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Hi everyone,

I just signed up and wanted to take a moment to introduce myself and lay down my experience up to this point with my spouse who was recently diagnosed with PTSD.

First off, my name is Dave – I’m 31 and have been marred for 4 ½ years. I have a 2 year old boy who is the love of my life and a wife who also is 31 years old. We met going on 10 years ago where we work (she no longer works for the same business).

My relationship with my wife was a very good one for the first few years of us knowing one another. We were married in 2007 and it seems like a lot of things started to go downhill from there. After around a year of being married, a bit short of a year, my wife and I moved in with her parents so we could stop paying rent and save up to buy a house, which we did a year later. Moving in with her parents turned out to be one of the worst experiences for us in our relationship. For the majority of the year that we lived there, she slept in one room and I slept in the other. This had never happened before with us but she was very distant with me socially, intimately and sexually. I could probably count on both my hands the amount of times we slept in the same bed. She drank regularly, not in large quantities but 2-3 drinks every night like clockwork, which again had never happened before. Somehow despite all of this, she managed to get pregnant during that time.

The pregnancy was difficult for both us – for her the difficulties were physical and emotional and for me the difficulty was dealing with her emotions. We bought a house that I didn’t particularly want (out of our price range IMO) but she wanted. When it came to doing the work on the house, it was all me because of the pregnancy (which I have no problem with) and she would come in after the work was done and tell me everything that was wrong with it. She often had panic attacks and bouts of depression – sometimes they would last hours, sometimes days. I chalked it up to her being pregnant although it wasn’t the first time these things had surfaced, especially during the time we lived with her parents.

After the baby was born, things didn’t change that much between us. In our new house I was regularly sleeping in the guest room and she was sleeping in the master bed. I woke up with our son most of the time and took care of night time feedings so she could rest. The panic attacks and depression was ever-present. She had her good days and her bad days but mostly the two mingled with one another on any given day – hours of happiness followed by hours of panic and depression. Work was hard for her and only got harder. As I fast forward, understand that until January of this year she had a boss that, for the most part, treated her well. In January her boss left and another person replaced her who treated my wife (and pretty much every other employee) horribly. The stress of the workplace really started piling up – panic attacks went from being two-three a week to being daily, sometimes multiple times a day.

In July she finally had break down and I took her to a local mental health institution where they put her into an outpatient program from 8-3:30 everyday. This is where the fun really begins…

Now, before I get into her therapy, I need to talk about my own history. When I was 18/19 I was stupid – plain and simple. I attempted suicide and was placed in an inpatient setting for the better part of 2 months, followed by a month outpatient, another month inpatient and another 2 months outpatient. My reason was silly when I look back on it (boy meets girl, girl breaks boys heart – yada yada). When I look back, I recall all of the meds I was put on – the various diagnoses – the group therapy, etc etc. Ultimately, I feel that much of that wasn’t needed and that what I really needed was a good therapist to talk about my issues and that didn’t happen until I got out of the hospital’s various programs. During that time afterward, I had a lot of time to reflect on who I was (at that time) and who I was prior to the meds and made a decision that I was going to get off the meds and continue to get therapy. It worked out well, I felt better in the end and know to this day that I’m a stronger person for what I went through. The hospital therapy sessions were terrible on hindsight – there was so much coddling and telling patients that “this time is for you”. When I got out of those programs, my therapist and my family were able to remind me that I was never a bad person and that everything couldn’t be about “me” that I had responsibilities to my friends, family and, of course, myself. I learned balance, assertiveness and the skills to work through issues that come up in day to day life.

Back to my wife. Since she began the outpatient program I haven’t seen much of a change. Her therapists in the OP program did much the same as the therapists in my program did – telling my wife that this time needs to be all about her an healing herself. She was diagnosed with PTSD due to some past experiences – the main one being that her dad used to beat her viciously (confirmed by her younger sister who didn’t get the beatings but witnessed them). This occurred mainly between the ages of 7 and 14 with my wife and typically when her mom wasn’t home. Since beginning the therapy, she has been put on 3 different medications, all of which have sedative effects and are taken in bulk one hour before she goes to bed. It is scary to me how hard she sleeps. She doesn’t hear me – she doesn’t hear our son. I’ve taken on the majority of the work around the house – cleaning, laundry, taking care of our son, earning the bread…buying the bread. She has really taken to heart the words of her therapists by taking sometimes full, sometimes half days to herself to work on herself. There is no intimacy between us – partly because of what is going on with her and partly because of the resentment I feel for her in neglecting everyone else in her life.

