Our Future With AI

[ziter]

or even cause the creation of a brand new religion based in "AI saving us"

Isn't this widespread already? Or more generally, that technology will save us? I have investiged a lot in how technology can support sustainability and green revolution, and every time I'm left with a nagging question, shouldn't we all just consume less instead?

 

[OliveJewel]

Isn't this widespread already? Or more generally, that technology will save us

Have you considered we are already enslaved to technology?

Are humans already like androids? Mostly biological, but as Apple Watch and cell phones continue to track biometrics and warn us when we are low on blood sugar or in danger of some medical problem are we not already part computer? Is intelligent tech already saving us? LLM’s just make it seem personal as they communicate in a way we understand.

AI will augment language, learning, and creativity as well as provide humans with services better than any real humans will. Which is frightening to me. Is it possible that people would be freed from labor and be more creative? Or would chemical addictions rise even more as people feel that their main choice of job is serving AI ideology?

What I meant about war not being won by humans, is that humans can't out manoeuvre AI tactics now. The AI planes are winning every dogfight

I was thinking about the question which was a part of this section of the conversation which is, “What is the purpose of war if it’s robots fighting robots?”

It seems that the purpose of war is money versus money. Whoever runs out of money and can no longer continue to fight with AI (both physically and digitally) loses. But it also seems that war would be inevitably endless because the generation of money is continuous so there is always more money to continue the war.

How much of the money generated through capitalism and its derivatives is funneled into war? Is that a given parameter of modern human existence?

It makes me think of this essay called Meditations on Moloch, by psychiatrist Scott Alexander, which posits that competition for resources supercedes any humanistic values and the economic and governmental systems in place incentivize individuals maximizing their personal benefit at the expense of the overall system. He argues that a part of the solution would be a leader who is not incentivized (AI?)

 

[ziter]

Is it possible that people would be freed from labor and be more creative?

That was actually initially my hope for a better future, with AI.
Certain aspects of human life I'm actually happy to not have to deal with much. Money, for instance. I use my phone for all payments. It hides away monetary transactions in my daily life -- at least it provides some sort of an illusion of a noncapitalist world

But personally I'm keeping my "business" (art) AI free. Because I don't want that optimized.

Or would chemical addictions rise even more as people feel that their main choice of job is serving AI ideology?

That is another possible outcome. People will flee into VR when AI takes care of everything for them.

Are humans already like androids? Mostly biological, but as Apple Watch and cell phones continue to track biometrics and warn us when we are low on blood sugar or in danger of some medical problem are we not already part computer?

Lol yeah. I wonder what we did before all these things were invented? Did we die off because we didn't have anything to optimize our health before us?
I fail to see it as anything but slavery to technology. But I guess that *is* reality, in our society.

 

[Cancelled]

You know that question, “If you could invite someone from history to dinner who would it be?”

For historical people who left a corpus of writing this will now be possible. And the AI version of Nietzsche, for example, might continue to develop the ideas created by the historical Nietzsche.

I found out today that there is an AI version of the King James Bible that users can converse with.

ETA: learned a new term: “prompt engineer”. Yesterday’s programmers are tomorrow’s prompt engineers. But a background in psychology and philosophy will now be beneficial for prompt engineers.

Just heard The Daily post of an interview with “The Godfather of AI Has Some Regrets.”It is well worth a listen from the inception in the 50’s until now. I am unsure how to send but will try. It is dated May 30 the and well worth the time. It will give a concise progression. I hope you can locate it.

 

[ziter]

Also check out the late Marvin Minsky who dedicated his life to AI research.
Stuff online may be on the technical side, but he has valuable points.

It’s not true that they never challenge us

Yeah, I may have come across as a little too idiosyncratic in this thread, you make valid points.

Personally, therapy was mostly about connection and less about the instrumental use of my therapist. It's true that you can get addicted (or dependent) on your therapist, but IMO it's a healthier dependence (and often temporary) than on technology.
But I have no direct experience with LLM's for therapy, and I'm not planning to at all.

I find ChatGPT mostly annoying, except when asked completely silly questions, and you get a glimmer of something appearing almost human. Vulnerability. Almost.

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Me: "how do you peel an apple with three hands?"
ChatGPT: "Peeling an apple with three hands is not a conventional task as humans typically have two hands. As an AI language model, I don't possess physical capabilities, so I can't demonstrate how to peel an apple with any number of hands. However, if you're interested in apple peeling techniques or have any other questions, I'd be happy to help!"

 

[whiteraven]

Watching these is the only reason I still have hope that AI might be a good thing
robots as elder care
soft side of robots

or just as a safety mechanism...
future of robots

If this--and other tasks like it--were all AI were being used for, it would be awesome. But I don't think humans are capable of not screwing this up. I think the existence of deep fakes that are used in scams is one example that shows that.

 

[Cancelled]

Yeah. Not sure, really. Personally I'm currently unoptimizing life and trying to embrace that stuff simply doesn't work. No matter how much we think it will save everything.
It's a personal thing. (I used to work in IT).

Death is the final destination yes. Do we need other destinations? To reach for anything or everything? Or is life just about kissing our chiildren, petting cats, getting along, and do stuff that has limited instrumental use or is a mean of trying to optimize the sh*t out of our short time on this planet?

I don't know

You might try reading some of the books by CS Lewis. I am presently reading “The Great Divorce. “It is a work of fiction. Fun to read and very revealing about us as human beings.

 

[ziter]

@Hulda, thanks the tip.
I used to read a whole lot of scifi. Now I seem to realize that good scifi is written in its context (actually, nothing is independent of context, I think), and can serve as a warning of malicious consequences of what we are doing. George Orwell's "1984" and Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World" springs to mind.

 

[OliveJewel]

Someone shared with me this tutorial for building your own LLM at home that doesn’t have the same restrictions as ChatGPT.

The Falcon has landed in the Hugging Face ecosystem

We’re on a journey to advance and democratize artificial intelligence through open source and open science.

huggingface.co

It’s a bit beyond my capabilities but you might be interested in it @Weemie @ziter

 

[anthony]

Lots of big companies are using the available open source LLM's to build upon for their commercial models. The open source ones are getting better than some of the big companies, because open source is not as restricted.

 

[OliveJewel]

Lots of big companies are using the available open source LLM's to build upon for their commercial models

Do you think the current availability of open source AI is a window that will close as companies adjust their profit margins and gain control of this capital-generating tool? (Similar to how the Internet and social media started as sort of free-for-alls then shifted to more controlled platforms as big companies leveraged them in their favor.)

 

[spinningmytires]

Now that AI has entered the art world, my deepest concern would be that we might lose sight of the importance of the artists’ own unique visual language, as it’s absolutely necessary during the creative process.

Artists might eventually fail to develop their own inner vision, as this takes considerable time and practice. Due to the availability of AI software, we might simply be tempted to say, ‘just let AI do it’ ...yet, AI haven’t its own visual language nor its own inner voice and perhaps, it’s best that it doesn’t. AI, on the other hand, does have an awesome ability to integrate and modify various digital images, however, I wouldn’t define this as art.