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Putting Distance Between Me And My Father

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I'm torn. I want to, and I want to be able to talk to my bro about it, but I also don't want to drag him into the middle of things. He has a lot on his plate right now and I don't want to add any additional stress. :(
 
Thats because you view yourself as a burden
If he loves you he wont think that
You dont have to tell him everything
Just let him know that what happens between you and your dad is just that, and he shouldn't feel like he has to choose sides or anything.
 
Reclusive,

Are you my sibling? Because this is exactly the sort of crap my father would pull. And has pulled. I hid him on facebook, rather than unfriend him, simply because I didn't want to deal with confrontation. He LOVES confrontation....he loves just plain pissing people off. I wonder if your father gets the same "high" from your anger as my father gets from mine. I recently replied to one of his stupid ranting e-mails with a very kind..."that's nice...live long and prosper" message. He had no idea how to respond....and hasn't : - )

I totally understand your need for your father's approval. And you are right. You'll probably never get it. I'm sorry.

Reclusive, I wonder if it was fair for your mom to use you as a confidant, rather than treat you like the child that you were. That's a pretty big burden for a kid to carry. I understand what she did, but I wonder if you recognize the unreasonable expectation that you were given.
 
I think my dad likes to test his boundaries and see how passive aggressive he can be without ACTUALLY starting a confrontation. For instance, I said in my message that I knew he thought I was weak and was gaming the system. He didn't actually agree, he just didn't disagree. And if I say that if he didn't think that, it sure would have been a good time to speak up, he'd accuse me of putting words in his mouth and twisting around everything he says. Which is why I feel it's pointless to talk to him.

I don't know. It's possible I'm over-reacting. I just re-read his messages and he did say what I thought he did (and didn't say what I thought he didn't).

You know, I never thought about the effect her confiding in me could have. I've always just been glad I could be there for her and have been comforted about her death knowing she didn't want to be here. You bring up a really interesting point and I'm going to have to think on it. I haven't told anyone other than you guys and my fiance about that.
 
Ugh. My bro sent me a message asking if I de-friended Dad on FB. I wrote back and said that I did because he really hurt my feeling and upset me and that I needed a break from him as a result. Also told him that I didn't expect him to pick sides and I was sorry if he felt like he'd been put in the middle again.

SUPER nervous about what he's going to think!
 
Reclusive, I know how terribly hurt you must feel, but are their ways to not be drawn into your dad's hurtful comments etc without 'making him pay'?
Not because it's wrong how you feel but what is more important is detaching from it-
 
The goal isn't to 'make him pay' - I don't really think it'll bother him that much, if at all. The idea is to give myself the space to be able to detach. I don't understand why I should be so concerned about what he thinks and feels when he obviously cares so little about or for me.
 
Ok, let me dissect this. Forewarning- I do this so I can approach the situation better, not to be critical.

1 & 2 - I have this stupid want for approval and validation from my Dad. I've never gotten it and probably never will and I'm trying to get used to this idea.
I had a feeling that was the case- seeking and hoping for some form of acceptance. Being that he's your father, it is important, because though he may or may not have been there for you in your life, he is still a type of authority figure, and being accepted by an authority figure is still a desire many people have. The feeling of acceptance, that they are doing what is right.

I know it shouldn't matter, but it makes me absolutely furious that he's gone from 'indifferent' to actively disapproving of me after all I've done for him.
Not meaning to be nosy, again rhetorical if you wish, but have you done more for him than he has for you? I found it's often much better, mentally, if I do something for someone and when they do something to tick me off, I leave. I walk away, not mentioning what I have done for them. This way after all ties are cut and they eventually see what it is I have done for them, they can wallow in their own self-pity without me there. In many cases you will find the best revenge is that which you do not observe the results of. First it keeps your hands clean, and second it keeps you mentally clean. Just something to reflect on for future reference, not something to talk and and laugh about. The latter usually results in the revenge reversing itself.