She recently was released (last week) from the outpatient program and now has full days at home – we agreed she is not going back to work at the same place (currently on short-term dis). I have expectations of her as a wife and as a mother and they aren’t being met. She cries about things she needs to help her. Case in point – we have a room in the basement that since she moved in was to be her art room. She would whine and cry and express how she needs to work on her art room to get it ready for herself (note: the room was finished but she wanted it finished differently). So we picked out paint and last week while she was at her session, I took off work so I could start the painting. I finished all of the trim before she came home and I brought her downstairs to show her the progress – her response to it was how I didn’t do what she wanted because she wanted a different brand of white paint for the trim. *sigh* Ok, we argue a bit about her never being happy. Through the week, we worked together to get the majority of the room completed. Saturday night, I couldn’t sleep so I went down to finish touching up the trim and walls and to set up her art table. Sunday morning I bring her down to show her the “completed room” and her response – she doesn’t like the lighting, we need to get new fixtures, I missed spots, the floor needs to be washed. Not even a thank you. We argue again.

Later while my son is napping I finally said it – “I am falling out of love with you. I’m doing everything I can to try and keep you relaxed, to do things that are supposed to make you happy and all I am met with is contempt. It is now your choice to decide if this relationship is going to work. I either am or am not going to be here with you in 6 months and that is up to you. If you want me to stay, you will stop feeling sorry for yourself and start accepting that there is responsibility in life and that your family is going on without you.” She cried much and told me she doesn’t want to lose me.

I am tired…very tired. I am stressed. I left out a lot of details above because I would be here all day writing my intro. I still love my wife. I feel that love is an all-encompassing emotion. I don’t love her figure, or love her looks, or love her intellect, or love her hair, eyes, etc. I love my wife because of all of these little things about her that I like. The problem is the biggest part is that I don’t like who she is right now – I don’t like how she behaves, I don’t like how she treats me, I don’t like how she neglects her family. I am trying so desperately to hang on, to help her through this “in sickness and in health” and I am simply wiped. I’m drained. I feel that love decaying within me and being replaced by all-out resentment.

I’m tried of her meds that don’t work. I’m tired of psychiatrists that don’t listen. I’m tired of therapists that coddle her. I’m tired of her believing all of this garbage about “it’s all about you”. It’s fine to be “all about you” when you have no other responsibility in life but as a wife and mother it is NOT OKAY! I’m so frustrated and just need to relate with some people who can understand what I’m going through. I can fill in details as we go along but for now that’s the gist of what’s been going on. Thank you for reading J
 
Welcome Dave...sounds like you and your family have been through the wringer. Theres a lot of excellent supporters here. Glad you're here.
 

Hi Dragon,

Welcome to the Forum. There is a great supporter section that has information about PTSD, posts on relationship issues, symptoms, and it is also an area to find support for yourself.

You probably don't want to hear someone say, "put yourself first", but in this case it means finding the resources that will help you work through all of what you are going through.

Wishing you peace.
Debbie
 
Hi dragon

Welcome to the forum.

It may sound selfish, but Debbie is right about "Putting yourself first", but it is important as I well know, as do other supporters, that if you dont you will become ill yourself in time.

Taking time out and doing things for yourself away from home does help enormously.

I dont like who my husband is at times, I dont like how he reacts to some things, and I certainly dont like how he is not the man he was. BUT I do know it is not his fault, and I cannot blame or tell him I think like this, it is the PTSD that has caused him to change. He still loves me he is still my husband, just not the man I married. I am now learning more and more, to see that this does not mean it is the end for us, we can keep going and we do have a future together. Different to what we were expecting, but we do still have one.

The following may sound harsh, but this is written from experience.

It is not up to you to "Fix her", only your wife can do that, what you can do is try and learn how whatever her trauma was, is effecting her. But you also have to set up boundaries she cannot cross, as when you do something for her and she does not like it, then dont do it again. If she want the floor washed, then she washes it, if she does not like the painting, then she does it again herself. Your not a mind reader, and your not a skivvy either.

Please try and stop walking on egg shells, the more you do it, the more she will expect you to.

PTSD aside, she is an adult, so she should be acting like one, not a spoilt child demanding this that and the other. Yes she is ill and yes she does need help, but she also needs to put the hard work in to move forward with her recovery. That is her responsibility, it also her responsibility to treat you with respect too.

