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Undiagnosed Remembering The Hell I Knew

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~Iceheart~

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Hello, and thank you for taking the time to read this. I know it's long, but I hope to explain my entire situation here as best as I can. To (hopefully) make things easier on the reader, I have a general table of contents below. Yes, this may be a bit much, but it means that you don't exactly have to read it in order! I hope I can explain this correctly and effectively, so please bear with me!

Table of Contents:
1.) General Information
2.) The extent of my trauma
3.) Why undiagnosed?
4.) My flashbacks and symptoms
5.) Other notes on the matter
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1.) General Information
Goodness, where to start... I am ~Iceheart~, and joined yesterday to see if there was anyone out there who had a similar situation, or any advice dealing with PTSD. My trauma occurred on October 2, 2012, but there is a lot of background information that is necessary for any of this to make sense. First off, I was diagnosed with a mood disorder at the age of six or seven, and forced into medication soon after. With the way I grew up, though I was loved, I learned early on about the monster that my emotions would make me. I hated myself, but knew that nobody else could see this truth, or I would be forced to face the shame and pain that ate me alive. I began to make an emotional mask, and brainwash myself into thinking I was a normal person. This changed when my mother tried to send me out of her house, because she was "tired of dealing with my mood disorder". She brought down a suitcase, and declared that I would be living with my father from now on. (They're divorced, but don't live too far from each other. I was too young when this happened to care). Everything shattered, my life would change by doing this. But when I called my father, he claimed that he "didn't have room for me" and to "call him in September". It was the end of June. My mother did take me back in, but the damage had been done. My walls had crumbled, and I had no idea who I was anymore.

This affected me greatly, and I began to realize just how deep this went. Finally, I said to my mother, "I'm depressed, and want to die." I expected understanding, and for the two of us to find a way to make things easier. The exact opposite happened. The way my mother acted only fueled fury inside me, and I ended up running my mouth about how, "I wished nothing more than to be dead and done." What she didn't know? I don't have the courage to act. Death and harm scare me beyond words. What she did later is what traumatized me, and was the ultimate betrayal.

She brought me to an ER, put me through a night of terror and anguish, and had me committed to a psych ward. A mental hospital. After finally being evaluated at the ER at one in the morning, they said to my mother, "Well, it doesn't seem like there's anything major here, but if you truly feel like she is a danger to herself, then we can take care of it." I begged and pleaded, in tears, but it did not sway my mother. "Take her." She had a look of pure sorrow in her eyes, and simply walked out of the room. I don't think I will ever fully be able to forgive her, even if she "only wanted to help me".

I spent a week at a psych facility that I will refer to as BHC. It was a living nightmare, and my definition of hell. I was forced into submission, living in more hatred for myself than ever before. I often say that, "Hell is cold, hell froze over long ago." It was literally around 40° in the building at all times. Videocameras, a flashlight check every fifteen minutes at night to make sure you were still breathing, and all of the adolescent unit was behind a chain-link box. My mother would come every day, and would storm out of the double doors in the same manner after instigating a massive fight in front of every other patient. I hated every minute, and firmly believe that I won't ever forget the worst week of my life.
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2.) The extent of my trauma
A year and a half later, I am still petrified of the mere thought of the place. The stories I heard, the poor other trapped souls. Granted, I am well aware that the purpose of those wards are to protect you and keep you safe. However, that is not how this place worked. They essentially just kept you from society, and treated you like you were an insane child. It was their way, or you stay. You have rights as a patient (ie. Ability to refuse service, etc.), but they still had their ways. They broke me.

The frigid halls
The blank white walls
The coruscating light
The threat is real
And all I feel
Still poisons me with fright

