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Procrastination!

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Lisa

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Dammit... procrastination is the most evil thing to me right now! I have been trying to do a philosophy essay, and the longest my concentration will allow is 10/15 minutes every hour.

It is amazing and scary how many cigarrette breaks I take when studying. I gotta quit... but not today.

I need a kick up the backside. But the problem with being a procrastinator and bloody minded in personality is, when someone tells me to do something... and I don't want to... I won't.

How have I managed to do a degree so far?

Panic!

This year, I am adding non-procrastinationg to my To-Do list.
 
I love the cartoons, Lisa. I can so relate!

Good luck with your paper - here's a kick if you want it :)

Oh, I remember those near all-nighters alternating coffee and diet cola...good thing I was young. Sure couldn't do it now.
 
Thanks Hodge, I took them from a website, but I thought they were good illustrators of my frustration today!

all-nighters with coffee and cola... yarp that's me! my sleep patterns are very strange at the moment...
 
I thought I'd add to my blog thing (post?) on the subject of procrastination rather than adding another blog thing (post?)...

Okay, so I'm STILL procrastinating, though have been able to do a little more. I thought up a strategy... have a good old whinge here about it. go to bed, get up early, and go for a walk, and study from then until 4pm when I have a friend visiting. I've told him if I haven't done that I'm not allowed to answer the door, LOL. So if I don't do my work tomorrow, he'll turn up to be ignored. That should make me do it. And I haven't been out of my room for days aso I feel rather cut off from society right now. Getting out in the morning will help.

I feel better having made a plan, at least.

Now for the whinge... it's an assignment on the philosophy of psychology as a science. Though every fellow student complains about it, I actually enjoy philosophy. But for some reason, this assignment is just not wanting to be done. I thought writing about something I like would help. Turns out I only like talking about my view and I can't be bothered to write about what someone else thinks LOL. The assignment actually specifies I take a stance so that's good. It's just well, all the different theorists have a really long way of explaining their view.

Is psychology a science? Well, it depends on what your definitions are and what approach. For me, Psychoanalytic? No. Neuro or clinical? Yes. The philosophy problem between theorists is definition. Define something differently, and the answer is different. So really... it depends what a person defines science as on whether they think psychology or a particular approach operates scientifically, or produces scientific outcomes.

But science is a term given from society, and so a significant proportion of the norm should think similiarly. So the answer to if psychology is a science, is: whatever a significant of proporition of people think similarly.

What seems to have happened in psychology is that a few approaches have gained similarly equal proportions of support. Some a little more than others, but generally there is a lot of support for approaches that appear in textbooks and medical use. Eventually, a new approach that answers the problems the older approaches had (in terms of definitive criticisms), will come in and be the biggest influence defining psychology as psychology, and also psychology as a science or not. Then maybe, or maybe not, someone will eventually pop up and blow the whole thing out of the water...

So for me, the bigger question that needs fully answering is about the philosophy of science. When people can make their minds up and define science with unanimous agreement, we can answer if psychology is a science in unanimous agreement too.

The book I have to read basically says this anyway, from what I can tell. Except it has every theorist who argues their veiw, making it a lot longer than what I wrote above. About 300 pages longer in fact. Maybe I could just submite what I wrote above... I mean it answers the question.

Well... I could submit just what I written above... but that would get me a fail probably because I'm not writing in a scientific manner by including references and theories... and as I'm doing a Bachelor of Science in psychology they probably want me to do that.

Okay. I can do this.
 
You can do this, Lisa. I can tell from your ruminations above. It all sounds interesting to me. I'm more than 10 years out of grad school now (in my day, Derrida and the like were all the rage), but it always used to help me to talk with someone else about my paper, even with someone else outside my field (though still in the humanities). So, anyway, I hope you don't mind me getting into your ideas. One thing that strikes me is, isn't there still a consensus on something being "science" if it can be measured by scientific method? I guess Heisenberg threw a monkeywrench into that somewhat, but scientists still follow the principle of testability (I know I don't have the right term here, but I mean something that can be tested and retested with similar enough results), right?

I hope my meanderings aren't way off base and annoying to you. However, I so relate to what you say about theorists - most use 100,000 words of jargon when about 1,000 in plain English would suffice :) One of the things that put me off academics :p
 
Hi Lisa,

It sounds like a very interesting paper in the making. I'm sure you can do it :)

Hodge, I think Derrida is still pretty big...maybe not quite ALL the rage....but at least half ;P Butler is pretty big (Ilike her) and Zizek (whom I have not read yet...to my eternal shame)...Anyway...sorry to babble...I ifnd that I actually get excited abouttheory...despite my very limited expereinc ewith it....

