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[Lee C]

Yes it was me mate, on here if need a chat mate

 

[anthony]

They don't mean anything... its just a post about the subject, no different than the wiki page on PTSD Forum about it, and pages all over the net.

If the USA VA get behind CPTSD as a diagnosis in the future, then it may get implemented, it may not.

Right now... if you read that page you read specifically CPTSD and the pages refers to the "type" of trauma. There is no actual diagnostic criteria or diagnosis that exists to give a person.

The APA have outright rejected CPTSD... so I doubt it will ever get listed in the DSM, as the USA VA don't dictate to the APA who control mental health.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist though, to recognise the shift the DSM has taken by moving trauma and stressor related illnesses out of other symptom isolated disorders, and under the umbrella of Trauma and Other Stressor Disorders, title, that they will expand this to isolate different types of trauma into further categorisations. What they will be... I do not know, nor does anyone else right now, as nothing has been released by the APA and any such discussion is only speculation and innuendo.... which is what every discussion on CPTSD has been for the last 20 years.

Its not recognised legally or medically... because it doesn't exist in any official diagnostic text.

 

[gibrokedown]

PTSD does not kill brain cells, that is complete nonsense.

TBI and PTSD differ as TBI is biological and PTSD is psychological. The symptoms of both are near identical, yet DOD's typically only recognise PTSD as a lifetime longevity, being equal to losing a limb. They don't recognise TBI as that equivalent, even though TBI mimicks PTSD symptoms, as the brain is proven to regrow brain cells, unlike decade old thinking that once a brain cell had died, that was it. That is true in essence, being it dies and is gone, though they now know new brain cells also grow in place, and damaged brain cells can repair themselves.

This is all proven through the advancements in neuro-imaging over the past decade... really coming to light since 2006/7 onwards, especially PET scanning.

There is no such thing as combat PTSD or complex PTSD, no such diagnoses exist... its all PTSD. Those names are used for the type of trauma, they are not an actual diagnosis though.

The DSM V is not splitting PTSD either... it will remain as PTSD, except it will no longer be an anxiety disorder, instead it will be recognised as a trauma and stressor disorder. This new category will no doubt see a lot more activity and possibly specificity over the further releases... but that is a long way away and completely unknown.

tell the neurologists who have been studying my grey matter for 20 years under mri etc... they are the ones backing up this theory, with science. also walter reed was studying it as well until they transferred into a double hospital down in annapolis. well, the VA here does in fact separate PTSD into categories due to how it was gotten. argue with them, ,hate them not me.

 

[gibrokedown]

Mate, I often do research to expand my knowledge and found this from the United States VA, what do they mean by Complex PTSD??

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it does exist. it's just a term for more severe symptomology is all. it is a way to separate those soldiers/marines etc.. with mild ptsd and those with damaging ptsd who may snap at any second and kill someone. there is a huge difference and people can argue all you want i spent hours and hours and hours researching this. i had a site pertaining to nothing but this. and you seem to want to contradict everything i say even though the government gave me the information. doctors with phds who are studying this exact thing gave me this info. so talk with them if you disagree with me. by the way jimmy this isn't aimed at you it's aimed at those who are saying I am full of it. which I am far from being.

 

[gibrokedown]

PTSD does not kill brain cells, that is complete nonsense.

TBI and PTSD differ as TBI is biological and PTSD is psychological. The symptoms of both are near identical, yet DOD's typically only recognise PTSD as a lifetime longevity, being equal to losing a limb. They don't recognise TBI as that equivalent, even though TBI mimicks PTSD symptoms, as the brain is proven to regrow brain cells, unlike decade old thinking that once a brain cell had died, that was it. That is true in essence, being it dies and is gone, though they now know new brain cells also grow in place, and damaged brain cells can repair themselves.

This is all proven through the advancements in neuro-imaging over the past decade... really coming to light since 2006/7 onwards, especially PET scanning.

There is no such thing as combat PTSD or complex PTSD, no such diagnoses exist... its all PTSD. Those names are used for the type of trauma, they are not an actual diagnosis though.

The DSM V is not splitting PTSD either... it will remain as PTSD, except it will no longer be an anxiety disorder, instead it will be recognised as a trauma and stressor disorder. This new category will no doubt see a lot more activity and possibly specificity over the further releases... but that is a long way away and completely unknown.

do you argue with me because you don't like me or what? because everything I've posted came from sources that are reliable. such as the military, va, medical resources , neurological resources, ptsd sites and resources.....