Take care, we do understand how this effects you too.
 
Hi Dagon, and welcome. Only been here myself a couple of days, but the place does help. And to boot, the people a Nice too, :)

Hope you find what you need.

All the best..........

Anglesachse
 
Hello Dave - I can see so much of myself in what you have written that it's brought tears to my eyes. Like Amethist says, the person you love is still there, it is the PTSD that you don't love. This site has helped me a lot and fingers crossed it will be a help to you too x
 
Hi Dave. I don't have much time, or energy, right now, but wanted to say hi, and welcome, and to say how much I was humbled by your honesty and articulateness in spelling out what is an all-too-common, but all too cruel and brutal, situation. You have come to the right place for the necessary balance of support, suggestion and reality checking and I know that you will be most welcome here.

I wish there was a silver bullet, but we all know there isn't. Your honesty and pragmatism and empathy will carry you a long way though, as meagre as they may seem, don't ever forget they will be among your most valuable resources.

Please keep writing.

Maddog
 
Thanks to all of you for the kind words. Truth be told, no, I don’t want to hear “put yourself first”. Putting myself first is going to make me as selfish as my wife has been. There is something to be said for taking care of one’s self, and I agree fully in making sure I have time here and there to do things that distance me from the all-too-stressful thing I have been dealing with but never – and I mean never – will I do what is best for me if it is at the exception of my family. Never am I going to do something fun or relaxing for myself when at that time I should be fulfilling my responsibilities as a husband and, especially, as a father. When all is said and done and my wife is in bed, my son is in bed, the house is clean, the dishes/laundry done – I have no problem calling up a friend to shoot the crap, or going to grab myself a bite to eat or a beer somewhere, etc. I do that now, I believe it to be a part of a health balance but never will I do those things when other responsibilities need to be finished. I can deal with a couple of rooms that need a cleaning or leaving a few loads of laundry for the next day but so long as my family as conscious and I’m not at the day job, I’m going to be at home taking care of my family.

I suppose that is where my biggest issue has been with what my wife does – there are SO many things that she needs to be doing to perform her responsibilities as a mother, wife and adult. But everything goes to the wayside in order for her to take care of herself. There are limits to how much a healthy adult should pamper themselves and avoiding responsibility is never going to make someone like my wife healthy – especially since she feels horrible when she hasn’t accomplished any of the things that she should be accomplishing.

Amethist, you made some great points and you’re right – a big problem I’ve had is that I do and do and do and always get a negative reaction which only makes me “do” more, leaving me feeling like nothing I do is ever good enough to satisfy her. It probably is high-time that I stop doing those things and force her to do them herself. The catch 22 is that she’s shown historically that if I don’t get involved and do these things, they never get done. Here’s a good example:

Last weekend (weekend of the 17th/18th) we had a really tough go at it and argued quite a bit. When things settled down, I sat her at our kitchen table knowing that in our arguments she was talking about how she can’t relax because she feels there is so much to do. I gave her a piece of paper and asked her to write down her five biggest priorities of things that needed to be done, leaving me and our son off the list (referring only to things that needed to be done “for her”). Her number 1 was finishing the art room – her number 2 was getting hearing aids (she has mod/sev hearing loss). 3-5 were all different things which I haven’t tackled yet. Anyway – so I take her first and grab her calendar and I write down everything that needs to be done to get the art room completed on a day-by-day basis. For example, I say “Monday – tape the walls so you can paint the trim – Monday night – Dave/Jess paint the trim together – Tuesday – remove tape from walls, tape the trim so you can pain the walls – Tuesday night – Dave/Jess paint the walls together…….etc etc. And low and behold, the room is now finished. Now I knew it was this easy but I didn’t want to get involved in doing it…being honest, I HATE painting. Seeing as we’ve lived in the house going on 3 years, it was clear it wasn’t going to get done so that’s why I helped her finish it. In the meantime, when I wasn’t working on that, I worked on contact our insurance and different family members to help get hearing aids. Low and behold, today she is ordering them, paid in full.

My point of this being that despite both of these things being done, supposedly her “big things”, last night all she could do was cry and talk about everything that needs to get done and how she isn’t accomplishing anything. I am very to the point when something needs to get done – I think about what I want, I figure out the steps to get there and I do it. I try to teach her these things and she’ll seem completely understanding but all she does is complain about not knowing how to get things done. It took me one week to get her two biggest things done, things she has been working on for 2 ½ years (art room) and 1 ½ years (hearing aids). Why can’t she get these things done by herself? What is so overwhelming about it?