3 - I'm all on my own, and he doesn't even make a good safety net. For a long time the only reason he's been in my life is because he was the controller of mine and my brother's trust fund. But from the way he's acting, I'm assuming it's gone now. So I guess he's not much of a 'safety net' anymore.
Can you find someone else to be your conservator instead of him? Maybe you should consider not having one at all. If you're a grown man, then take control of your life yourself. If is a court-appointed or legally-appointed conservator/guardian and has misspent your trust fund, he could be criminally & civilly liable.

It's a little scary to be alone, even though I have my fiance. But my dad and my brother are pretty much my only family and I'm scared that I'm going to lose my brother over this. Him and my dad are close, so I'm on pins and needles waiting to see if my dad is going to drag him into this.
You'll have to deal with it one way or another sooner or later. I'm not saying this to demean you, but what if one of the dies? Or even both? That could very well happen. Like what I asked my ex-wife when her mother was interfering in our marriage, who the hell did she marry? Me or her mother? A friend turned it around on me. He asked me who the hell I married. My wife or her mother? I was baffled until he pointed out that her mother has only the affect I allow her to have, within reason. And I decided if I couldn't get my wife to think about "us" for once, maybe it's time we split up. Well, she finally decided the day I was in the ER, nearly dead from a wreck. If you love someone, you don't want to let them go. Ever, in all of time, you'll never want to leave them. But from what you say, there is no such love. You just gotta learn I think to let it go. Sometimes you have to cut unproductive ties to better yourself.

I've talked to some friends, and you guys here, and I'm feeling better about whether or not my decision was right. I probably could have handled it more gracefully and probably still can. But I need to remember not to engage and not to get sucked in to some stupid argument.
Reclusive, I think that what you did, according to what you say, is certainly right.

You'll be in my prayers.
 
Thank you. My dad has now dragged my bro into it, so I guess that on some level that shows that he cares. I would really like to someday have a relationship with him, but there are going to have to be ground rules for that to happen. For one, he has to stop getting on my fiance's case for not working. Right now it's gotten to the point where I feel like I have to choose between them, and you're right, I'm gonna pick my fiance. And dad should understand that, since he had the same problem with his family and my mom. I just don't understand why he can't see that!

I'm feeling a lot less emotional about it today, which is nice. I'm going to wait until I go to bed to write a response to my bro. I do worry about dad being on his own, but he does live next door to his brother, so I guess that's not really the case. Have to remember that part.

Thank you for your support, I really appreciate it. Wish families weren't so darn complicated!!!
 
The goal isn't to 'make him pay' - I don't really think it'll bother him that much, if at all. The idea is to give myself the space to be able to detach. I don't understand why I should be so concerned about what he thinks and feels when he obviously cares so little about or for me.

Dear reclusive, did not express myself very well (and likely still can't), but willl try.

I didn't mean to infer that you should be concerned with his feelings, what I meant to say was to look after your own peace of mind and health- not beat your head against a brick wall if the other party (person) does not or cannot understand or take responsibilty for their own actions or respect you or does not act in caring ways. If that includes doing (whatever) you need to do or say, that is right and necessary for you.

Am sorry if it came out another way, didn't mean to offend. :(
 
It's okay, I wasn't offended. Just a little confused is all.

So, talking to my brother... I don't know what to do. I think, if I'm understanding him right, that his understanding is that I should just put up with our dad because he's all alone. I think it's partly because my bro is in China and feels bad for not being there for dad.

In my own little fantasy world, dad would take a step towards understanding me and who I am instead of me always understanding who he is and excusing his behavior. I really want a good relationship with my dad, but I just don't see how it can happen.

Grrr! Frustrating!
 
I am SO frustrated! Relieved, angry, sad, pissed off, more angry, and extremely irritated.

I almost gave in and accepted my dad's friend request. My brother has been trying to convince me that my dad is this lonely old miser who's had too tough a time in his life and desperately needs both his kids. And I almost fell for it. But, then, just as I was about to screw everything up, my dad sent me an email. It basically went like this. "I don't know why you broke off contact, but I'm sure you had a reason. Gee, my website is so hard and I keep screwing it up. You can go ahead and watch - hope you're getting what you wanted." Except he used a lot more words.

He is SO freaking selfish and self-centered! Grrrrrr!!!!
 
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