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Relationship Newly married to former combat marine

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No, no. By all means continue to be the mean spirited, nasty, controlling wife. It seems to be working so well for you.

Sorry you're hurting. But you're snide remarks are upsetting to me so I'm out.

Good luck!
 
I have had it myself...from a MAN that tortured me. I am well aware. I have done my work and therapy for YEARS,

Plenty of times I want to lash out...I DON"T. I do not do anything. I say, stop it, leave me be, get away from me etc. You know nothing about me, at all. How dare you label me. I am here to vent. I am hurting.

Nothing snide there at all! You are like him, attack attack attack! WOW

Damn, he hid his true self well until after marriage. Explain that?
 
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Is he willing to do couples therapy or work on his anger in counseling more?

Keep setting boundaries. He's out of line to be screaming at you to the point you feel physically in danger or to ask you to swim in a marina - that is super duper dangerous. :hug:
 
He wanted to swim, not make me. We just got the boat and I learned about the risks on marina swimming and we agreed we would take heed and protect ourselves by obeying the NO SWIMMING SIGNS posted for a REASON. If controlling someone means preventing their early death, I will take that label. Good woman look out for their men. They don't let them destroy themselves. My "control" took him from $50k a year to $107k last year. Yeah what a pain in the ass.:D

I am worried as he doesn't seem to take any ownership of it. We can't go to therapy regularly because of work. I am not sure why he goes. It ends up being a discussion more focused on how I should act when he flips out. He gets even more enraged when I say anything like "stop, enough, settle down". Now I just sit there, miserable, while he rants and raves. It's shitty. I hate it. What's needed is more attention to why it happens, the root cause. Why does he do it to me and not at work? We just married. How horrible could I be? I am not. To quote him, I am "an amazing, remarkable woman" in a recent message to my father, in March.

I choose my words so so so carefully in situations. I speak softly, like a little mouse, when i am an alpha woman, he knows this, it is why he married me!!! He likes my intelligence. So, when something occurs, how can I be the little wife? It doesn't make sense and that is not going to work. Even suggestions like, "We will handle it, let's not ruin the day please" if we are out having fun. Nope. Cannot say that, makes him mad. Rarely have time together, I want it to be positive and fun. Nope. Got to just take it.

After the major, major blow out right after marriage, I was simply told, "Hey, Im not perfect, Sorry". Even though I was TRAUMATIZED. When I spoke to him again, he was flippant, "I knew you couldn't stay mad forever".
 
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Ah, ok I see.

You might have more luck in getting the results you want with setting boundaries - which isn't about controlling others, but ourselves. We can't really change or control others anyhow.

You were smart to not let him put his life in danger and I can see why you tell him to stop and settle down - and yet at the same time, I can see why he escalates. Not your fault, and totally his responsibility.

You be responsible for you and put all the responsibility for him on him. If you keep trying to manage him for him, you both will keep resenting each other.

Instead, try using language like "when you... I feel... and if you choose to do.... I will choose to..." and STICK to it.

Then he's an adult responsible for himself and you still get to be the kick ass woman that you are who loves him and makes it clear where your limits are. Does that make sense?
 
I do that. Softly. i said on the boat, "I feel hurt and scared" etc. I do all the I feel crap. All the time. Even if calm, he won't see. He just deflects. Waits to respond. No, " I can see why that hurts and I will do my best to refrain"., He cannot own it. He will NOT. I tell him, " I need respect and kindness". He just says, "I expect the same"., You see the wording" He tries to make out we are equally bad. He is so eager to share the blame.

Look, enough of his shit eventually will trigger me. All the work I have done, years and years, I do not want to regress. I also do not want to be a martyr, the long suffering wife. I do not really know wtf, my head is spinning as I am here again, having been with an angry man before. What kills me, is how awesome I am to him yet it is not enough. It hurts. Anger is so pointless, so hurtful, so awful to endure. He tells people I pick pick pick, like I am this crazy, nagging wife. I'm not. I simply say, like I said, back off, get away, stop it, enough is enough. I can't believe the only fix is me just sit there while he rants, knowing it drives me berzerk. I know. The next time it happens, if we are out wherever doing whatever, I will leave. Go home. Day is OVER. Sigh. Even that sucks.
 
My heart breaks for the little family I'll never have it seems. I'm it. They nearly all dead. On bed crying. Wtf do I do. I'm 40. No fairytales please or adopting shit. I trusted him.
 