 

[gibrokedown]

PTSD does not kill brain cells, that is complete nonsense.

TBI and PTSD differ as TBI is biological and PTSD is psychological. The symptoms of both are near identical, yet DOD's typically only recognise PTSD as a lifetime longevity, being equal to losing a limb. They don't recognise TBI as that equivalent, even though TBI mimicks PTSD symptoms, as the brain is proven to regrow brain cells, unlike decade old thinking that once a brain cell had died, that was it. That is true in essence, being it dies and is gone, though they now know new brain cells also grow in place, and damaged brain cells can repair themselves.

This is all proven through the advancements in neuro-imaging over the past decade... really coming to light since 2006/7 onwards, especially PET scanning.

There is no such thing as combat PTSD or complex PTSD, no such diagnoses exist... its all PTSD. Those names are used for the type of trauma, they are not an actual diagnosis though.

The DSM V is not splitting PTSD either... it will remain as PTSD, except it will no longer be an anxiety disorder, instead it will be recognised as a trauma and stressor disorder. This new category will no doubt see a lot more activity and possibly specificity over the further releases... but that is a long way away and completely unknown.

why do you always argue with me anthony? do you just not like me for some reason? because everything i have posted is accurate and from resources that are credible. the VA, neurologists, regular Phds who are studying the effects of PTSD, MRIs on my 0wn brain over 20 years, the military definitions and regulations, books on health and neurology, (which i may add i was studying until my brain became too damaged to go to college anymore. I had a 4.0gpa and was in my final year in my BS in psych and neuro.

PTSD does not kill brain cells, that is complete nonsense.

TBI and PTSD differ as TBI is biological and PTSD is psychological. The symptoms of both are near identical, yet DOD's typically only recognise PTSD as a lifetime longevity, being equal to losing a limb. They don't recognise TBI as that equivalent, even though TBI mimicks PTSD symptoms, as the brain is proven to regrow brain cells, unlike decade old thinking that once a brain cell had died, that was it. That is true in essence, being it dies and is gone, though they now know new brain cells also grow in place, and damaged brain cells can repair themselves.

This is all proven through the advancements in neuro-imaging over the past decade... really coming to light since 2006/7 onwards, especially PET scanning.

There is no such thing as combat PTSD or complex PTSD, no such diagnoses exist... its all PTSD. Those names are used for the type of trauma, they are not an actual diagnosis though.

The DSM V is not splitting PTSD either... it will remain as PTSD, except it will no longer be an anxiety disorder, instead it will be recognised as a trauma and stressor disorder. This new category will no doubt see a lot more activity and possibly specificity over the further releases... but that is a long way away and completely unknown.

anthony why do you contstantly argue with me? is it you just don't like me? or is it something else? because everything i have posted came from a respectable source. The VA, the military itself, the brain research program at walter reed medical center, my own neuro research that has been done on my own brain over 20 years proving it DOES KILL LIVE TISSUE IN THE DAMAGED AREA, PTSD websites, and books, and therapists and my own studies, neurologists, Phds who are studying battle trauma and have designated the separations of severe and moderate ptsd. also the studies i did in college myself in psych and neuro til i couldn't anymore in the final year due to the brain damage getting so bad i couldn't function in college. my memory decreased dramatically and stabililty of my body functions such as balance etc... all decreased and continue to decrease in both reality and MRI. now I'd like to know why you are always contradicting everything and confusing the hell out of the other people on the site. it is a personal attack and i want to know why. I studied for years for hours at a time to find out about my own illnesses. no one can tell me the answers i found are incorrect. i did an entire book on ptsd related heart disease and heart attack. that came in the middle of my research for the other answers. now i have no beef with a single person on here but it sure seems I am under incoming attack. and i want to know why.

