News Propranolol Erases The Fear Associated With Memories

[doglover]

@timetorecover - yes, the Gregg Braden book is amazing! He witnessed the remission at a facility in China. The medical personnel were chanting something like "It is well, it is well."

And if anyone is curious, the substance that they studied at U Alberta to treat cancer is called DCA - dichloroacetate. If you do some digging it is hard to figure out the truth from the spin, but the original study I saw from 2007 sounded promising.

 

[Springer80]

I was put on propoanolol from October 2011 to March/April 2012. After initailly being given single low dose tablets to take 'in need' (I was constantly in need!!) I was put onto slow releasing pills and the dose steadily increased to its maximum.

As I understand it this medication simply inhibits the heart from over working by regulating blood pressure. It doesn't have anything to do with memory or the neuro-biological reactions related to fear. My own experience concerned me because I really quite liked the physical relief. I thought I had found something that finally was helping. However, c-ptsd and/or DID goes hand in hand with nervous system problems, nutritional problems and muscular exhaustion due to adrenal activity etc etc.

I hadn't been tested for any related or secondary conditions and propanolol specifically should not be given to anyone with deficient muscular activity. I ended up bed ridden for days at a time and the side effects began to mirror the c-ptsd symptoms. I stopped taking them. My nervous system went into bi-phasic response and then dorsal vagal response, which I am currently trying to figure out.

I'm not sure how I feel about it. They gave me the relief I needed and I have no medial proof for how much or little they contributed to the above process but the result is I have had to stop. Not necessarily a bad thing (assuming it turns out alright!!).

 

[Flamengo]

What is bi-phasic response? I'm currently on 20mg Propranolol every 4 hours. I'm worried that I will develop some issues with it. My biggest problem now is that my liver enzymes are becoming elevated due to the Remeron and Propranolol. Which is really worrying me. I honestly wish my doctor would just let me take benzos for the rest of my life. The only thing that ever helped me.

 

[Springer80]

Hi Falmengo,

I can't find the professional reference I need for this at the moment but bi-phasic is related to but NOT the same as bi-polar. Bi-phasic reponse is your nervous system responding to becoming overwhelmed. Bi-polar is at a genetic level and a permanent condition. Bi-phasic response is temporary but rushes you from flat and exhausted to pumped and excited, like a generator trying to kick start you. This is of course my understanding as a non-medical person and explained in very basic terms no doubt. I just wonder if I hadn't been but on beta blockers if my nervous system would be in better shape and I'd be able to concentrate and work.

Personally I'm pursuing the body physco-therapy line of attack, I wish it had been an option ten years ago. Have you managed to see a trauma specialist yet? In my opinion and alot of other people on here, doctors/gp's cause more distress with ptsd than good. I'm finally about to go as an inpatient to a place in Scotland for the week.

What specialist support/research groups have you got in your area. Can you get to them?

Take Care

 

[Flamengo]

I have not been to any. I see a psychiatrist who thinks I just need to take my meds and forget the side effects and to be hoenst doesnt really listen to my thoughts. I have done a lot on my own, including self medicating at times and trying the SGB.

Meanwhile, I'm still not sleeping at all even on remeron which is supposed to knock out even a horse. My liver enzymes are become elevated and my anxiety is just a mess. I know that benzos work like magic for me, but I dont want to become addicted to them. I just wrote to the doctors in the Ganaxolone trial to see if I can get in.

I need to find a trauma specialist in San Jose, California. I've been working on exposure therapy, which I think works well but need something to calm down my nervous system.

Thanks for the explanation; I hope I don't Propranolol continues to work like it has. Its the only think that keeps me normal.

 

[anthony]

Your psychiatrists statement about not focusing on the symptoms is absolutely correct. The medication... well, some people will be able to remove it, some never start it, and some will need it for the rest of their lives, all depending on the individual and their trauma, and how much effort and focus they put into changing themselves and healing.

 

[Flamengo]

Hi Anthony, I don't disagree entirely with my psychiatrist. My main concern is that Remeron was given to me to help me sleep and I'm not sleeping then it kind of defeats the purpose of the medication. When ever I take the remeron, I actually feel my startle response increasing, which is not something I want. I know we should 'get out of our heads and into our lives' but it is all a partnership and I believe doctors should listen a little more instead of just pushing pills and ignoring pleas, in my case, to restore some sleep. :)

 

[Springer80]

Hi Flamengo,

I couldn't agree more on your opinion of doctors, they can't help it, it's like taking a F1 car to a back street garage, they don't do diagnostics at that level they just have wrenches! I am intrigued though, how on earth do you go through exposure therapy for ptsd? I hope you don't mind the question. Please tell me to 'go jump' but it sounds like torture to me?!

Personally, I am trying to get blood/urine tests that look into hormonal imbalances of adrenaline, nonadrenaline, cortisol, serotonin , dopamine etc and any nutritional deficiencies, then I will more than gladly take whatever they say, with the proof! I am tired of being a guinea pig that may as well be picking drugs out of a tombola.

I just read an interesting book by Tim Parks called 'Teach Us to Sit Still' its about a long health battle and finding alternatives. Maybe you could read it at night if you can't sleep? (no-pun intended I know how draining it is). It's actually really interesting and funny and as he was a noveilst he has investigated the health of some of his literary heoes to see if there was a creative arc that parallel their healing process.

Anyway, it may not cure it but there's a guy on youtube I found who does a series called 'Deep Sleep Music' (1 to 8 tracks) by Demorio. They really calm my brain down.

Good Night.