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Panic Attacks After Work

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I'm working as a manager at a Domino's pizza here in town.

I'm being surprisingly successful. The people who work there are mostly guys, which oddly enough is helping me. The only times I have problems is when they congregate in one small area and I feel like a very small person surrounded by giant people who could hurt me.

But mostly, I do ok with the work. I can always wiggle out of groups and go to a different station, or fold boxes, or do dishes. I keep busy and when I'm doing good I can hit kind of a pizza-related zen state where there is no past and there is no future, there is just the next thing my hands need to do. I am trying to visualize it as a pizza bubble. It surrounds me, it's warm, it smells good, and nothing really bad happens there. I did get flustered by a customer and have to go cry in the stock room once, and once I dropped a pizza, but everybody was nice to me and fixed it.

I was surprised when they hired me as a manager, because people skills are not my biggest thing.

OK- here are my big problems, and maybe you guys can help me with something here so I can succeed at this job.

1- upset customers. As a manager, I have to be able to deal with upset customers. Dominoes has a policy where you apologize, give the person what they want, then give them something extra. I am ok with apologize, but when they are being very unreasonable and yelling in my face, it's hard for me to give them what they want. I feel deeply threatened, and my fight or flight kicks off and I feel like if I give them what they want, they will percieve it as weakness and attack me.

I know this is illogical, but it's very strong. I really feel like if I give this crazy, yelling, ugly person what they want, that they'll know I'm weak and they'll come after me physically. When I get done dealing with a person like that, I'm shaking like a junkie and almost incoherant. It feels like appeasing a bully, and it doesn't feel safe.

2- GM yelling at me. Sometimes I do something wrong, and the general manager fusses at me. The sharp words tend to send me into a panic. I will do anything they tell me to do. I will do it the way they want every time. If I mess up, all they have to do is tell me what I did wrong and I will fix it and do it right the next time. They know this, which is why they promoted me to assistant manager. BUT... how do I explain to them that they really, really need to not yell at me? Without sounding like I'm copping an attitude? One of the bosses pulled me outside to tell me I was not delegating enough, but the way she did it triggered me. I could barely breathe by the time we got outside the store. When she went in, I thought I was going to barf behind the dumpster.

My question is, is there a way I can self-advocate, speak up and say, "I totally don't mind being corrected, but I really need you to be careful how you do it because I am prone to panic attacks? or I have PTSD?" Or...well. I really don't know what to say.

3- while I am in my "pizza bubble" I sink very deep into it. I kind of go into some kind of dissociative state where I am just a part of a pizza-making-box-folding-customer-pleasing machine. At the end of the shift, especially if it's been a nine hour shift with no breaks and no time off my feet (and don't even bother telling me how illegal that is... I know it, but it seems to be the way all the dominos stores are run. They don't do meal breaks. You grab a smoke or a bathroom when the phones stop ringing for five minutes. There are no chairs. You don't leave the property or sit down. Period.) So like I said, I kind of go into a trance and do my work ok. But then, at the end of the day, I come out of the store feeling very dissociated.

I wander out into the parking lot, and it's like I'm not even really sure how to drive. Sometimes my guys pick me up, and they want to talk to me about family stuff or finances, and I feel like I barely know how to talk. Sometimes I leave work and drop straight into a panic attack. Does anyone have any advice on how to transition from work to life again?

Sorry this is so long.
 
I'm working as a manager at a Domino's pizza here in town.

I'm being surprisingly successful. The...
I can really relate to this. I've done such jobs and I was successful, but it came at a huge cost at the end of the day. So I have some tips, but I do have a question first: are you sure that you have to work this job?

Is there may be another job you can take, if not today, may be in few months down the line? From what you describe this seems like kind of a stressful job environment, for anyone, not just someone with PTSD...