I must hide every last bit of this from my mother. I fear she will only return me as if I'm damaged merchandise that she wants to "fix". Even if this doesn't happen, the constant threat exists. If she found out, the life I have built from nothing will be demolished. I don't need her pitiful eyes, her justifications, her questions. I will always live in fear, whether she know as or not. I'd rather not make the same mistake that got me into this mess. I've learned it's better to keep her in the dark. When faces with this choice, I could not bring myself to follow through. Even if "it might not be as bad as I think", I'm just not ready. My life in hiding continues.
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3.) Why undiagnosed?
Well, let's just say this. Upon being told it sounded like PTSD, I freaked out a bit. "It honestly can't be that bad. It's just fear because the threat is still there... It isn't..." No matter how much I hated the thought, I became a bit curious. Took several online tests from major organizations (the only reason I am not citing them is because I am afraid my device will crash.), and they each said that it was likely that I had some form of PTSD, and that I should seek counseling. I was secretly put into trauma therapy, and decided to go from there. I was tested, and the results were interesting. Though I had experienced several of the symptoms, and the number was high enough to be classified as PTSD, I was not categorized as such simply because my "avoidance" wasn't a strong symptom. It was "such a major part" in the diagnosis, that they refused to call it PTSD. But really? If I were to try to avoid people, there would be major suspicion, and I would be found out. Plus, the way I learned to survive when I was young was to act as an extrovert almost as a distraction, and had used that of fool others and myself. So it's ingrained in me that I must surround myself with people. No matter how much I want to seclude myself sometimes, I repress it out of knowledge that that could easily be my giveaway. Do I want to say my situation is bad enough to be PTSD? No, but logic is currently pointing me there.
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4.) My flashbacks and symptoms
It's a bit odd how things work in my case. I do have some of the classic symptoms (nightmares, panic attacks, irritability, a stronger startle mechanism than before, flashbacks, etc.) But again, missing the "seclusion" element, and a few others that are not coming to mind. Another thing, there was no threat to my life. A big piece missing, right? I may not have that, but I had a feeling of helplessness and a level of fear that keeps me immobile to this day. That was even enough for the therapist to classify as significant enough. So it really is a tough call.

My panic attacks and flashbacks are a bit odd though. For flashbacks, I see everything in front of me again, as if it's happening, but it doesn't completely consume me. I am distracted, but still self aware. It is kind of in the midst of the rest if my vision. Another thing that happens is like a twisted daydream of things that never happened, but hit close enough to home where it sometimes leaves me close to tears. It's like a nightmare, but a daydream...

I don't even know what to say for the panic attacks. A thought or a trigger, one strong enough and it will unleash a tidal wave. Racing thoughts, panic, deeper breaths (but they aren't faster). I feel a strong urge to run from wherever I am at. It makes things very hard to process, only fear. I'm not even sure what more to say about that, but I will call it panic attacks for now at least.

My triggers, too many. Sirens, ambulances, mentions of hospitals, ERs, needles, harm. Jokes or comments on death or suicide. Some poetry. Cold, bright places. It's really really bad sometimes. At least I can recognize some of them though... It leads me to ask if there's hope though. I can't answer, at this point, I can't trust anything. I will have to figure things out as they come.
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5.) Other notes on the matter
After the hospitalization, I was numb for about four months. It just was what it was, I didn't think much about it. It wasn't pleasant, but better than the realization that greeted me around Super Bowl Sunday of 2013. That's when it struck me that I'm scared out of my wits. I don't ever want to return. The nightmares became more vivid, and things went downhill very quickly. I have been in the same (or a very similar) state since. There's no way to go back to the life I knew, that much is certain.

One thing that must be said again: I have never harmed or attempted suicide. It scares me beyond any description, especially after being in that hellhole. I don't have the guts to do so, nor do I believe I ever will. It isn't the answer. That said, I believe that everyone has the days where they loathe the fact that they are alive, and wonder if death would bring peace. That's where I have been at, rather, where I was back then. That misunderstanding changed my life, and I won't forget it.

I remember every minute of the night in the ER, and every inch of that ward. There isn't one day that goes by that I don't pay for breaking my silence. So now comes the question, is there anyone out there who can relate?

Again, I apologize for the length, and thank anyone for taking the time to read any of this. Thanks for not giving up on my massive, daunting wall of text. And to everyone, here's to healing~
 
Hi and welcome.

I think that your mother was right to hospitalize you. What choice does a parent have when their child says they want to kill themselves? She isn't a mind reader, so she had no way of knowing that you weren't going to act on it.

I'm not saying you deserved what happened to you in the hospital, or anything like that. Rather, look at things from a helpless parents perspective. In retrospect, yes, you should have gone to a better facility where you would have received help instead of becoming broken.

I just worry that you're angry at her when your anger should be directed toward those who harmed you in the hospital. It is easy to direct our anger in "safer" directions (ie family) as opposed to those who actually inflicted the trauma. Yes, she's done other things to you, however I'm not sure if it's beneficial to be angry at her when she was trying to help you.

You're looking at diagnosis in a black and white fashion. That is, "I am suffering so it must be the whole shebang PTSD". The truth is that you may just have PTS---post traumatic stress, without having the full disorder. Yes, avoidance is a huge part of the diagnosis. If don't have avoidance symptoms on par with diagnostic criteria, then no, it's not PTSD. You are also misunderstanding the diagnostic criteria. It's not just about avoiding people. It's about avoiding anything that reminds you of your trauma. That is, a rape victim may avoid anything sexual, sexual acts, movies and tv which depict anything sexual, going to the doctor for an exam of sexual body parts, etc.