I am so frustrated these days – I’ve thought long and hard about taking my son and leaving in the middle of the night but I couldn’t do that to him and I couldn’t do that to my wife. He deserves to have a mommy and a daddy and she is a good mother when she’s around him. I take my marital vows seriously, they weren’t just words I said so I could get a ring – “Until death do you part”, not “Until one of you gets too frustrated”. I want to give up but I don’t want to give up; it’s a great divide and it is tearing me in half, bit by bit, each day. I try to justify leaving her by saying to myself that she isn’t the same person I married but the other part of me chimes in to remind me that she is the same person but is sick.

I wish I cold go into her past and destroy all of those who did her harm. Her father is still around and I can’t stand to be around him. I have two “unforgiveables” – 1) I think no one should ever be forgiven for rape, 2) I think no one should ever be forgiven for blatant child abuse. Him, this grown man who holds himself so high and mighty, used to beat his 7-14 year old daughter relentlessly with metal brackets, kick her down stairs, kicked her around in a puddle of her own urine that she couldn’t hold in out of fright. Yet she tells me how she’s forgiven him. I can’t do it…I hate him. How dare anyone do that to a child. I see him and I snicker – he sits in the same room as me, I get up and leave – he tries to small talk me, I short answer him and walk away - I have no desire to associate with him. I at least find some solace in the hope that there is a special place in hell for him and others like him. I feel like he ruined his daughter. I look at my son and I can’t imagine doing those things to him…what kind of person would that make me? Being a man has nothing to do with your ability to beat a child or a woman.

I’m so full of anger, hate, worry, sadness, guilt – every emotion I have when it comes to my wife anymore is a negative one. I never feel excited, content, happy when I think of her.

Anyway – sorry, this rant wound up going on longer than it should have…I’ve got a lot built up inside and I feel like it’s all coming out in some disorganized mess in these writing but it’s rumored this will help clear my mind and make me feel better, so what the hell, I might as well give it a shot. Thanks again for reading.
 
Hi Dagon
My point of this being that despite both of these things being done, supposedly her “big things”, last night all she could do was cry and talk about everything that needs to get done and how she isn’t accomplishing anything. I am very to the point when something needs to get done – I think about what I want, I figure out the steps to get there and I do it. I try to teach her these things and she’ll seem completely understanding but all she does is complain about not knowing how to get things done. It took me one week to get her two biggest things done, things she has been working on for 2 ½ years (art room) and 1 ½ years (hearing aids). Why can’t she get these things done by herself? What is so overwhelming about it?

I guess it is hard to understand, my wife of 20 years has the exact same problems with me, as you are having with the love of your life.

We moved home 4years ago, a total rebuild. I was here from dawn till dusk, ripping out ceilings and plaster from walls, so we could completely rewire and replum the whole house. It a ll started great got loads done, it was livable, and we were able to move in within 4 months, everything replastered,painted, doors in, windows fitted. the whole 9 yards. But there are still a few things that need doing to smarten the place up now.

then just over 2 year ago, I hit a realy bad patch. My childhood caught up with me. My military history caught up with me. Everything at the same time. It was like the earth just opened up and swallowed me. It got to the stage where I ended up in a clinic, with my wife saying she wouldnt put up with it any more, and wanted a divorce.

the time in the clinic I couldnt even sort out somewhere to live, just talking to some one was to much. even though I knew I would end up on the street. Well me and my wife have gotten back together, she now understands a lot more as to why I am as I am, but still here at home there are things that need doing.

I have even made lists with my therapist, on the things that I need to do, and it has taken me 1.5 years to finish tiling the bathroom (an area less than 1sq meter). what I am trying to explain is that allthough I know what needs doing I am totaly incompetant at doing it alone. I need some one to tell me what to do, otherwise all I see is how much there is to do, and when I finish something, all I see is how much there is to do. and not what I have done. I still only see the negative stuff, the work that needs doing. It`s all just to overwhelming.

I have a feeling I haven`t realy said what I wanted to, but I hope it helps in understanding why................

anglesachse
 
Dragon, I do understand your point about "If you don't do it it don't get done". Yes we all go through that, and how you sat her down to write a list of what her biggest priorities were, maybe keep that up on a weekly basis, but go for the small ones first. Big ones can be too over whelming.

