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Re-Victimization (Of Self) - Short And Long Term Patterns

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James B.

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This is the most humbling thing I have ever experienced.

I feel somewhat lost as to how to go about sorting this one out. Have a feeling it is related to my 'core belief of low self-esteem'.

An example of a short term pattern: building a fitness base, getting really into it, then - something happens - and I wreck it. Over and over again.

I can't really go into or clearly write about my long term patterns right now, it is murky and I will start crying.

This one has crushed me, stamped out any remaining trace of denial (I hope) and has brought me, body and soul, to my knees - looking for answers.

Any thoughts, ideas or comments would be great. Sorry, have to end this post now as I am becoming too emotional to write. Really appreciate your feedback.

Thank you.
 
Alright, I came back to basically improve and finish out the above post. First time for me trying to write about this. I simply cracked under pressure.

My number one toxic thinking pattern, a kind of sarcastic driven rightous indigation, seems to be an axis where I head off into decline. For me the relationship is a kind of three point thing, in a nutshell...

The triad:

- toxic thinking pattern + anxiety disorder = re-victimization of self.

So, what (may be) becoming clear, if I cannot learn to deal with certain trigger-laden areas, I have to bail, and be realistic if I am going to thrive in any areas of life.

Also, an example of a 'long term pattern' for me, as it relates to the topic, might be deleting or destroying previously valued creative work - maybe just another muted self-destructive metaphor?

The above? Just hunches. Maybe over simplified and wrong. I don't know.

Ok, am going to wrap it for five to six days. Many sincere thanks to all those involved here. Folks, the things you've written have really resonated inside me; sections go "ka-klick" in my head, helping me remember. Already recalled a major (non-neglect or harm intended) childhood injury memory. Take care everyone, see you later.

James B.
 
James, like me you have only been part of this forum a short time and you have been telling a lot of your story here. I know how difficult it can be to try to get it all out and think you were brave to be able to share what you have. I am dealing with my own traumas in my head right now and was not able to read all that you had to say. I do hope that you have found some peace and and comfort here and that you will continue to heal. Please take care and I do hope that your surgery is a success.

Terrapin
 
It's helpful to map out how you see the pattern. I think you are a go-to kinda guy and it seems you are tackling this best you can!! I too wish you the best of outcomes on your surgery!! Hope when you pop back on here we get "the good word"!!
 
Self sabotage is really hard. I have ongoing issues with this. It is like if things go well something terrible will happen.

Cheers,
ms spock
 
I think Artista nailed it. Seeing the pattern in detail is a place to start. Changing the toxic thinking pattern? Um. In my three or four years of trying that, I can say from my own limited experience that it's difficult as hell. We will relapse and we'll have to keep pulling ourselves back on the wagon. Also in my experience, you can feel as though you've gotten somewhere, you've grown out of that poisonous mindset. . . and suddenly something happens, the anxiety disorder surfaces, and we're self-sabotaging again. But again -- I'm relatively new to the process of actively trying to recover, so I'm responding mostly because I identify with what you said.

@ Ms. Spock: "It is like if things go well something terrible will happen." Yeah - always waiting for the hammer to fall. Is that a self-fulfilling prophecy or what?
 
Agree completely with the difficulty/pitfalls of changing thinking patterns. Realized some time back my thinking had become laced with negativity, I would try to not think that way, then something terrible would happen and actually reinforce the negative thinking; could be about family, the medical system or even human nature.

I went on two classic self-destructo spirals; one after my dad died, then a delayed one after my mom died. They were benders and I was hell-bent on driving my life into the gutter. Both patterns near identical.

Perhaps there are no 'short' and 'long term' patterns, perhaps it is a multi-channeled continueum with different size curves and spikes? Somehow I feel the deeply rooted shame I still feel about my abuse and what its done to my life, is a factor. I don't know. Sometimes I think my abusers were successful in destroying my soul, and that re-victimizing myself is happening and that my (core belief) low self esteem side is trying to make 'it' a reality.
 
OK, very helpful feedback folks.

For charting purposes am thinking of a: Self-Sabotage Severity Scale, degrees one through ten, with ten being the most severe.

Example of 10: suicide.
Example of 1: poor eating habits (hypogycemia). (?) Not sure.

Also, my Triad needs to read:
Anxiety disorder×toxic thinking pattern = self sabotage (scale of ten).

Am going to see about charting past patterns based on duration, type and severity. See where that goes.

Still feeling the deep well of putrid shame I experience regarding my abuse/life effects is relevant to topic, not sure how it fits in.
 
This has been my life for the past three weeks: finding the patterns- both long-term and short-term. Or bandages as I call them.

My pattern: Not deserving + fear of failure+ self- doubt+ past experiences= constant cycle of triggers.
My friend calls it the "Trauma Queen" syndrome. That is copyrighted ;)!

I spent three years living with a Bipolar diagnosis, 30 different medications and countless weeks in bed.
Now, I'm detoxing off of toxic medications, major exposure therapy and trying to piece together my childhood. I can't remember anything up until age 12. I discovered that my deceased birth father was not in fact my biological father. I'm slowly beginning to remember and ask questions of everyone except my family. Too many secrets that have been hidden for so long that guilt has hampered any honesty.