Yes, you're suffering, and yes you need help. My point is to not get so caught up on the PTSD label.
 
Hello Solara, and thank you for taking the time to comment.

Yes, in that sense, I do see where she was coming from. That isn't exactly the part that gets me though. After simply taking me to the ER, she was given the advice of officials, and a choice. I can see her mindset, I truly can, but with the position I was put into, I have no real or logical way of looking at it. To this day, I feel it to be a betrayal due to the way things played out. However, I do understand she had my best interests in mind. Like you said, she was a helpless parent.

My frustration is not entirely put on her. And there is actually a bit more to it, I shall try to explain. Much of my anger goes to how the system was run, and by whom. The way that nobody paid any mind to the fact that we were essentially forced into submission. My mother had acted as though they would "fix" me. So it wasn't just for her putting me there, it was how she said I "wasn't healing" every day when she showed up on her own accord. I have convinced myself that her intentions were that of any concerned parent, but she took things much further. The only one who saw the truth of the place, and what it did to me was my father. He only came once, but was appalled to hear about me being locked up behind a metal cage. He said to me, "You must hate it here.." I just nodded, for once, he saw further than I could express. At this point, it's trust that is my main issue. But after putting me there (and later using the fact that she could take me back as a threat, once), I am beyond hesitant to tell her anything.

More on that threat, I hadn't actually said anything. One day, the trauma (that she doesn't know about) was so hard that I could not bring myself to get up. I knew I would break in half, and that would have been catastrophic. "Well, if you're too 'depressed' to get out of bed, then maybe I should take you back to that hospital." That is what I mean when I say the threat still exists. To her, I am not a child. I am a ticking time bomb. One so-called sign of depression, or anything of the sort, and she will ship me back there. One thing that must be known: my mother doesn't bluff.

Yes, she was trying to help. I do see that, and will not discredit her for having no other knowledge of what to do. But with these memories tearing my brain to shreds, I had adopted this mindset soon after things hit me hard. "It doesn't matter what her intentions were, or what pretense brought me there. My innocence, my ignorance was burned in that hellhole I won't ever forget that pain." It is a blind, blind way of thinking, and I am trying to break myself out.

Now that you say that, I do agree. PTSD is far from black and white. It is case by case, though I had looked at it the way I did partially because of the way the trauma therapist explained it to me. I appreciate you setting me straight. Some things, such as songs that played on the radio when I was stuck there, I avoid at all costs, but few things drive me that far. I know that is not the only element I am missing, but will agree that it sounds more like "PTS" rather than PTSD. Though I have done a good deal of research, my getting caught with the label itself threw me off at once. There is a lot I need to work on, and am glad I got some input. Thanks again
 
Hi Iceheart,

Welcome to the forum!

This was tough to read, but the reality is that as long as you are a minor, your parents do exercise a degree of control. I also realize that one post does not paint a full picture and there are probably a lot of other things involved. One question that I do want to ask, is has you mother gotten counseling? Have you done joint counseling? Sometimes having a neutral party to facilitate communication can go along way to increase understanding and mend a relationship.

Fear can cause people to react and honestly, when it comes to children and the role of a parent, you just want to protect them. That doesn't always guarantee making the best choice, but it is not a choice made out of wanting to see them hurt.

I hope you can continue your own path to healing and that you and your family can find a way to work through the issues.

Take care.

Debbie
 
Ouch. I understand more of your pain and struggle. I didn't realize you are still a minor and stuck with your mother for now. It must be horrifying to have the threat of hospitalization looming over your head. I didn't realize your situation when I made my last response. It makes sense why you're acting the way you do around other people as to not appear symptomatic.

Can you talk to a school counselor or other trusted adult? If you say no, I completely understand why not.

Perhaps for now it is best to read up on symptom management and learn coping skills on your own. It's tough to be without a counselor, but there are a lot of things you can learn by yourself without professional help. You can search the forum or ask more detailed questions in the appropriate forum here in the site. (I say this as not all members visit the intro forum so you may get more responses if you post questions on other areas of the site.)

When you turn 18 your mother won't have such power and control over you. If you confide in a therapist, you won't be forced into a hospital for just feeling depressed. To be honest, I had suicidal feelings coming and going so much at one point that my therapist said to only go to the hospital if I felt I was going to act on those thoughts. (So simply feeling suicidal won't make your therapist automatically hospitalize you.)
 
