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Our Own Worst Enemies - Opinions Please

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One of the primary keys to healing the wounds of PTSD is the removal of stressors. Stressors, as I define them are people, places, things and even memories that contribute to our "stress bank." Our personal "stress banks" contain above average amounts of stress if we are truly suffering from PTSD. Most of us would do nearly anything to try and reduce the intake of more stress. This is why it is so easy to isolate ourselves. Stressors come in every shape and form in the course of every day living.

A person not suffering from PTSD might hear a child suddenly burst out in loud laughter. This is normal to them and should bring joy and satisfaction because of the happiness associated with a child's laughter. For someone suffering PTSD, hearing the very same outburst of laughter, this may cause a "startle response" and be an irritant. Perhaps the sufferers trauma is associated with sudden loud noises such as the crash of impact in an automobile accident or gunfire.

Heightened stress levels affect every aspect of daily living for anyone. They can be, and often are, debilitating for someone suffering PTSD. Therefore, the first measure to be considered in caring for someone with PTSD should be to eliminate as many stressors as possible and help the sufferer create an environment conducive to his or her healing process.

This should be done carefully with full participation of the sufferer. Specific stressors should be defined and removed from the sufferers environment. No environment can be totally stress free, but to eliminate as much stress as possible is paramount. If those who are closest to them, their caretakers and family, do not defuse the stressors in his or her environment, the person suffering from PTSD will often take matters into their own hands and remove themselves from an unhealthy environment.

By the time a sufferer has reached the "end of their rope" to the point of taking matters into their own hands they are more than likely acting out of impulse as a matter of self survival, an animal instinct. Their choices are not often based on wisdom but rather a need to be in control of at least some aspect of their recovery. This is often referred to as the "fight or flight" response.

Those who care for them often see this as rebellion, even hostility. What follows is often a breakdown in commitment. The sufferer is finding some solace in the control he/she is wielding in defining their own environment while the carer is finding peace at not taking the brunt of the mood swings of the sufferer. The merry go round slows down for both of them and if not reconciled often leads to separation.
 
First I don't think it's a matter of "removing" stressors. I think that goes more towards the avoidance aspect of PTSD. It's about learning to manage and cope with the stress in life so as we cope with it, we can get it out of our stress cup. Also, it is my understanding that if something that stresses you or causes you to become hyper vigilant, you should not avoid it, but have exposure to it so in time it does not have the same affect on you.

I think truly what needs to happen is someone with PTSD needs to learn the necessary skills to ground and calm themselves, then they will be able to handle stressors and triggers. By avoiding their triggers, they will continue to be triggered for a long time. They will never really get better. They are just avoiding those things that cause uncomfortable feelings...which again is one aspect of PTSD - avoidance.
 
Interesting point, my nervous system went into a dorsal vagal reposnse, (energy saving) and I started to remove responsibilities from my life quite subconsciously. This is on top of/in parallel too any avoidance behaviours. I'm a little confused by it all. My avoidance behaviour was almost entirely due to the blame and stigma projected onto me by friends, family, professionals who implied blame for me not being able to overcome my symptoms yet did little to aid me. I feel like a weight has been lifted off me but now I am physically incapable of being as active as I'd like. I now can explain my 'odd' behaviour to myself in a different context. In one sense it means I can cover the root cause with the 'secondary medical facts-story' if I chose to. In another it's all just compounding and exhausting. I have to start building again from an entirly new view point and set of capabilities. It's scary and I have to stop myself from wondering too much what it might mean for the future. I wouldn't call myself my own worst enemy though, far from it, I am my own advocate, project manager, medical researcher, personal trainer, life coach and god knows what else, like a lot of people here I suspect. I keep me going and stoke my hope that I will find someone to share my modified yet eternally hopeful life with.

I heard of a guy on the news who had all his limbs shortened by amputation ( at the knees and elbows) in his mid twenties, 20 years later he is swimming different stretches of water all over the world. I know neurobiological illness isn't as obvious as physical incapacitation but I hope that one day I'll be able to contribute something to its being more widely received. :tup:
 
I used to avoid going to crowded places like clubs, large events and big family celebrations to ease my fear of not being in control of the situation. I get nervous and paranoid. I think I see my kidnappers in the crowd and I run away and leave.

About a year ago I started to go to the clubs with my friends and I slowly started to feel okay by being there.

But about a month ago I went out to the club with my friends and this weird freaky guy walked into the club and saw me and kept making circle's around the bar while staring at me. He was definitely not dressed to be in a club, he had a plain white t-shirt and board shorts and flip flops on. I got paranoid and scared so my friend and I got out of the club and went to another club. Guess what?? In 2 minute's he was at the next club walking around and staring at me again!! So I told my friend we will go in and out of clubs till we lose him and head to my car. Thank God it worked!! But still very paranoid I called the police and told them the situation and they told me to drive to the nearest police station and they'll be outside waiting for me. (Witch is 2 minute's away) And so I did. There was this car following me (I think) but at the last turn to get to the police station it drove straight. After talking to the police I had them drive behind me to my house.

Ever since I haven't been to no clubs anymore!! And I don't care how much of a bore I've become, I'm not going back either!!
 
Just by way of playing my own devils advocate ...after nearly two decades of life with ptsd I have put my foot down and demanded the correct treatment (what a diva!) and I have stopped all 'business as normal' until I receive it. Going to treatment centre in Scotland next Thursdaywith frighteningly qualified people. Now you could argue that this approach isn't helpful but neither was struggling on with it and slowly being crushed, whilst scratching my head abut why everything was such a herculean effort.. Yes it's not exactly 'keep calm and carry' on but my body couldn't take it any more so the decision at some point gets taken out of your hands regardless. Quite a relief really.
 