 

[gibrokedown]

Can you give me a link or something where the connection has been found. It would be interesting to look at PTSD being a parasite that kills brain tissue rather than a disorder brought on by exposure to a life threatening trauma.

jimmy who put parasite in your head? it wasn't me. it's not a parasite although it could be called a parasitic nature. what happens is the damaged tissue is already dead, in an attempt to cleanse the area the body sheds the dead cells, once those are shed the ptsd says omg what are you doing you're killing us! and starts to try to build new neural pathways but in a f*cked way cuz it's not it's job. so it actually destroys regular, normal pathways already there instead. understand? and if i absolutely must go digging through 20 years of information to be believed I shall. but it will take time. it took massive amounts of time and research and talking with tons of people to get the info i got. i don't care what anyone believes i see you believe anthony and that's fine live your life however you wish. i will go with what the doctors have found within my head. the research continues down in VA at the new annapolis hospital which is the old walter reed and the annapolis naval hospital combined now. they are doing studies on TBIs and how they progress over the years. hence some of my material findings. i was supposed to be in the program but because i was from 20 years ago they wanted the guys who were just coming back to see it from day one. I already have 20 years of damage done. but they can see this change on MRI every time they do one. more of the tissue is dead every time. :( soon I won't have memory, personality, or balance. because it was my temporal lobe. i just pray it waits until my kid is in her 20s and out of college so i can remember it. but who knows how fast it will destroy my brain. it seems to move fairly slowly. and they don't know if it ever stops. that's why they watch old timers like me. it's so nice to have two people attack me on a site i am supposed to be feeling safe on. thanks guys. i appreciate being kicked while i'm down.

 

[Jimmy1]

Elise, you have to understand the veterans we get on here. Nearly all of them have PTSD that's factual, however, over the time I have been here, there have been all types of whacko's. We have had people that believe that the government is watching their every move, even having their own MD's brainwashed etc, etc.
We have other soldiers who's psychosis is so bad that they have disrupted the whole forum.
Its not a matter of me believing Anthony over you, I just need to see the written evidence. For example, I posted this.

Mate, I often do research to expand my knowledge and found this from the United States VA, what do they mean by Complex PTSD??

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And Anthony replied with this.

They don't mean anything... its just a post about the subject, no different than the wiki page on PTSD Forum about it, and pages all over the net.

If the USA VA get behind CPTSD as a diagnosis in the future, then it may get implemented, it may not.

Right now... if you read that page you read specifically CPTSD and the pages refers to the "type" of trauma. There is no actual diagnostic criteria or diagnosis that exists to give a person.

The APA have outright rejected CPTSD... so I doubt it will ever get listed in the DSM, as the USA VA don't dictate to the APA who control mental health.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist though, to recognise the shift the DSM has taken by moving trauma and stressor related illnesses out of other symptom isolated disorders, and under the umbrella of Trauma and Other Stressor Disorders, title, that they will expand this to isolate different types of trauma into further categorisations. What they will be... I do not know, nor does anyone else right now, as nothing has been released by the APA and any such discussion is only speculation and innuendo.... which is what every discussion on CPTSD has been for the last 20 years.

Its not recognised legally or medically... because it doesn't exist in any official diagnostic text.

Anthony created this site to help veterans and has been doing so for longer than I have been on here. He does not hate you, he just needs official documents to back it up.

So, if you can find some documents which quote PTSD as being parasite like then he will support you.
And if they have been studying your brain for twenty years then there should be some.

 

[Jimmy1]

jimmy who put parasite in your head? it wasn't me. it's not a parasite although it could be called a parasitic nature. what happens is the damaged tissue is already dead, in an attempt to cleanse the area the body sheds the dead cells, once those are shed the ptsd says omg what are you doing you're killing us! and starts to try to build new neural pathways but in a f*cked way cuz it's not it's job. so it actually destroys regular, normal pathways already there instead. understand? and if i absolutely must go digging through 20 years of information to be believed I shall. but it will take time. it took massive amounts of time and research and talking with tons of people to get the info i got. i don't care what anyone believes i see you believe anthony and that's fine live your life however you wish. i will go with what the doctors have found within my head. the research continues down in VA at the new annapolis hospital which is the old walter reed and the annapolis naval hospital combined now. they are doing studies on TBIs and how they progress over the years. hence some of my material findings. i was supposed to be in the program but because i was from 20 years ago they wanted the guys who were just coming back to see it from day one. I already have 20 years of damage done. but they can see this change on MRI every time they do one. more of the tissue is dead every time. :( soon I won't have memory, personality, or balance. because it was my temporal lobe. i just pray it waits until my kid is in her 20s and out of college so i can remember it. but who knows how fast it will destroy my brain. it seems to move fairly slowly. and they don't know if it ever stops. that's why they watch old timers like me. it's so nice to have two people attack me on a site i am supposed to be feeling safe on. thanks guys. i appreciate being kicked while i'm down.