Good morning, intothelight:
Thank you, I do appreciate the welcome.

Sadly, that is the truth of the matter. In this situation, I had no control. That is what is so terrifying to me, that there was absolutely nothing I could do as the doors 'clicked' shut. I fully understand that it is something I must learn to accept, and that is also something that I will be trying to do.

Yes, we have both been in counseling before, I was forced into it at a very young age. However, after the trauma (again, she still has no knowledge that it is still affecting me. At least I doubt so), we have not. Not together anyway, I have been in group therapy since BHC, and it has helped. One thing I know from previous counseling with my mother is that, though she will agree to follow the advice to their face, she magically forgets when she leaves the office. Rather, she won't make a connection and disregards it. Either that, or she can use whatever is said against me. For these reasons, I am hesitant about doing anything. I have been burned far too many times before.

Yes, I understand that it is the role of any parent to protect their child. But I feel that she used it as her excuse to see if they could "fix" my mood disorder as well. If it was solely about me wanting to die, sure. But trying to hit two birds with one stone, especially in this way, was a bit harsh. I know I can't get rid of my disorder. I know it can't be stopped. I am on meds for it, but it isn't a cure-all method. The minute she said something insensitive in that place, and I snapped in defense, she just said, "You're not healing..." So it was about her general fear of me, she just had a valid excuse. I understand that my thoughts of death was her main concern, but with the way she handled the situation...

I wish she had attempted to try to work things out in the first place instead of shoving me into her car. If she hadn't done this, she might have garnered some respect for trying to actually talk things out and find an answer. No matter how many times I have tried to explain my mood disorder to her, she says, "I can't even imagine how hard that must be", and then proceeds to call me evil when she instigates a fight. So what would talking about this start? An unspoken war of her pushing her excuses for her actions on me? No, I already see her side and why she did what she did. She had a decent reason as a parent. But when she chose an involuntary hold, that felt like betrayal. I understand that that may be the view of a child, but that is what I saw at that moment at 1:27am. Beyond that, though I am capable of understanding what she did, she cannot. She does not know that level of terror. It can't be explained to her. And being a minor, I would lose any argument over it anyway. It scarred me in ways she cannot fathom, and won't ever be able to see it to the extent that it happened. I will forever try to overcome, but will have to deal with the threat hanging over me for a while more.

Thank you Debbie, I do appreciate it, and will keep all that you said in mind.
Take care~
 
Thank you once again, Solara,
Yes, I must still deal with this threat. I must run and hide in self-preservation, even if it seems childish. I'm a bit surprised that I made it this far, having passed the one-year anniversary for both the hospital and the little stunt in the summer. Those were the hardest to deal with, but I do know of one friend that I can trust, and she is what has kept me afloat in the last two years.

The school counselor knows. My mother told her everything. After having been stuck in that hell (twice, within a week of each other), my counselor not only took me out of every honors class I was in, but ended up blackmailing me out of my sport. I was supposed to go home that day (the stress of catching up on my work was too much), and my mother agreed to pick me up. "Go to the counseling office, and I'll meet you there". If I was leaving, why not the attendance office? Given that my counselor knew everything, it was the last place I wanted to go. I went anyway. [Background info, it was Halloween, and I was in cosplay. My mother wanted me out of my sport, but I had refused to give it up.] Almost immediately, the counselor talked about taking me out of the sport. I respectfully refused, and told her to drop the conversation after letting her know that the sport was the only reason I was still in school. What does she do? Brings in the school psychologist, just for saying no to dropping the sport. I immediately said, "Oh no, not happening. I'm going outside to wait for my mother. My counselor jumped in front of the door, and held me hostage. No matter how much I screamed for her to move, nothing happened. When my mother arrived, I said, "Thank god! They've been holding me captive. Let's go home please." "Wait, I want to talk to these women". It was a setup. They proceeded to debate my mental stability right in front of me. I was beyond close to being sent back for a third time. Another reason I have trust issues, and always sit by a door. I have refused to set foot in that building unless by force.

Long story, I apologize. Thank you for the suggestion, I will be sure to look into the information and study up. I will work on it!

When I turn 18, I won't look back. I will leave, and will not take this with me [of course, only figuratively is that possible]. That may be true in general, but if that was the case for me, I never would have gone. I am cautious about speaking of this trauma, but will find some way to heal despite this threat. That's all I can really do at this point. Thank you once again, I truly appreciate a neutral outside view.
 
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