Repeated trauma after that for 24 years... violent trauma patched up with bandaids because I was too concerned with what was coming next. I have no idea how to look into the future and make goals, manage money or have any dreams of my own. I live and exist for my family, in a way I suppose to give me purpose. Or to make up for what I'm not giving them in any other way.

I'm lucky enough to have an incredible husband who is an active partner in my recovery. How I held onto a relationship for ten years with abandonment issues, I have no idea. But, it's proof that the cycles can be broken. That I am strong. Most importantly, I no longer carry guilt and shame for what's happened.

The basic key that I've found is that if you take a current behavior and analyze it, look for where it could have come from. Nine times out of ten, it's the first hunch that you have. I keep a diary of all of my therapy sessions and any other notes that I make during the week. Reflection is scary, especially with our memories that are so tied into emotion. If you can take an observational role, it's so much easier to forgive yourself. I believe that is the main issue that we all face.

We are not to blame for our circumstances. We did the best that we could with what we had. But today, you have a choice: either live in the shame, pain and loneliness or gather up all of the love that you have for yourself (you're still alive, so you love something within) and face it head on. It's the only way.

And don't forget to question... always question. Educate yourself but stay away from opinions of others. No one else knows exactly what you are going through. Only empathy can support us in this process. There is no room for sympathy.

Good luck everyone. You can do this. You can be happy. You deserve everything and be fearless in expecting it.
 
I'm not sure about "self-victimization," but for me I can't even go outdoors alone, without immediately lapsing into flashbacks of school-bullying abuse, or other abuse that continued afterward, and I feel like that the shame and humiliation will always be there-- in the future as well as the past-- and it's a no-win situation, and I end up quarrelling with the abuse about what I could have done, or what I could do in the future; but feeling like nothing I can do will ever make a diference. I guess it's a bad idea to fight a feeling rather than accept it, since I was basically a prisoner then, and I feel like I still am. But even then, I feel hopelessly damaged and inferior to other people, and every day brings on a thousand inevitable comparisons and humiliations.
Everything I do in life is geared towards either fighting the feelings of fear, shame and humiliation or avoiding them; and feeling that any wrong move could just make it worse.
This all seems to have a common element of being judged by someone else, and abused; and I feel like this will always be the case, and it will continue to pile up, since I can't think without running into a dozen flashbacks, resulting in my trying to make sense of it in some way that won't leave me hurt and humiliated, but no luck.
 
I think Artista nailed it. Seeing the pattern in detail is a place to start. Changing the toxic thinking pattern? Um. In my three or four years of trying that, I can say from my own limited experience that it's difficult as hell. We will relapse and we'll have to keep pulling ourselves back on the wagon. Also in my experience, you can feel as though you've gotten somewhere, you've grown out of that poisonous mindset. . . and suddenly something happens, the anxiety disorder surfaces, and we're self-sabotaging again. But again -- I'm relatively new to the process of actively trying to recover, so I'm responding mostly because I identify with what you said.

@ Ms. Spock: "It is like if things go well something terrible will happen." Yeah - always waiting for the hammer to fall. Is that a self-fulfilling prophecy or what?

The Problem is being sure to sparate "toxic thinking"-- i.e. which causes trauma-- simply how you actually feel as a result of it; and it's vital to identify what you really feel-- esp. when it comes to trauma.
We live in a "band-aid," blame-the-victim society that just tells us to lie to ourselves and repress things, and just plain doesn't care about the person, telling us that we cause all our own problems;and to me it feels like Holocaust Denial when someone suggests that the problem is "negative thinking" when there's a history of real abuse.
"Toxic thinking" would be denying the abuse happened, or thinking that the victim deserved ior caused it-- which is a common temptation, since it's easier, and a common resolution which results in the trauma.
For example I was bullied in school, but I would get angy and protest it-- and eventually ran away from school after school until I was 13; and those memories don't seem to bother me so much,, I guess since I exercised some control.
It's what happened afterward that I can't stop thinking about, i.e. my parents forced me into a mental institution where I was a prisoner of abuse, and couldn't leave-- and was told that I "had to stop running away from my problems," and that if I didn't want to be there then it just prove that I needed to b there" etc.and basically do whatever they said in order to be obedient, literally a psychological lobotomy.
Basically it was Soviet-style blame-the-victim brainwashing, and this was a state-run facility; and they'd just DENY any abuse, physical or mental, incuding the abuse from the humiliation of imprisonment itself; they would say it was all my fault, and they just didn't care what they put someone through; and any show of anger over it would be punished as well: It was the old power-game, and I emerged with Stockholm Syndrome, but also ended up blaming myself for everything.
THAT'S where I start getting the major symptoms of depression, anxiety, and emotional flashbacks of situations-- mainly after I got out and began blaming myself for other people's abuse, or feeling helpless in forcing myself into hurtful situations so that "I didn't run away from things--." as well as fear of persecution for any false step, performaing a delicate balancing-act to avoid being hurt, as well as to avoid showing it.
It's this type of repression that causes a person to feel helpless, and so it's vital NOT to repress actual feelings as "toxic thinking" or any other similar buzzword. Lies cause the trauma,,and the worst thing we can do is deny our true feelings, since that tells us what's really going on.
 