Now that this is out of the way, here is the way I've handled jobs that are triggering to me(and if you're dissociating or having panic attacks after work...yes, you're doing amazing by holding off until you finish work...but it does seem like it's not the most healthy thing for you)"

1. The most helpful thing was knowing the job had deadline and I would move to something else in few months. All those jobs I knew from the start were for 3 months or 6 months and that helped

2. I had one job where the kind of people working there were really bringing me down (people that make you feel awkward if you're not like them, very negative, gossiping, telling dirty jokes and thinking the most entertaining thing you can do with your day is drink beer...).

I handled that by knowing it was for 6 months only, and also managing my own feelings(self-comforting in a way)- I would get up with 2 hours extra so I can get ready slowly, have breakfast, soak under hot water, get myself looking good and so on....Listen to music I like.

Then do my job and avoid getting in extra drama. I also kept going through pictures of my friends in the evening, reminding myself that in 6 months I'll be back in university, surrounded by my support system and by people who have goals and vision similar to mine, and people who inspire me. THAT helped the most, I think. Having what to look forward to.

Then after work, I would immediately go into recharge mode. Some days that meant comfort junk food in bed along with my favorite series and off to bed early. Sometimes it meant meeting a friend at cafe or restaurant.

Yes, all of that got me through these months, and it was needed at the time, but even despite all that I did it was stressful. And it meant that it cost me nerves, and cost me a lot of money for eating out because I needed something to get me through.

3. Another such job I had was at a time when I was starting to get depressed and the job was also dealing with angry people and managing stuff...and I dealt by crying in the bathroom at work.

After work, I would walk in the park for 2 hours blasting music I like in my headphones, and again, try to concentrate on whatever is coming next. By far, that is the most helpful thing. Not sure how to apply that is this is a full time position for indefinite time...

May be find something you enjoy or are passionate about after work, something to look forwards to? For me that reduces stress and also anchors you a bit more in the present....

If you can't do that, then just concentrate on recharging after work, in whatever way is good for you. Sorry I can't help more.
 
Some thoughts / scripts:

1) "Sir, I want to fix the problem, but I'm finding the volume level distracting. Could you speak a little more quietly so that I can understand you more easily?"

If you communicate that you're not going to be able to help until they stop being abusive, it should avoid training them to abuse you.

2) Pretty much the same as 1 - hey boss, I find it distracting when you speak loudly. Could you speak more gently so that I can focus on your words instead of being distracted by the tone? (I doubt that disclosing PTSD would give you the right outcomes in relation to this need.)

3) Hopefully, feeling more secure at work will help with this. Beyond that, I hope someone else has some ideas!
 
I am actually not surprised. Lots of PTSD folks can be really great under pressure. You probably gave that impression in your interview and bam, there ya go.

Ok, with upset customers: flip it. This is how I deal with it. I treat it like a game: how many people can I make happy today? The angrier they are the more points (mentally) I get. So when I get someone spitting fire, I treat it as such. And mentally approach them from the side. "WHOA! I am here to make YOU happy. So, let's step over here, and let's see how I can fix things for you." If I turn it into a game, it actually becomes fun. Because if I can usually make the person happy- even grudgingly so, I won. If you think about this, you know it's right because someone coming in angry about pizza just wants to win. And they are aiming to win with anger and want to storm out angry. So if you can make them happy, even a little bit, you win and they lost.

keep in mind that I still shake when I deal with folks like (usually, in my line of work it's big scary looking contractors)
ugh... I have a meeting to run to.. more in a bit
 
Stuff that helps me (I'm also in retail/customer service)-

Walking to work. It calms my head and gets me energised for the day ahead, and the walk home gives me time to wind down.

If I can't do that, music. Same sort of effect. Also grounding.

Taking a short break if I need to, even if it's standing in the locker room for 10 minutes to calm down after a sh*tty customer. Getting support is important too. If the customer is overwhelming you, do you feel able to ask for back up?

With your boss, it sound's like they're trying to help you but just not going about it quite right for you. If they're telling you that you need to delegate more often they're probably thinking you're trying to do too much, and want to make it easier on you. I do the same thing, and it's taken a lot of practice for me to feel comfortable handing out jobs to others (and not watch over them like a hawk). But doing so has released a lot of the pressure on me. I think the way you handle your boss will depend on what kind of relationship you have with them. Could you say you relly appreciate their feedback, but would it be possible to provide it in x manner as you would be able to take it in more?
 