I have never said I had a parasite in my head??? I only believe in what I read that is why I often ask my own psych's and other people on the site, like Anthony. Think about this Elise. You come on this site raving about shit like...

well, jimmy they have studied me for years and come to the conclusion that yes there is a direct connection between TBI and PTSD. not one that anyone would think. one doesn't cause the other or anything like that. what happens is the PTSD becomes a parasite and begins to kill brain tissue in the area that was damaged. Every year i see more gone, due to this. One day I won't have a temporal lobe. meaning i will have zero personality, zero personality control, zero emotion. ......balance...etc.. will all be affected including memory. I hope i die before this point comes honestly. it doesn't seem like a life i wish to lead.

Don't come on here and start playing the blame game. If you post something like what you did above, and can't back it up with official medical journals then you will get what you get.

Now you have just pissed me off. Anthony can fight his own battles, but he is one of the most neutral people here and calls it as he see's it.

Don't talk to me......

 

[gibrokedown]

I have never said I had a parasite in my head??? I only believe in what I read that is why I often ask my own psych's and other people on the site, like Anthony. Think about this Elise. You come on this site raving about shit like...




Don't come on here and start playing the blame game. If you post something like what you did above, and can't back it up with official medical journals then you will get what you get.

Now you have just pissed me off. Anthony can fight his own battles, but he is one of the most neutral people here and calls it as he see's it.

Don't talk to me......

i said i could back it up , but since you already made your decision fine i won't go near you in any way shape or form. so it was an attack on my person i am not completely blind to abnormal behavior. so only one person can be correct on this forum is that it? he has been on my ass since day one jimmy but you wouldn't know this. and you have jumped on the bandwagon apparently before you even know anything about me. fine shoot before you even know if i am the enemy that's on you. oh and get it straight I never said anyone said they had a f*cking parasite in their head. and if you write off fellow vets so easily i don't need you anyway.

 

[gibrokedown]

Elise, you have to understand the veterans we get on here. Nearly all of them have PTSD that's factual, however, over the time I have been here, there have been all types of whacko's. We have had people that believe that the government is watching their every move, even having their own MD's brainwashed etc, etc.
We have other soldiers who's psychosis is so bad that they have disrupted the whole forum.
Its not a matter of me believing Anthony over you, I just need to see the written evidence. For example, I posted this.



And Anthony replied with this.



Anthony created this site to help veterans and has been doing so for longer than I have been on here. He does not hate you, he just needs official documents to back it up.

So, if you can find some documents which quote PTSD as being parasite like then he will support you.
And if they have been studying your brain for twenty years then there should be some.

that is the stuff i was talking about. the separation between complex and simple ptsd, but everything i say is bullshit anyway. as you put it so ill leave it at that. I NEVER SAID IT WAS A f*ckING PARASITE YOU DIDN'T READ IT RIGHT!!!! I SAID IT CAUSES DAMAGE TO THE ALREADY DAMAGED TISSUES FROM THE INJURIES INCURRED DURING A TBI.
and i am very sorry for those troops who suffer from complex ptsd with psychosis it breaks my heart. those are usually the ones who commit suicide because they can't handle the psychosis and flashbacks that are so bad they don't realize they are in a different reality. all i can say is i hope they find peace without suicide and they can always come to me, i will never leave a fallen soldier/marine behind.

 

[gibrokedown]

don't worry i will not longer talk to you or to anthony. if anthony doesn't want me here, fine. i shall leave even though I've done absolutely nothing wrong. just because you guys have thin skin and don't believe the facts I've shared and want to start a fight which is actually very childish. especially with someone who has brain damage, and ptsd combined yah that's a fair fight. two fairly healthy men against one damaged brained female who can hardly deal with the daily items needed to survive. I don't give a shit now if you believe me or not. I know what i read, i know what i've discussed with professionals, i know what I've studied. i may be losing my memory but two things i try to retain, anything that can help me, and anything about my daughter. the rest is just slush to me. i thought you guys were a welcoming group. i was wrong. you attack a depressed soldier. smart, and vicious too. if anthony has psych training as he says he would know that would send a ptsd vet over the edge. our lonliness is bad enough. the pain is bad enough, but all you two focus on with me is how i tried to help. apparently it wasn't good enough for you. so do whatever you want. kick me out, don't talk with me I don't give a shit anymore. I don't give a shit about anything anymore. I haven't for awhile now. you are just the tip of the iceberg that sunk the titanic. have a great life hurting people jimmy.