This has been my life for the past three weeks: finding the patterns- both long-term and short-term. Or bandages as I call them.

My pattern: Not deserving + fear of failure+ self- doubt+ past experiences= constant cycle of triggers.
My friend calls it the "Trauma Queen" syndrome. That is copyrighted ;)!

I spent three years living with a Bipolar diagnosis, 30 different medications and countless weeks in bed.
Now, I'm detoxing off of toxic medications, major exposure therapy and trying to piece together my childhood. I can't remember anything up until age 12. I discovered that my deceased birth father was not in fact my biological father. I'm slowly beginning to remember and ask questions of everyone except my family. Too many secrets that have been hidden for so long that guilt has hampered any honesty.

Repeated trauma after that for 24 years... violent trauma patched up with bandaids because I was too concerned with what was coming next. I have no idea how to look into the future and make goals, manage money or have any dreams of my own. I live and exist for my family, in a way I suppose to give me purpose. Or to make up for what I'm not giving them in any other way.

I'm lucky enough to have an incredible husband who is an active partner in my recovery. How I held onto a relationship for ten years with abandonment issues, I have no idea. But, it's proof that the cycles can be broken. That I am strong. Most importantly, I no longer carry guilt and shame for what's happened.

The basic key that I've found is that if you take a current behavior and analyze it, look for where it could have come from. Nine times out of ten, it's the first hunch that you have. I keep a diary of all of my therapy sessions and any other notes that I make during the week. Reflection is scary, especially with our memories that are so tied into emotion. If you can take an observational role, it's so much easier to forgive yourself. I believe that is the main issue that we all face.

We are not to blame for our circumstances. We did the best that we could with what we had. But today, you have a choice: either live in the shame, pain and loneliness or gather up all of the love that you have for yourself (you're still alive, so you love something within) and face it head on. It's the only way.

And don't forget to question... always question. Educate yourself but stay away from opinions of others. No one else knows exactly what you are going through. Only empathy can support us in this process. There is no room for sympathy.

Good luck everyone. You can do this. You can be happy. You deserve everything and be fearless in expecting it.
I found a book a few years back that helps me more than the doctors do (however its not a subsitute to stop any treatment) "Victims No Longer" by Mike Lew. I'm a hard case for the doctors for I have an addictive personiality, I've taken every drug in the world and have abused them to the point that they do more harm than help, and if they can cause death I do not allow them into my home for I know when I enter my self destruct rage I have no control over myself I will (have) do what I can to end it.
I'm not sure where to put a list to what or how I am... Manic depressive with suicidal tendencies self destruction. I’ve attempted suicide more times than I can remember. Suffer from essential tremors brought on by years of abuse by my abusers and by my own hands. I can remember when I was 10 I started to cut myself at first it started to draw attention to my dilemma, which brought on even more abuse. So I learned how to cut myself in places that was not visible to others, by 15 I was an alcoholic because cutting wasn’t numbing enough. At 18 I joined the armed services for two reasons, one to escape my abusers and two to find the ultimate exit route from this planet. I served the best I could and found that with every action I took I got that recognition I so dearly craved. But it did not fully compensate for what I craved more than anything in life, Human touch!
I got married at young age thinking that it would fill that void in my life, it didn’t in fact it compensated something more sinister in me. I put in my time as a member of our armed services. The marriage didn’t last long for she was taken from me in less than a year from a drunk driver, it threw me into a downwards spiral that took years to recover from (and am not completely recovered from to date) for I still hold myself responsible for what occurred, and am filled with guilt for not being able to save her and my unborn child.
Months of being in a drunken stupor, months of reoccurring dreams of that night, and the many soldiers I had to make life and death decisions for occupied my mind. In a fit of rage in trying to remove the thoughts/dreams I intentional drove myself into a telephone pole on a motorcycle.
Years of therapy followed, therapy for what happened to my body from the accident and therapy for what it unlocked. At 38 I stopped the therapy for I felt it was doing more harm to me than good! It has put an end to my life with my family for the doctor insisted that I confront my abusers, That did not help in anyway did more harm than good for now I have no family I’m on my own. I thought finding a companion to help me coop at times would help... WRONG!! I find myself on the ground begging and putting myself in complete humiliation to just receive a touch, any touch even if it’s a hit! Then I find complete frustration at the world and everyone in it and blame myself for where I am, and those I try to make myself care for at blame because they have put me into this rage of frustration. The frustration that I have to grovel at the ground like the animal they made me into, the frustration that I am me and there is nothing I can do to change it, and the frustration that the only way I can get someone to touch me in a caring manner is to do major harm to myself to get a simple touch!
 
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