Good luck Lisa :)
 
Hey Guys

Thank you for the encouragement Hodge :) I submitted the assignment on Friday, having not slept a wink and staying up all night trying to finish it (then couldn't sleep the next night and was hallucinating by the time 45 hours had passed!). But I did it. I didn't submit the second assignment though :( so I have to explain myself to uni now.

Glad others find philosophy interesting... admitting that to fellow classmates is social suicide for some reason (?). I have to admit, I have never heard of Derrida! But we seem to have learned only about English philosophers... I totally understand what you mean by talking through assignments with people helps though.

Yes, there is a general consensus in that scientific method is what makes science... but this is something that gets debated in psychology, because you then have to define scientific method, which ultimately derived from physics. In psychology, you can't measure direct observables that you can in physics... though then the argument is that in physics there are also unobservables...and then there was some debate on whether observing something through a microscope was really observing something. Because science originally was observed with the naked eye, so science and its debate has had to keep up with the times, technology, social demands etc. and thus it tends to be an ongoing nit pickety debate. There were also debates on other things, in terms of the definition of psychological science, and there are current approaches trying to get science status etc.

Heisenberg, I have heard of though, and did write about him! Yep, you are right, testability is another important principle (and that was the right term!), and replication (retesting) which is based on the principle that if something is confirmed several times, it constitutes 'truth'... but then the argument there is that in this context, it also ties in with predictability (another principle of science) and some argued predictability can never be achieved, because it is based on the past and we can never know about the future so there is always a risk of the unexpected happening (like everyone thought there were only white swans, until they saw a black swan). The general state is that psychology meets the principles of science, though on some principles there is some accepted limitations to psychology as a human science because direct observation is impossible etc.

You're meanderings were certainly not off base or annoying... it was great to see someone actually take interest in something I'm doing, and have an opinion and ask me about it and stuff... i like that. :)

RD....thanks also for the encouragement, faith, and luck :)
 
RD, I'm not placing P. Butler - what has she written? What's her thing? Neither have I heard of Zizek - what's his/her thing?

Lisa, congrats on getting the paper done! I hope you've gotten some rest now!! Derrida...well, I think of his theoretical writing as poetry, really. I actually kind of enjoyed reading him sometimes, just because his prose would spark ideas in me. He's one of the group we used to call the "French crazies" (hope I'm not offending anyone here:), along with Michel Foucault and some others.

Are you also working from, oh I think his name is Thomas Kuhn, theory of scientific revolutions...which brings in the social element I think you're talking about.

Maybe we should start a philosophical theory social group! I don't know how often my brain would be up to participating, however ;)
 
OOoh yeah that's not a bad idea! We could set up a philosophy group and it wouldn't necessarily have to be academic, because anyone can discuss philosophy ideas of their own....I know it sounds geeky but I'd actually thought of that already but thought nobody would be interested...

Kuhn.. yep! Wrote a lot on him... he did the paradigms and the empirical cycle (pre-science, normal science, crisis, revolution...) but it wasn't popular because he said that when revolutoin occurred the previous theories were entirely abandoned... not strictly true, as some buid from past theory, and also its not realistic for people to give up their cherished theories... but he was definitely a great thinker and opened up a new way of thinking in terms of paradigms...
 
Yes, that's right! Paradigms...it's interesting how that fit in with the whole post-modern movement (or, as some like to call it, "pomo"). Or fed it? I don't know, really.

If you set up a group, I'll join!!! RD might join, too. Or, I can try to set it up - let me know! This might be just the thing to try to keep my brain exercised:)
 
Yes...a philosophy group would be cool...as long as you let phobosophers in as well :P

Hodge--When I mentioned Butler I meant Judith Butler (one of her most famous books is Gender Trouble...where she challenges heteronormativity, calling gender performative etc)...The "P" was from the smiley :P lol And...she draws on Derrida's work (citationality etc). Hahaha I sound almost as if I know what I'm talking about hahaha

Zizek-does a lot of work on Lacan (from what I understand...I haven't actually read him yet) and also on pop culture...movies etc...
 
Oh, thanks, RD. I confess I'm not very familiar with much feminist theory, especially the more recent stuff.

I think phobosophers *must* be represented in any philosophy group!
 
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