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Platitudes: Which Ones Make You Scream?

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I agree Sterre. When I was going to Church I heard this so much. People would say things like, 'Oh, I don't have this problem therefore I'm further on than you are/ closer to God/ more mature etc.' It makes me sick because that is not the love of God. MAN causes these horrors and people who have not been through them have no right to stand in judgement.

'Everything happens for a reason' is a cop out - nothing more. A way for someone to shove it back at us because they can't cope with it.

Sterre, self-righteousness is the proper word for it but I can think of a few other words that I couldn't type here!!
 
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It is a way of copping out from having to take any responsibility for the culture that they participate in. Always easier to blame to victim otherwise you might have some serious thinking and reassessment to do!
 
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"It's God's Will"

Oh that one is a favorite of mine! I usually reply, " Yeah, well I wish he didn't think my back was so broad, or I was so strong, who the heck does he think I am, a Clydesdale horse? His will my *&^% I thought he was the God of Mercy...the person saying this, always seems to forget that part.
 
Hmm just thinking how these platitudes cheese us off, but wondering just what would we want to hear. And I guess that is the big answer, it's for someone to shut up and listen for a change. But we've all agreed about the tough love and boundaries etc needing to be made. So I wonder what is an effective and acceptible way for someone to convey those things?

Will need to think myself what I'd answer...

I think the answer to that is some compassion within that tough love, not enough to let us remain in the 'victim state' but to adjust to coming out of it. Let's all take a hard realistic look at our situation here, no matter how unique to how we got to where we are. We are frightened, we are hampered in daily lives, some of us, like myself, have such rage its hard to control on a daily basis and we are a danger to those we love and people we don't know, but we DO need that tough love and boundaries, but I think we could all do without, what we can take offensive to within and because of our disorder as platitudes that sound like broken records.

After much thought, I am going to make a list, and give it to those who are trying to help me most, and ask in the calmest way I know how to please not to use those phrases that make me cringe, feel guilty, or just make me feel as if the wind has been taken out of me. Its a two way street. They can't read my mind, and if I don't tell them what triggers me, they can't help me. Strangers are another story, but if I can mange to keep my temper in check and my rationality in the forefront, maybe I can convey polity what those phrases do to me. ( lots of luck there, but hey what's the worse that could happen...don't answer that lol)

So thank you Leweyoz, for giving this food for thought...it made me stop and think, and may help me get past the holidays with family who do not understand and may not ever.
 
I had one thrown at me tonight that just about sent me to the moon, speaking of rockets Ms Spock. I went to a Depression Bi-Polar Support Group. While they say it is for anyone with mood disorders, the meetings are not really PTSD friendly. (Maybe I should leaflet them, as someone on this site suggested to help their clueless friends/family.)

I talked about how my granddaughter of 10 (the dearest person in my life) wrote in her diary that she wanted to commit suicide; that I had an anxiety attack at my gd's house (also son's house, who is the source of the anxiety) while trying to be a support for gd; and that I am still not functioning due to continuing lack of medication while trying to get insurance straight.

A woman (2xd time at meeting) came up to me afterward and had the NERVE to say that I should not let my family get in the way of my functioning! While I really wanted to deck her (she has a very supportive family BTW and is Bi-polar; I have dual diagnoses of Bi-Polar and PTSD) I explain that I had not been functioning for some time and that the bombs that keep going off make it worse.

Are you believing that? What the hell is she taking, cause I want some of it!!!!! Geese, do you have any feelings, LAAAADDDDDYY!!! I think that counts as a platitude, because I have heard it before. Just not with as much cold blooded attitude behind it.
 
Oh SoulofLC,

I think perhaps (given the lack of availability of rockets and rocket fuel) that we just have to put it down to the fact that someone dropped her on her head when she was a baby! Such insensitivity is astounding. It could also be that she related so much to what you shared that she dumped all those awkward and uncomfortable feelings on to you, which is rather poor form.

What would she think of me? I have no contact with my family and they are still significantly affecting my functioning!!!

I am really sorry to hear about your grand daughter. Gosh you have a full plate. How heartbreaking.
 
thinking how these platitudes cheese us off

Well I would not want to hear the denial of the situation for starters. I would also not want to hear the blame - that the situation is my fault either.

When my mother finally admitted that my father had sexually abused me (after ten years of denial). Please note that she was there when it happened. She then immediately laughed at me and asked me when was I going to get over it? So platitudes used to compound the circumstances and abuse are off the list for me as well.

