Panic Attacks - Curse Or Bliss

[isaley]

Thank you Hashi! Well put!

 

[Barberian]

[DLMURL="https://www.ptsdforum.org/c/members/vivbala.19325/"]Vivbala [/DLMURL] - OP, last seen April 8, 2013. Four posts in this thread only. Couldn't back up what he started, and ran for the hills.

 

[Didntaskforthis]

Wow.......last post was not only unkind, but vengeful, do you want to shame people off the site!??? Sure sounds like you made the point SEVERAL TIMES. Way to vent on someone who mis-spoke. I see zero empathy good job, you chased them off which appears to have been your motive rather than education .

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

I agreed. Positive approaches to PTS on this forum are sometimes met with resistance and dismissed. :(

 

[Hashi]

The person didn't have PTS or any knowledge of it. They finally said this somewhere else. They were just scattering their theory around various websites including this one - identical post pasted into different sites.

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

Regardless Vivbala made several valid points and was poorly treated on a site from trauma survivors.

That's sad.

Not to mention does anyone really believe it's possible to have panic attacks for thepurehellofit? LOL

 

[Barberian]

As stated by hashi, there is more to the story than just this thread. The person was a troll pushing a religious agenda on a PTSD site.

I personally detest people who come here to abuse this site and its owners, admin, and guests.

As you said in your own post, this is a site for trauma survivors (PTSD), which the OP is not.

 

[Didntaskforthis]

And your documentation?

 

[Hashi]

I found a number of vivbala posts on other sites. I personally would hesitate to use the word troll because I think he was well-intentioned. But he wasn't eligible to be a forum member, he didn't respond to questions here, and he only posted to promote his ideas. Which weren't relevant to the context of PTSD. He had no experience or understanding of PTSD and no training in psychology. He said this in different posts elsewhere. (He never came back to this one.)

I'm not sure he knew that this was a PTSD site, or even what PTSD was. He seemed to be targetting forums with "anxiety" in the title.

He was actually trialling/self-promoting extracts from a book that he was writing. That isn't what this site is about.

Please think about it for a moment. I've never lost a child. What if I became a member of site which is only for people who have lost children, and their supporters, and starting telling people there what they should do? And that they should feel joy that they were so lucky?

Members here all play a part in keeping the site safe. I'm not sure why there is so much defence of someone who was gatecrashing the site and making unqualified recommendations without any regard for members' psychological safety.

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

From my personal experience having gone through this for 4 years now

He clearly states this is his personal experience. If the people responding find themselves upset. That's your problem..not his.

First Phase: Scared/Confused First attack definitely hits at a time when we are unprepared and it’s a totally a new experience. Majority of the people who experience it may consider they had some life threatening attack like heart attack or some part of the body is not working well. It definitely takes a while to understand what’s going on.

This describes bewilderment of abuse.

Second Phase: Not a temporary issue After a few attacks the individual has to accept the fact these attacks are here to stay and it becomes very much part of the life. He cannot escape it or fight it out but try to integrate with his life. He starts to read about them and figures out what he has gone through is being experienced by many people and people do survive these attacks.

This describes ongoing abuse and possibly where you consciously or unconsciously choose to sink or swim.

Third Phase: Search for a cure This phase is when the individual tries all different ways to get rid of it. Looks for the medical cure, natural cure, exercise, fitness lessons to handle it. In the process tries to understand the whole process what’s going on and gains the strength to accept them.

This describes where you learn to adapt.

Fourth Phase: Let’s integrate This is the crucial and interesting phase. It’s opposite to what he had done all the time so far. He accepts the attack wholeheartedly and integrates to his life. Once he accepts the attack without fighting them it’s not an attack anymore. It now loses the pace and energy. Now after this you can feel the bliss of the process and joyfulness of it. You won’t be the same person anymore, all this had happened to get the best out of you.

This is where you process the pain and live your life and joyfully live your life despite the S.O.B's who tried to drag you down to their level.

Eastern world calls it Kundalini activation

Who cares what he's calling it. It works! :joyful:

 

[anthony]

And your documentation?

Take a look at the members history of posts, and you will see a very definitive pattern for yourself of borderline advertising / self-promotion, which no doubt would have come with links if they could have gotten past the anti-spam system. I've seen enough of these to know self-promotion when I see it. Not trolling, spam.

There are lots of naturopathic techniques that work to relieve symptoms of PTSD, but they don't do anything unless you actually curb PTSD at the root as well. You cannot remove PTSD by working at the symptoms, you remove the symptoms by working at PTSD, specifically the trauma and anxiety component.

 

[Hashi]

His personal experience of panic attacks due to spiritual awakening, not PTSD - which he told me in a different place that he did not have. Clearly, you can relate what was written to abuse. vivbala was not doing that - it's your interpretation.

"vivbala said: ↑ Eastern world calls it Kundalini activation..." Who cares what he's calling it. It works!

I care because he is specifically discussing Kundalini activation, which is a sudden opening of consciousness that can trigger psychosis. Especially if there has been a suppression of consciousness for a particular reason, like traumatic amnesia.

Some people may find an approach like this helpful. It's still a risk to others when there's no consideration of psychic or psychological safety. Someone with PTSD could be carrying overwhelming fear and horror deep in their consciousness. A Kundalini release of that could be very damaging.

You seem to be either disregarding or disagreeing with what I've said about why I believe this recommendation to people with PTSD - without attention to safety - is inappropriate. I feel it's dismissive to say "upset" and "your problem" as if my reaction is purely emotional and without any reasons. I think it would carry more weight to respond to my points if you disagree with them. In particular, I'd be interested to know your reasons for expressing no concerns about risk for people with a trauma history and panic attacks arising from PTSD.