conversations I learned he had combat ptsd. But he was very open about it, open about wanting to go back to therapy, and about his experiences. He definitely led the conversation to give me the impression that this could be a long term relationship, and there was definite chemistry- yes over the phone;)

There were a few times where he seemed to get distant, but he apologized and told me that sometimes he just doesn't want to talk to anyone. With the research I was doing I understood that.

His divorce was only final about 7 months ago, so really still a fresh wound. She was an alcoholic who would yell at him and he told me she just made him feel like crap about himself. I'm sure this did not help the ptsd.

I lost my job and decided recently to take a leap of faith and move to the same area. I did not say it was for him, there were several reasons for the move, but I will be honest and say that if we did not live in the same area, nothing would ever work. And he is beyond worth the risk. He was ok with the idea but I rarely discussed my moving plans as to not make him feel like he had anything to do with it.
After all of the talk in the beginning of our friendship about pursuing a relationship, there was a switch and he started to tell me that he had so many things he needed to work on that he was not ready for a relationship. This I understood, relationships do not happen overnight. Never the less he still called and we still spoke for hours almost daily.

So I get here, and we meet with some mutual friends for the first time in 14 years! Yes, there was chemistry.....and a lot to drink! You can do the math. I have told this man things that I have never shared with another man, so he knows what certain things mean to me. While we were drinking though, he started talking about the war and got emotional, at one point he wanted to leave and be alone, but he ended up coming with me. Along the way he went into how damaged he was, he can't be in a relationship right now and he's not a good person. Not how I see him AT ALL. But he is clearly in so much pain.
The night came and went and I was very light about it. It meant the world to me, but I know the state he is in.

He called the next night and we spoke for a couple of hours, but nothing about what had happened. But again he threw out there that he needs to be alone. I didn't say anything, I get it, but he doesn't need to keep saying it. We spoke a few more times, then Fri he asks me if I wanted to meet a couple of his friends.....so I met him out...

Well, he seemed to be in ptsd mode that night, when first thing he makes a comment to me about how he just wants to fight someone, I asked what was wrong and he said nothing he just woke up feeling that way. I probably should have let things lie.....at the end of the night, I decide to be brave and go in to kiss him. He gets close, then pulls away again telling me that he can't be in a relationship. Ok I get it, I get it. He said I didn't and we ended up "arguing" about it for 2 hours. He said that he's killed so many people, that he had to pick up the bodies of his friends, that I have no idea what life is like with him, that he wakes up crying, will stare at nothing.. I told him there is nothing that he can tell me that is going to change the way I feel about him. He still does not have closure in his marriage either. He told me that if I pressured him he would never speak to me again ( I have never pressured him), that I should go out and find someone better for me (this killed me being that one week prior I basically opened myself up to him completely), that if he thought it was going to be detrimental to me he would limit time spent with me. He's NEVER said anything like any of this to me.
I understand all of this. It just got to a point where I couldn't talk about it anymore and ended the convesation. I didn't know where we were at friendship or otherwise at this point.

The next day was the worst day ever. I can't remember the last time I felt so awful, literally cried with short pauses from the moment I woke up.

He text me at 1am which I didn't hear, so I didn't respond. So he calls me 30 minutes later. NOTHING was said about the intense night before. We just talked for an hour and a half about things we always talk about.
Then last night he calls again and we talk for another hour and a half. We usually have very long phone conversations, about the same kind of stuff. He threw in little comments again about how he is going to die at an old age SINGLE. (Good grief! _ I get it....sort of!)

He truly is the most amazing man I have ever met, is truly caring and concerned for the feelings of others. And he is dealing with so much pain, pain I know I will never understand. But I am, without a doubt, falling in love with him.
I am listening to his words about being alone, but it is practically impossible not to have hope that they are just words as there is some part of him that needs to talk to me for hours. I think it helps him in some way. Or am I just refusing to hear what he is telling me?

I know there will be times when he is here, then goes, then is here, then goes.....and I am 100% willing to walk through fire with him to get him to where he is needed. My greatest fear is him needing me to draw him out of his shell and me not understanding how to do so. Right now I know he just needs me to be his friend, which I am and always will be.