I guess it is about context and the time of the content. If the intent of the platitude is to be kind then I don't take it in as much, however if the platitude is to further silence me, curtail my activism or to stop knowledge being transmitted to the next generation then I am not happy about that. I often ignore people, particularly if they are unlikely to listen to me.

So the intent of the person is important to me as well.

Some people have made rather unfortunate comments to me but when I look and see the intent, then I wait until a quiet time, and explain that I know that they meant well but perhaps there is a better way of expressing it. People seem to genuinely be appreciative of my efforts, if I do it with kindness, and acknowledgment that they were trying to respond to something that they may never have thought about or been involved in knowing about before. Sometimes I don't mention it and the person moves in a different way - each situation is different.

If a person says something and doesn't have a social agenda or a cultural agenda of silencing or dismissing, on the whole, (if given a quiet moment without an audience) they will consider what you said and ask questions until you understand why what was said was not okay.(We might need to make a little room for those that are humiliated at what they said and might need some time to calm down from feeling so bad about what they said.)

There are ways of saying things to people without being dismissive and offensive.

The sandwich technique works well. I see you dealt with situation A and that is hard and good on you for giving it ago. Okay you might need a little bit of finesse in situation B but, hey, we are all learning and changing or I've done that one too. Situation C was handled very well, that was a most astute strategy dealing with a scared, unhelpful and annoying person with out engaging in their favourite mode of conflict.

There are many, many ways to handle people and point things out. Intent, time, context, content and the current situations in a person's life (and your own ability to handle situations) will mean you express this in different ways at different times.
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Funny you should mention this now Ms Spock as this is what I have been doing recently. Mt sister said something about my hair being full of lugs as a child and me having 'bed hair,' I was called 'tatty head.' She said 'you always did have bed hair.' Now, I would, until recently, have been hurt and offended by this as my mother got fed up with brushing my tatty hair and took me to the hairdressers where she made me have it cut - short back and sides instead of my usual long hair! I was devastated and she still sent me to school with a big bow stuck on top!

Well, instead of this usual reaction I calmly asked my sister dis she remember the rubbish shampoo Mum made us use and no conditioner? Did she remember being sent to bed with damp hair because Mum couldn't be bothered to brush it and wouldn't take the time to brush it in the morning? The fact that there was no heating in the house? My sister said that she did remember and I then asked her who's fault it was that my long hair was tatty She thought about it and said, 'It was Mum's wasn't it.'

It took me being gentle with the truth but speaking the truth anyway to help her see what had really happened. I know my little story isn't a platitude but it works the same way. I have started to get people to question their own behaviour towards me and have seen some remarkable results. I don't bother with the people who do not know me well, but with people I am close too I have to be honest, judge the situation and if appropriate, address the platitude or behaviour. It is up to the individual to take it on board and not say these things again but at least I give them something to think about.
 
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Thanks Ms Spock, yes, I am heartbroken about my granddaughter. I have worried about that child having too much to deal with for so long, and I have put, with love, time and energy into giving her the encouragement and love she deserves. Yes, it is heartbreaking, but I hope my love will give her some strength. Her mom is taking it seriously, so both of them will be in treatment, which is the best outcome at this time.
I woke up to my little dear Mr. Wiggles, my darling goldfish, having jumped out of his bowl in the night and dead in the kitchen sink. I think I will get a gallon of Holy water today and clean my house with it, because I am feeling like too much is happening. That or an exorcist. You might be losing it if...

Yes, that woman must have been dropped on her head. Or as you said, related to the point of identifying so much that she dumped. Wish we had some rockets and fuel...but we would need so many! Thanks Ms Spock for all of your compassion.
 
My sister said that she did remember and I then asked her who's fault it was that my long hair was tatty She thought about it and said, 'It was Mum's wasn't it.
Well done. Nicely delivered and strategically done so your sister doesn't feel the blame for your mother's negligent behaviour.


It took me being gentle with the truth but speaking the truth anyway to help her see what had really happened.
You chose your time and place well and you spoke in a manner that was accessible to her. That is great. If she had reacted aversely it wouldn't have been your fault. Sometimes people just can't hear stuff. I am so pleased it worked out for you. You are paying attention, monitoring life in real time and appropriately approaching the situation in a non charged atmosphere. There is a lot of concentrating, listening and noticing that goes in to that. So Well Done again!

I have started to get people to question their own behaviour towards me and have seen some remarkable results.
That is pretty awesome! Fantastic stuff!

with people I am close too I have to be honest, judge the situation and if appropriate, address the platitude or behaviour. It is up to the individual to take it on board and not say these things again but at least I give them something to think about.

You do and you are setting boundaries simultaneously. Excellent stuff CraftyCath!
 
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