Have you thought about doing the same for yourself, if she sees you doing it, it may encourage her to see how it can help.

Also instead at getting angry about all of the things your wife is doing, take some time to read why she is saying and being as she is. A PTSD stress cup is way, way different from an everyday Stress cup. Even getting out of bed in the morning can seem way too much some days.

If you have not yet read the PTSD stress cup explanation, I have posted the link for it below for you.

[DLMURL]https://www.ptsdforum.org/c/threads/the-ptsd-cup-explanation.13737/[/DLMURL]

As for not wanting to hear that you should "Put yourself first" , your not alone with that one, every supporter who joins here does not want to hear that ever. But put it this way, if you have been invited out to a wedding or an evening out with friends of you both, and your really looking forward to going. You have child care sorted if it is an evening event, you have it all planned all sorted, then at the last minute your wife says, "I cant go, it is too much for me". Are you going to back out of every invitation you get, because your wife does not want to, or can't go. It is not easy to go alone, when you are both expected there, but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and go alone. Or the anger and the resentment could get worse, yes I did say resentment.

Sometimes you do have to stand back and look at your whole life as a supporter of PTSD, and change what you can, when you can, to make life easier and better for you both. If this means going out alone, sticking to some plans yourself, when they back out, then do it. It is not easy and it does drive you nuts, but there comes a time when something has to give, before you give up all together.

We all have our bad days as supporters, I have just had a few of my own. But learning from others who have been there before us does help.

Amethist
 
First of all I want to commend you dragon for all the work you do. You are doing a great job trying to keep it together. It's so good that you are trying not just for you, but also for your son. I think it's fantastic that you are stepping up to the plate.

I feel really bad for how hard you are trying and yet you don't seem to be getting anywhere--that always makes things more frustrating because we all want to see results for our efforts. I feel bad that your wife isn't giving you the appreciation that you really deserve. However, behind the scenes in your sons eyes you are a hero. He may not say it, and he may not know it fully--but he will as he grows up. You are being watched and appreciated by him.

It is so hard when someone has an illness to know how much can they control? How much can they change? I also agree that sometimes there is too much emphasis on take care of yourself. I'm sure that must be meant with some kind of consideration for the demands of life. One ought to be able to care for oneself and care for ones responsibilities as well. I mean dishes get dirty and need to get washed. We may not want to--but we must wash them. :) Then if we need to take an hour say to write in a journal then we could do that also.

I'm not really sure why your wife can't do some of these household things while she is taking care of herself? I feel concern about the state of her deppression--I know that severe deppression can make someone a bit comatose (unable to do things). As you express as well concern over her medication, could that be making things worse?

I'm not trying to be insensitive to her condition, but it sounds like she has something pretty severe. I guess the doctors probably won't let you talk to them to find out more details about her condition.

I'm not sure how you can help her, if she is able and capable, to help you out more with the chores around the house. Actually, staying busy getting things done around the house does have a bit of therapy to it. It's actually good to stay a bit active and to have the satisfaction of accomplishment. I don't know if she physically can do these things.

Sometimes in relationships it can get into a situation where it's almost an impass. Say one person wants the other to do things and by contrast the other person feels pushed and resentful. Then it's a no win situation. Does she perceive you as pushing her? Does she feel you are insensitive to her feelings or that you lack understanding? Is she just completly shutting down to life? Does she show any emotion to your son?

I guess for now you may just have to figure you are a single parent. It's good that you are giving it the time it needs to sort through it. I think it's good to try your best and your all. She does need you, but right now she is having a hard hard time.

My last concern/question is that--does she have a close friend that she talks to? Is she able to open up with anybody to express herself? What about maybe some sort of intervention--other friends or family that you could express that you guys need help? Would she listen to anybody else not a T?

I'm sure most people would understand your plight and maybe gently be able to help her see the need to make just a few adjustments for you. I'm sure you would be happy with just a little support and at least encouragement.

One other thing is that if this is the first time she is getting Therapy for her past--many people say that getting Therapy actually makes their condition worse initially. This was the case with my husband Therapy made him worse in some ways. So that could be why she is having a particularly hard time.

Hang in there--you are doing great. I know you love her and she is worth all the extra effort for right now. Just think if the roles were reversed you would want her to stick it out for you. However, you do need some help and she needs to make a few changes for you--so I sincerely hope that you can get those things.
 
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