OMG- this is so long!! Sorry for the LONG backstory, but there you have it. I feel this forum is a great support as most here can certainly understand that most friends and family do not understand why we stay. And at this point, I just need some support so that my heart can be strong when maybe his cannot.
Thanks for reading:hello:
 
Hello bellacat:hello:I know how frustrated you are feeling, my ex was the same. you are doing the right thing by been his friend only and by pressuring him into more he will drop you very quickly because he is at a point where it is him or you just to cope, your friend is going through a huge amount of emotions and feelings, my biggest mistake that i made was not LISTENING, i thought love and me could fix him, i was wrong. I wish you all the best as it is not easy.:Hug_emoticon:
 
My fiance went through a phase after he came home from Iraq of thinking that he was a terrible person that no one should be around. Some of the things they have to do and have seen cause tremendous amounts of guilt that effect their self-worth. He tried and tried to convince me it was in my best interest to stay away from him because he didn't feel in control of himself. It was protective in a way. I can't say that's the case with your guy but it is common to push people away.

I would say you're just going to have to let him move at his own pace and be there for him. Definately don't push!
 
Welcome to the forum Bellacat

While I would like to offer you encouragement there is unfortunately the cruel reality of PTSD where a sufferer must want to heal themselves and only they can change things to make their life better. It also takes a lot of hard work and persistence on their behalf.

A Carer offering support can be most helpful for a Sufferer however if they said they need to be alone you need to give their word the merit it deserves. Please do not disillusion yourself thinking he is only saying that. You will find those words written all over the forum and it is typical of PTSD. If they say they need to be alone they usually do so please don't convince yourself it will change.

I am listening to his words about being alone, but it is practically impossible not to have hope that they are just words as there is some part of him that needs to talk to me for hours. I think it helps him in some way. Or am I just refusing to hear what he is telling me?

At this point it sounds like you are refusing to hear what he is telling you. Sorry but I think it is important that you realise what is going on so you don't inadvertently hurt yourself.

i thought love and me could fix him

What Pebbels has written is very simple yet very profound.........while you can fall in love with someone and want to do everything you can to help them they have to love you back and want to do it for themselves...I am really sorry to be so brutally honest but you are dealing with someone who has a debilitating illness and it will take more than your support and coaxing to change them.
 
My greatest fear is him needing me to draw him out of his shell and me not understanding how to do so.

Bellacat, it sounds to me that you think you can help "fix" this man. He has to work through his issues and face his trauma and through that he may pull himself out of his shell. That is not your job nor do I think that is a healthy way to think getting involved in such a relationship. Sorry :rolleyes:.
 
I don't wander into this section too often, because I usually get into trouble when I do. I tend to have a big mouth.

I agree with Nicolette, on the things she has pointed out to you already, and I would like to add this.... If you continue to try to *fix* him or attempt to, it will backfire in your face, and he will push you out, faster than you can open the door to leave.

He needs to do this in his own way, his own time. Unless he finally decides to go into therapy and start working on his trauma, and himself, then he will continue in this fashion. Because it's all we KNOW at the time. It's how we THINK we are coping well. When in reality it really isn't coping well at all, but again, it's all that we know at the time.

There are many things that we do, that are bad coping skills, drinking, drugs, isolation, the list is endless, and most of us have used them. This IMO is where your friend is at this stage, and until he decides to get help, it's probably where he will most likely stay......

Be supportive, and listen IF he wants you to....Other than that, RESPECT his boundaries and most important...Take care of you!!!!!!!!
 
Bellacat your post has really got me thinking..........

Perhaps if you read your own writing you will find out the answer to your last question quoted in this post.......

After all of the talk in the beginning of our friendship about pursuing a relationship, there was a switch and he started to tell me that he had so many things he needed to work on that he was not ready for a relationship.

Along the way he went into how damaged he was, he can't be in a relationship right now

But again he threw out there that he needs to be alone.

pulls away again telling me that he can't be in a relationship. Ok I get it, I get it. He said I didn't.

He threw in little comments again about how he is going to die at an old age SINGLE. (Good grief! _ I get it....sort of!)


Or am I just refusing to hear what he is telling me?

It concerns me that, from what you have written, that you really are putting yourself in a position where you could really get hurt.

I suggest you read as much as you can on the forum including the PTSD sections as it sounds like your man currently has unmanaged PTSD and is being responsible and honest by saying he can't be in a relationship right now.

While you say you don't think you are pressuring him, you need to realise that PTSD sufferers think differently and from his point of view you may be.
 
My ex is a combat vet. I've been through a lot of things you're feeling as far as emotions and concern go. What i have learned is that you must take care of yourself. Please take the time to make sure that YOU are okay, and that you are doing well. It's very important to maintain your own health.

I'm not saying this can happen over night, because it took me a while to realize i need to take care of myself too. But i'm at that point right now where i'm caring for me...

Feel free to private message me anytime..and i'll help the best i can.
 
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