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Pissed Off Beyond Belief... Example Of Narc Bs

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how do you forgive an asshole who
I forgave myself for keeping company with an asshole. I worry about forgiving myself first and foremost. I am learning more and more about narc's (sociopaths is more my style) and I absolutely do NOT waste my energy on forgiving someone who doesn't value (but rather uses against me) forgiveness. And other people I know don't need my forgiveness because they aren't likely to be bashing me around.

You did great! Lessons learned by all of us. :hug::hug::hug:
 
Sometimes forgiveness is something we have to do over and over again. I have found with the narcissist that I have dealt with, they will never take responsibility for their actions and accepting that is tough .The anger I felt consumed me and made me even more miserable and they certainly didn't care, they see themselves as elite and perfect. I do believe forgiveness is more for yourself, to let go of the anger and not allow someone who clearly does not deserve to be a part of your life go. For me forgiveness was a step in taking back my life, not allowing that person to be a part of my thoughts or feelings, they didn't deserve to be in the air I breathe. It is a process but it has to be on your terms, when you are ready. Forgiveness is not the same as forgetting or excusing someone's behavior. I am sorry you received such a cold backlash from such ignorance.
 
Update: (Forgive me for laughing about this)

I sent a YOU NOOB (You Tube) video to him regarding "What is a Narcissist" or some kind of video because I wanted to know what damage he's done. It wasn't rude but with narcs, I wanted him to see the damage he's done and hopefully would've seen what his family has done to me.

His response: After four years of not communicating with this is what...(did not complete sentence). You chose to contact me and then attack me. (Remember the phone calls to my ex husband blaming me for his world being my fault). I didn't contact you. (All I said is that I forgive him-my fault for sending the video I suppose). Don't treat me or my family in this manner (this is my sinister in law talking because my brother has not one inkling of prose) I'm not here for you to scream at or be an emotional punching bag. Please cease all communication with me.

For those who are dealing with NARCs, this is the perfect example of what they do. They blame you for everything but yet they do not take responsibility for their actions. I called him on it including the phone call to Daryl in regards to his life being a pit of despair. He did not apologize. He didn't care to.

DO NOT DEAL WITH NARCS HEAD ON!!!!!!
 
Heh. Yeah, sounds like that was good move. I'm sure he'll try to contact again soon, but just ignore him. Hell, I would block him through every avenue available, (Facebook, phone numbers, etc.) That way he may be able to rail against you, but you'll never know it, never respond, and never feed him. That's always the best way to do with a Narc.
 
Yes...I tried extending an olive branch (wrote a letter explaining why I did what I did - I had asked for space during a fight where she falsely accused me of some very nasty stuff and wouldn't listen when I tried to explain. She kept messaging so I told her to stop harassing me and deleted her from facebook)...Anyway, in the letter I took some responsibility for the whole mess, even though it really was nothing compared to hers; I even apologized for some of the nastier things I said. I guess I didn't want to believe I was dealing with a narc. I thought after the stress was over etc. she could look at things and see where I was coming from and would understand better. Oooops. Apparently the letter was negative and accusatory...and somehow I think it's all about me and who do I think I am etc. Again, zero acceptance of responsibility etc. She complained about being deleted from FB, said my reaction was too childish and dramatic (considering what she accused me off - and we were very close friends, it was absolutely not too dramatic) but I guess that's typical of narcs - to twist everything; minimize your pain etc.

It took me a while but I realized what she accused me of were all her personality traits; she was projecting them onto me. Anyway, what I was trying to say in my long-winded way, now that I am aware of this, I am finding it easier to think about forgiveness some day - She is what she is and I can't change that and as with most narcs, it probably stems form some childhood trauma and at the root lies extreme insecurity. And so I pity her. I even still have some love for her but our friendship is well and truly over. It does sadden me that i was right about her being a narc. And I am still not over what she's done but I still have more peace of mind now than I did for a long time after that initial fight. And yes, it is very tempting to confront them head on - and I think part of her explosive reaction was the fact that I saw through her BS (even though at that moment I thought maybe it had to do with stress etc. and not her being a narc)...Anyway, hoping that you can find that peace of mind too. You didn't do anything wrong and you are not responsible for the actions of those narcs in your life. Hugs if you accept them.
 
Ladygosthunter,

I feel your pain and can relate extremely well how you feel as I was the eldest and lost child / scapegoat of a narcissistic mother. Hard to believe as it is -and after so many years of counseling- I just woke up within this week as I write this. I finally saw through all the deception, sugar-coated lies, etc... that my mother is a narcissist. All these decades and it had been hiding in plain sight. All those opportunities torn away by her that included romantic relationships that never were, and all those years living without any sense of identity, besides living with the Asperger's syndrome that also was never revealed until so late in my life.

Finally! Eureka! Behind the façade of the most beautiful, devoted, nurturing, and caring mother that there could be, I knew it all along that there was an undercurrent and some kind of secret agenda, but I was powerless at the time to do anything. I found my own way to survive it all. Like some kind of resistance faction within the freak show that I grew up in, I intentionally behaved that way to insert a justification for the unjustifiable punishments.

I now see why Dad was the way he was with Mom, driving her to the brink of insanity during all their time together: he was only developing and applying his own brand of anti-narc -which I will now take from hereon and continue to develop and apply on my still-living mother. Know thy enemy, know thyself, and you will never be defeated in a thousand battles.

It was Dad that I had shut out of my life as he was the more blatant abuser -until he had his own epiphany. We made up, I forgave, anf even his perspective of his position in the family changed: I had been his scapegoat, now I was his Golden Child. It was quite an honor.

By the time I turned 14 it became ever clearer and clearer to me something was up that my younger and less developed siblings could not see. It was around that time that I saw the movie Papillon. It was also around that time that I read the book "For Those I Loved" by Martin Grey. I read many other books written by survivors of Hitler's concentration camps. I drew my inspiration from all to develop my own unshakeable resolve and a tenacity to shame a British bull dog. I was the scapegoat but also some kind of one-boy resistance faction within the freak show war in which I lived. If I had really caught on to Mom's deeply secret and incredibly evil agenda -well that was then this is now.

Don't ever negotiate with a narc. Don't ever try to make a narc see for herself the damage she inflicts on others, including the ones she should love the most. Instead, study what makes people like that tick, and play the game. Feed them their own medicine however cruel it may seem. Countermove every time your narc attacks you and revel in the soul torture she just tried to target you with. I know it sounds incredibly cruel, but as you know, narc medicine tastes like $H!+.

That being said I have to admit I don't love my mother anymore.
 
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