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I dont agree with "doin the whole village" kind of thinking, murder is murder I wish he got thrown in front of a afghan court.

Hey cdn_ infanteer. This comment of yours....... Are you serious? His country sends him to war no less than five times, ignores his pleas for help and then you want to have him executed.....Which would be the end result for a trial in Afghanistan.

What I don't get is why they let civilians live in a war zone anyway. Shouldn't they be refugees in a camp somewhere. Nobody let the civies hang around in WWII. They got sent or killed. Immediately.

The whole hearts and minds shit never worked anywhere.

Wagon
 
We also know the story of the Enigma machine and the codes that were cracked. Its common knowledge that Churchill knew when bombings were going to happen, but he could not let the Germans know he knew. It would have spoilt the ruse. How many families were wiped out then.
I think that US soldier did the wrong thing, regardless of whether he had a mental illness. There is not enough evidence to make any real decision though. He may have snapped, or he may have been cold and calculating, we really can't judge till all the evidence comes out.

I think of the times before I was on medication where I have snapped and have done and said things that I don't remember. It scares me.
I know men and women scheme and could be a part of the enemy forces there, but not the kids, thats all.
And if it was an Aussie, I would want them brought home and put in jail for life. In actual fact, military law for Australians whilst at war is severe. Very severe. I would hope it be the same for other countries.
 
Leavenworth for the US. Make big rocks into medium size rocks....make them into little rocks......make them into gravel. For life. He will probably end up there.
 
Was it PTSD? Probably that and a lot more. We need to bring our soldiers home. The pychiatric damage and injuries our soldiers have suffered will be becoming apearant for decades to come even if we brought them all home now. the physical injuries are visibly apearant now, but as they age, how much more suffering will they endure? How many more need to suffer with little to no gains in the war effort. Every time we kill a terrorist, another one or 10 joins the cause.

Russia learned the hard way Afganistan can't be tamed. Now it's our turn in the hotseat. No matter how good our intentions are, the lifestyle we are trying to impose goes agianst thier culture and religion. Short of killing everybody over the age of puberty and retraining everyone to our standards there is no "win" for us to stick around for. In my opinion, we should pull out. As the country modernizes, access to TV and the internet, people will learn to stand up for themselves and not follow thier tribal leaders blindly. Information is power, education is power. If you look at every despot regeim in history, the among the first people to be killed were the educated and the educators, the political and judicial elite that would resist, the news media all in the opening rounds. After they are established, information is strictly controled. Look at China and North Korea. That part of the world will not be forced to join the "western" world. Forcing them to do so radicalizes the faithful.

The only way to "win" this war now is to modernize their infrastructure so everyone has access to TV and the internet. Improve the powergrid, water and waste, the tranportation superstructure, and everyone have a dependable personal vehicle. When people have true freedom instead of being forced to do what the tribal leaders say, then we will make progress. Being that this isn't going to happen any time soon we should pull out in my opinion. Often our "improvements" are destoyed by local terrorists shortly after they are finished. Yes, I believe it will turn into a shit hole again if we leave, but the longer we stay, the less welcome we will be, the sucesses we have had will be lost, and the more losses and suffering we will have. When we stop our humanitarian monitary, food and medical aid, they will realize just how much we have been helping them. When our military personell and contractors are no longer there to spend their paychecks, they will realize just how much of their economy has benefited from our presence.

Oversimplified exagerated example: Americans... SUV driving, Iphone, latte loveing, internet junky with the 51' LCD flatscreen TV on in the background. They arn't going to rock the boat that is giving them that lifestyle.

This is just my opinion. I was never there, and form my opinions on the many news articles I've watched and read from many sources for as long as the war has been going on. I don't just absorb the popular "news" that is force fed Americans by the big media corporations. I try to access news from other countries and from both sides of the non-biased news in American media.

Sorry if this is rambling. Pain meds are kickin my ass and making it hard to concentrate. Lack of sleep isn't helping either.
 