Yes, exactly, my body or 'heart' or 'self' won't go back to how I could manage before, and I am unsure as to how to go forward in the future. But I am learning, so far some things I can overcome better, and I guess I am learning no matter hard I 'try' (truly) some things I just cannot. However, I might have to accept that.

Good luck Springer, I think it will go great. :) (((((Springer)))))
 
I disagree with the response that pretty much says removing of any stressor is avoidance. Not so.

Can't work because your PTSD is bad? Buck up! No avoiding work!

Toxic person in your life? You're weak if you don't put up with their BS!

I can only assume someone who has such an attitude does not have an extreme reaction to certain stressors that I do. Sometimes we get so stressed that stressors MUST be removed. (Hospitalization, anyone?) many stressors were removed from my life. I am not working and on disability. My money is managed by my family. I left school in the middle of my studies. Is this avoidance? No. It's survival. Stressors are being reintroduced as I grow in strength. Now I'm going back to school. I'm getting a better grasp on my finances. So on and so forth. I literally could not handle these things when I was at my worst. And without removing them, my healing would have been hindered.

So please think before making blanker statements that say such things as removing stressors is avoidance which is bad.
 
I had a houseful of kids. Rather than modifying the environment I tried to acclimate. It was a disaster.
 
I've got to say I am getting a little scared of how 'sedate' I need things to be right now. And as I'm going to this Trauma Clinic to see Dawn Harris I'm supposed to be thinking about how to adapt for the future not quietly freaking out in a measured sort of way, whilst trying to piece together whats happend.

I've posted on a thread regarding memory and gullibility etc recently. I'm afraid of how fuzzy my head is. I read somewhere that a reduction in the hippocampus is a measured symptom in veterans. Well I'm starting to wonder if mines shrank back into its shell too. Which is alarming because in order to overcome the stigma and not be beaten down by the 'nay-sayers' I've always kept to the position that PTSD is an emotional illness and that I can overcome it. BUt I'm starting to wonder, I believe I had an adrenal tumor in 2004 that hasn't been checked out. I'm scared about my nervous system, blood pressure and neurobiological damage. Adrenal tumours perpetuate ptsd symptoms. I don't know how much of my ptsd is cognitive, physical, or what and I'm already distressed by my general level of confusion,. I burst out crying when they told me I had Chronic Vitmain D Deficincy because it explained so much and I felt free from some of the blame. If PTSD develops into a physical condition it means freedom from the 'you do it to yourself/must try harder' lot. But it negates all struggle for the emotions that were dismissed. They can turn round and say 'it wasn't emotional after all'.

Here in lies an issue for me. Blame. And there seems to be a few threads with it in as an underlying (or not so) theme. Adrenal fatigue isn't really recognised as a problem by the health care profession (live strong website). If the medical profession deny or botch my diagnoses for so long I acquiesce to the blame and those around me reinforce it, that's shocking! If I had had a full physical, hormonal, assessment when I first went to get help in 1999, I can only imagine were I would be health wise. Far FAR more important though, I wouldn't have eaten away at my own self esteem and paid for the pleasure of going to a counsellor to cope with it. FAR MORE important still I would have had the right information to put detractors in their place and to be able to inform friends of what was actually going on rather than being increasingly and mysteriously absent. I wouldn't have felt a failure when I couldn't manage college etc. In fact up until this week I have enjoyed being on this forum but man am I annoyed that BLAME is masquerading in here too. Or own lack of knowledge on the subject as a community is at the bottom of it I'm sure. But it may surprise you to find that I don't need the stress! :dead:

(Rant over now, please don't anyone take it personally and it's not specific to this thread). :eek:
 
Oh Springer, I'm sorry, and I can totally relate. It has taken me this long to have the tiniest understanding of what you just expressed.

I wish I could get (more) forward, to reduce the self-blame and such, but what I try to accomplish it seems I am unable, or unable as to yet. Over-and-above stressors. It is hard to know if it is (all) because I am my own worst enemy, or just at my capacity to overcome some things.

(((((Hugs))))
 
I had a houseful of kids. Rather than modifying the environment I tried to acclimate. It was a disaster.
Our first attempt at acclimating will not always be a success. Maybe try looking at what didn't work well, account for that and try again? I seem to be in the minority in my thinking - but I refuse to accept the way my life is right now. I have tried things to work through these symptoms, some were a success some were a failure. I look at what went wrong and try try again.

I personally don't want to accept a life where I have to avoid any and all potential triggers and stressors. Sometimes I make the wrong decision and there are dire consequences, but I will ask for help, try again, and eventually I will succeed. We are all capable of learning skills and modifying certain things in our lives to live at least close to how we used to. Sure, things won't be exactly the same, but it can be better than our current way of life. It takes time and hard work, but is worth it in my book.
 
Oh Springer, I'm sorry, and I can totally relate. It has taken me this long to have the tiniest understanding of what you just expressed.

(((((Hugs))))

Thanks Junebug, I suppose it's good that I can still get pis*** off about it! Please don't take your thoughts about your capabilities to your heart. It's just what you've been told for a long time by people who where ignorant of the facts. And as the medical profession is included in this no wonder you take their opinions on board. It's harsh. I can't believe some times I was essentially in therapy for how the stigma effected my behaviour and self esteem. I was paying someone to reinforce that that there was something 'inherently defective' about me.

Take it easy.....:hug:
 
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