We did the couples therapy as he made out he was worried about MY issues, that is the ironic part. SMH.
This could be projection or even gaslighting on his part. He does need to deal with his own stuff too.
I will say it again, if it is PTSD, and he cannot control it, why does he never, EVER have an issue at work, 70 hours a week in sales, which is terribly challenging, stressful environment?
This is not uncommon with PTSD -- and even those who engage in outright domestic violence at home. They can be great in the workplace and jerks at home. PTSD caused or not, it isn't an excuse to rage. Knowing it could be PTSD related only helps explain why he does it and what he needs to do to learn to stop. It doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his behavior.
I can't believe the only fix is me just sit there while he rants, knowing it drives me berzerk. I know. The next time it happens, if we are out wherever doing whatever, I will leave. Go home. Day is OVER. Sigh. Even that sucks.
Good. Just telling him how you feel when he rages and asking him to stop isn't setting a boundary. Getting up and going home and choosing to no longer interact with him - THATS a boundary. It keeps you safe, reduces the trigger, and leaves him responsible for figuring out how to change and be calm if he wants to interact with you.

I'm so sorry you are going through this. I am both a sufferer and a supporter, and it would trigger and scare me too. :hug:
 
Thank you so much, from my heart. I am looking for a new therapist and need to talk so very very much. I have but one friend to talk to. H is so mad at me because I told my dad and now dad kicked him off Facebook. He tells me, yeah good job, your dad kicked me off. I said, YOUR FAULT.

So surely you agree. Like any abusive man, if they can control it at work, they can control it. Period. They choose not to with us. That's my whole thing. Why treat me worse? Just because I'm not buying a car, I'm just the wife? I treat my loved ones better not worse!! And, only after marriage did he really lose it? So, he did control it all that time.

He needs to see, get help for the root cause. It's eating at him, it won't just go away.

Please know, we planned this family before marriage, almost from the start. I trusted him with my last chances of having a child. Now I see this side. I feel betrayed, tricked and dicked around. For the abuse I received on here earlier, men out there do not realize this is not a rehearsal, there is no second chance for us women. Once we are older, no kids. There is no option. I am allowed to be angry, hurt, frustrated. He knew of my plans and agreed. I was clear from the start and that's my right. I want a little family, so much it hurts. I volunteered in Africa at an orphanage, I am a nurturer. I thought I found the greatest man to be my hubby and father of our child. This is horrific.
 
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I do say you will end up alone. I absolutely think I should.
Okay, just keep in mind that sometimes lashing out is a response to stress, being triggered, or scared. When my vet lashes out, his go to is telling me to leave, the relationship is over, and he is done with me. Does he mean it? No. How do I know this? Because he says the exact same thing every time he lashes out. It's his go to. Why is telling me to leave his go to? Maybe because he's scared I can find someone without PTSD that can treat me better, maybe because he feels guilty that he can't treat me the way I deserve, maybe because he's scared that I'm getting so close. Or I could be giving him too much credit. But if he is lashing out from a place of insecurity or fear? Then my telling him "you will end up alone" is just going to reinforce the fear and the insecurities that's causing him to lash out in the first place.

They need to know we will walk if they do not alter their ways.
Yes, I agree. But what's more helpful than saying, "you will end up alone", is to find a more concrete boundary with a specific consequence, like "if you raise your voice at me, I will walk away and not continue the conversation", or "if you ever physically threaten me, I will end the relationship". Although, I'm sure with the therapy and the couple's counseling, this is not a new concept to you.

It is a CHOICE. Knowing this does help. Knowing that he controls himself at work, better than you can believe. Around their partners, they just don't see the point.
Oh man. I am always pro-sufferer, pro-relationship with most of my comments, but this last part I struggle with. He doesn't care about his co-workers like he cares about you. He doesn't worry about living up to his co-workers expectations like he does yours. His co-workers don't know him like you do. He's not worried about disappointing his co-workers like he does you. I may be giving your guy too much credit here, he could be an ass for all I know, but "they just don't see the point" does not seem fair to me at all. You know who my vet lashes out at most often? Me, his brother, his mother, his best friend. Sure, sometimes the asshole driver will get a piece of his mind, or the slow walker at the grocery store will get a snide comment, but typically, it's his closest circle.

We did the couples therapy as he made out he was worried about MY issues
Mine does this shit all the time. Shifts all blame on me, turns everything around on me, because he can't handling dealing with his own shit. Projecting onto me.

Like I said, how do we know it's PTSD? He has mentioned stuff from his past before Iraq. Why does he control it at work so well? If you seem to think he can't? Support? You think I belittle him? I shouldn't have come. What about MY traumatic past? Where is MY compassion and understanding? h is nice as pie to others. SMH. I have to hold his hand and be sweet when he is ripping me apart? I cry to him.
Look....you're right when you said PTSD isn't an excuse for bad behavior. So what does it matter if this is PTSD or not, then? If you can't handle his behavior, what's the plan? I'm not saying it's yours and only your responsibility to fix this or to come up with a plan but, based on what you're saying, he's not going to worry about shit. So that means....it is on you. You can leave or you can stay. What you put up with if you stay, as you also said, is up to you. If you've hit your breaking point, then leave. Right?

Look, enough of his shit eventually will trigger me.
Based on your responses here, sounds like you may already be at that point. I understand you're upset. Read through the posts here, we've all been through this shit and more.
 
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