Perhaps I just remember to much from Viet Nam. I knew this would happen, just a matter of time. What ever the reason he killed the people I understand. Is it right, hell no. Is it wrong hell no. Is it going to happen anyway hell yes.

As far as the kids go I do not feel any different about them than the adults. I have seen to many of our guys killed by kids, three year old babies with bombs in there blankets. Sense we can not kill them we need to get out. We been having these stupid half ass wars sense after WW2. Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan, all the same shit. These bastards killed close to 3000 people in New York City in one day and another 3000 of our guys, both Americans and Brits, and Asussie, and Canadians, and other brothers in this shit hole

I hate war, I hate killing, but if we are going to have a war then stop screwing around and kill everyone that is in the way. Surrender or die and I mean everyone. Stand by and let the people who run your country do what the Talaban
has done then you have a large amount of the responsibility for the outcome.

This is a friggin political nightmare and I for one am feed up with seeing our guys killed and coming home screwed up. We got no balls to have a real war anymore, and we have turned into a bunch of pussys.

The only way to deal with people willing to strap C4 to their body and blow them self up is to kill them and everyone they know. I been call a baby killer from the day I returned from Viet Nam, and now I am ready to be one.

And yes I am a hard core son of a bitch, but it is us or them. The only thing they understand and are willing to back down from is the real threat of complete destruction. Winning hearts and minds, what a load of horse shit.
 
I knew this would happen, just a matter of time. What ever the reason he killed the people I understand. Is it right, hell no. Is it wrong hell no. Is it going to happen anyway hell yes.

Winning hearts and minds, what a load of horse shit.

I spent 5 years in Northern Ireland and the only people who think you can seperate squaddies and civilians are f#+king clueless politicians (so their 'consciences' don't hurt).
Were Del Wood & Dave Howse lynched by a bunch of civvies or killed by PIRA 'soldiers'?
You tell me because I watched it happen live and I don't know even now.
It's them & us. Anyone who talks about 'limited' conflicts hasn't been near it. You look after your own, bust.
 
Another f up is that the media needs to be involved in everything. I believe the media may be serving to keep things honest (I also think it may be a big sham). But really, it just gives the other side more power. In guerilla war the Political and the Military are one in the same. They play this shit like a fiddle. Our play nice war tactics are a sure way to lose. Media black out, do the job, get out, tell the story later.

Does anyone really think they sat down with reporters ahead of D-Day to give them detailed briefs about how careful we were going to be? Or that we were invading at all for that matter. Today we have "Surges" and "Spring Offensives". Hey lets tell the whole damn world we're coming.

Just sad that that 10 years of hell could have probably been solved with a good 60 days of missile attacks and bombings. Somebody would cry uncle. Also be a good warning to anyone else who wants to f*ck around. Pretty much thought that's what all the tax dollars we spent were for. Not this horse shit.
 
It just seems sad all the way around. Biggest question is: WTF ARE WE DOIN' THERE??????

When we leave it will take all of 10 seconds for it all to revert back to how it was. It's not worth the blood of one soldier as far as I'm concerned. Let them grow their poppies and stop makin' us be the police of the world. We've got enough problems right here in the good ol' US of A to last us quite a while. We should be spending out money on us not in some butt f**ked country half way to hell anyway.

And the other thing is; how many tours are too many??? 1, 3,5 ???????? These guys are burnt out, toasted and we still send them back. We set them up for this shit to happen. I truly don't think we'll ever know the 'actual' truth of what, why and when about this whole thing. For sure someone's gotta get blamed and burn for this and it will probably be that sgt. As I said, it's just sad all the way around.

Jar

P.S. I still say nuke the whole area; there won't be any trouble from there for a long time. Rant done.
 
We all know the answer to why we were there. Payback in the start for 9/11. But that was done with.
We got Saddam, and Bin Laden, and as they have said we will never rid the world of all Al Queda. Maybe if we left with a promise. And make the promise global. Any act of terror and were there in a heartbeat.
 
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