Personalization so far as item number one is not advised. Company policy is company policy and it is not personal... it is about an order. At some point with me the rubber had to hit the road and I had to decide what was of more value... my feeling or my job.

Sometimes I have to reaffirm my real priorities.

Be back later.
 
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I'm working as a manager at a Domino's pizza here in town.

I'm being surprisingly successful. The...
You are describing the essential illness that surrounds us here in America. Supervisors and managers that actually think they own you, and then having to deal with customers that act like two year olds.
I know this is illogical, but it's very strong. I really feel like if I give this crazy, yelling, ugly person what they want, that they'll know I'm weak and they'll come after me physically.
You are right, we have to do the same thing in the retail environment, apologize for shit that has absolutely nothing to do with us or our capabilities. We actually are expected to apologize if certain items are not in the store, we are actually supposed to take customers to the exact area of their choosing so they can find what they want instead of using their own damn brains, hands, and feet.

That is how you treat a 2 year old, and I sure never even treated my 2 year old like that. And yes you are right, if you always give them what they want they will get worse. Geez, any good parent knows that, therefore the customers we get literally act like spoiled brats, they insult and they go run to the manager if they do not get what they want.

That is like watching stupidity on reruns, it is like watching these grownups go run to Daddy if they want something or want to hold on to mommie's hand to help them find something. I swear to god next time I offer these nimwits a damn diaper to go along with it.
 
we are actually supposed to take customers to the exact area of their choosing so they can find what they want instead of using their own damn brains, hands, and feet.

ok.. maybe it's just me but when I walk in a store and I am met by someone there trying to "Help" me before I can even get my bearings this is not HELP it's a sure way for me to run the hell out of the store. There's a little boutique store that has the sports nutrition I need. It's not the ONLY store, but it's the most CONVENIENT store. I generally try to avoid it because there is ALWAYS someone standing at the door ready to "HELP" me. *shudder*
Last week I went in and almost couldn't make it out fast enough. There were three people at the door (which was also where the nutrition was) I TRIED to shoo them away with "yeah, I just need some GU..." but they started PICKING UP DIFFERENT FLAVORS FOR ME. All the while, I have my Service dog with me who is a bit freaked out because the store dog is whining, lunging and barking at us.
Seriously WHAT THE f*ck?!
GAAAh. I will ASK if I need help. I promise.

sorry. off topic. Totally a PTSD thing.
 
GM yelling at me.
Is there HR you can talk to?
Seriously, if they are YELLING that constitutes a hostile work environment and should be reported
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Most folks who are GM's of a dominos really are not going to be great bosses. What you COULD do(during a calm period when things are going well- i.e. not when they are about to approach you about something) is say something like:
"You know, I REALLY appreciate your constructive criticism. I think it's helping me become a better manager. You've been a great mentor. I was wondering if you could do me a favor? Could you write down what you want to tell me and hand it to me and then after my shift I can come talk to you about it? I hate to take away from what's happening in the store and that way I can think through your critique and ask better questions about how to achieve what you are suggesting!"

Ah yes. I know. It's a bunch of shit BUT if you can get them on your side and stroke their ego it could work to your advantage.

Sometimes I leave work and drop straight into a panic attack. Does anyone have any advice on how to transition from work to life again?

I think maybe you need transition time? Maybe grab a cup of ice on the way out and hold it in your hand and take that extra time to come back to the world?
 
some of this has been very helpful- especially the customer service "game" idea. I'm going to work on that and finding a grounding ritual for when I leave work.

I did manage to pull my socks up and ask about a discrepancy in my paycheck today. I felt very brave, and they said they would fix it right away. I had been dreading that. I do need to find my pay stub, but hopefully I stuck it in a file and didn't lose it.
 
I'm having the opposite... I'm having panic attacks before I goto work.

Luckily once I'm there I'm ok
 
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