News New Cops Told To Go Out And Cause Ptsd

[Ronin]

Being skilled at rationalizing behaviour, that is a dangerous thing.

Different things going on here though, I believe. Rationalizing behavior is one thing; telling a fellow survivor to ultimately not generalize about perpetrator class & in essence urging discrimination in people and critical thinking skills? Is quite another. From the way I read @FridayJones' post, she is not saying at all anything anyone does to Ed & others in his situation is right. She is urging people to keep their heads on straight. Which can be life saving.

It's care. It's not cruelty. It's not harshness covered as love, or tough love. It's compassion. That it may not translate is a different thing.

 

[Friday]

The issue is, that you and other people are using this thread to protect and defend yourself.

This is about you and others feeling repeatedly diminished by anti-institutional messages and taking this chance to defend yourself.

You make a lot of assumptions about my motivations... You're also completely wrong. The things you say I'm thinking and feeling are not what I am thinking and feeling.

You took his issue and made it your own.

Nope. I was talking to Marie. He's the OP, but this is a news & debate thread, that's what we do... Debate and talk about different view points pertaining to the article/ video/ law/ policy/ etc. Whether it's gun control, or police slogans, or whatever. She brought up a military aspect to the debate, & while there's no way in hell I speak for everyone in the military, I also spent over 20 years in the culture. I think it's a lame slogan, as far as slogans go, but I can still see how it came about / see the attempt at humor in it.

Then I was responding to you, trying to explain why I don't lie in general, and especially not to trauma-people... Where a lie is never a kindness.

it all seems so beside the real questions:What is the real meaning of that text to Link Removed?
How can Link Removed cope with it?
Why did Link Removed post this?
Can Link Removed get something positive out of it?

@Ed Norton wasn't asking for help in dealing with his issues. This post wasn't about Ed, or his trauma, or his coping mechanisms, whatsoever. If it were? It would be over in Diaries, or Discussion... Or in a venting thread, or any of a dozen places where the place's intent is to help the OP with something. He didn't ask for help. He's sharing an opinion on an event, & so was I.

Those are questions to pose to ED, not for me to try and divine. I'm not a mind reader. But again, this forum is on news/ politics/ debates. Ed is allowed to talk about cops, and hold opinions about cops/politics/policy, that are completely removed from his trauma. Just because I know Ed's trauma, and like Ed, doesn't mean that my being honest about my views on police in general, or this case in particular, is my attacking him.

My opinion on cop-humor, medical-humor, et cetera? Just that. My opinion.

Ed might not like that we disagree, or he might, IDK... But disagreeing with someone is very different than attacking them.

Ed & I have some pretty damn similar viewpoints in a lot of areas, and differ in others. That's okay. It really, really is. If he stops liking me because of one of those views? That's his right. I'm not going to try and manipulate him -or anyone else- into liking me by lying. I don't do that with anyone. There is no hidden agenda, my answers don't change depending on who I'm talking to. When I think something is f*cked up? I say so. When I think it's totally understandable? I say so. Either someone likes me for me, or they don't.

 

[Tanishq]

Link Removed wasn't asking for help in dealing with his issues.

I agree with this fully. I agree with @FridayJones's whole post.

This is debate. A debate can have many views, opinions.
Yes.

I am remembering why staff asks us to be careful about where we place our threads, if you want support, go to particular section, otherwise may happen you may not get the support you need. There is a thread about example questions.

I see many are confused in this thread except few people, well confusion happens. I also got confused. What matters to me is clarification, stay clear in the end. No problem. :)

 

[Ed Norton]

@FridayJones I get where you're coming. I disagree, and you have a right to your opinion. No hard feelings whatsoever. See you in chat :)

My opinion is that it's inappropriate and not funny. Because so so so many police take it to heart!

 

[Mallaky]

I am not going to discuss the topic anymore, as I explained in my post.

I just want to say I truly enjoy the level of discussion here and am amazed by the mature reaction of everyone involved. I was feeling very anxious after writing my post. I was afraid of people being insulted, lashing out and all these stressfull things. Even avoided reading the responses for a while.
None of that happened. I really, really love that.

 

[Ed Norton]

My last post too
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+12:19&version=KJV

 

[anthony]

I don't like bible quotes... they're more often than not taken out of context when contained without their surrounding verse's, often which counter / argue many points of said quote. Like ongoing diatribe, quote to quote.

 

[Ed Norton]

It's better than saying what I really want to say about what I think of most police. They weren't put here to be liked, but I think that the ones that I put are quite clear.

 

[Ed Norton]

Is this better?

 

[Truthful_Whispers]

"Go out and cause ptsd"...ptsd is nothing to joke about. What kind of insensitive pos would say something like that? That's terrible.

 

[Truthful_Whispers]

http://www.flexyourrights.org/

 

[joeylittle]

On a really basic level - at least, in the US - I believe most people want to think of soldiers in relationship to war, and police in relationship to peace. It is very frightening to admit/acknowledge that there really is a war going on in our nation, and it's being fought between the police and the public.

I think we are content to have our military go somewhere else and kick ass. I think we are grateful that someone is out there fighting for and dying for our freedom and safety at home.

If you apply that same statement to police, the latter is true: we are grateful that someone is out there fighting for and dying for our freedom and safety at home. However, we are not comfortable with our police going out onto our own soil and kicking ass. It's wrong, somehow. It's exactly the opposite of what makes us generally feel safer - the notion that they 'keep the peace' (as if we exist in a state of peace anymore).

Add into that the fact that the vast majority of America's police force is ex-military.

Then, when we find ourselves in a prolonged war/wars overseas AND recurrent civil wars at home, it all starts to feel like war, and I truly believe you cannot fault a soldier for returning to their training. We want to have a volunteer army, then we need to accept that we are asking people to self-select into being trained to attack, survive, get in, get out, and kill.

I really do understand, looking at footage (there's lots of it now) where someone's got something in their hands, a cop has a gun drawn, there is tons of shouting, long the lines of 'drop your weapon', the individual raises an arm slightly to drop the weapon (it's always clear on the playback, and I'm sure it's not clear at all in real life), and the cop shoots. I'm not sure that would have happened 20 years ago as frequently as now, and I think a lot of it has to do with the overall shift, in a post-9/11 world, to approaching everything - keeping the laws on the home turf, and decimating the enemy overseas - as war.

There's no side-picking in this post, just observing phenomena and trying to make sense of it.