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@lostforgottensoul - you asked a question that sparked a conversation. You seem to be reading criticism where I think the intention of responses was to simply generate a dialogue abot the situation.

No one said “You’re doing this wrong”. You were offered different perspectives to consider. I’m really not sure why you’ve become so defensive about it.

@joeylittle I think that it’s going to come down to the individual and their attitude, much like any recovery process.

For example, my nan recently broke her arm. She had it plastered, and put in a sling. After 6 weeks, the sling was removed (the plaster comes off at 8 weeks). That’s a defining moment in recovery - people tend to go one of 2 ways.

The first option? Is they embrace the fairly painful rehab exercises required to get their arm moving again. It’s painful, but long term, they have good prospects of recovering their range of motion and function.

The second option? Is they balk at the pain, and either don’t fully engage in the painful rehab, or worse, they go back to using the sling because it alleviates the pain. That’s a pretty common reaction. Not everyone engages with the painful stages of rehab. Some people adjust their life to living with their arm in a sling, because it’s less painful.

Having a SD? I think it can definitely make you more aware of your own symptoms. Much like the broken arm, some people are going to just become reliant on their dog, and not necessarily make the most of the opportunity to use it to project their recovery forward.

But that’s not going to be true for everyone. Some people can (and do) use having a dog alerting them as a stage of their recovery, moving themselves to the point where they either no longer need a SD, or at least become less reliant on their dog.

My dog makes it possible for me to do my grocery shopping without panic attacks or dissociative episodes. It’s up to me whether I use a SD to go grocery shopping for the rest of my life, or whether I use this as a stage in my recovery, with the ultimate goal being able to complete the task without my dog.

Some stragies for coping, like alerting when it’s medication time? I think are simply useful. Lots of people take medication each day, and it’s fairly normal for a person to have some kind of system in place to remind them, “It’s medication time”. My dad? Leaves his meds in the cereal box. That’s his system. A SD? Is just another system.
 
My dad? Leaves his meds in the cereal box. That’s his system. A SD? Is just another system.

That's what my therapist said. Not vetbatium. He said that there are many tools to deal with and heal from trauma. A service dog is just one of those.

I also do not plan to use a service dog specificlly for PTSD for the remainder of my life. I honestly can't see why one would if they are moving along the way of healing and is not stuck. Chopper enables me to go to the grocery store without disocciating and ending up god knows where. I hope to use tools to be able to stop that from happening at all but in the meantime I can at least get groceries.
 
Need a chance to laugh about life with a service dog? Google Drew Lynch and Dog Vlog. It’s pretty hilarious and he has a bridge building / educational attitude when it comes to advocacy for people with disabilities. I just binge watched a handful of his shows because I so needed to laugh. It was therapeutic.
 
I think I was a bit unclear before and was in the beginning of a melt down and didn't know it and also am used to vile hatred from groups of service dog handlers on youtube so I tend to always be in defense mode due to that so I appologize for my over reaction.

Anyway, Chopper doesn't alert to just my heart rate increasing. That happens all the time as my nocotine vaporizer causes my heart to race and do flip flops in my chest. He doesn't care about that. He also doesn't alert to just heavy breathing. Pain causes that a lot and though at times he will look at me to ensure I'm ok, he doesn't alert to it.

He alerts to behaviors put together that only happen when my anxiety is high. To let me know to step aside in an out of the way place, do DPT (or will have him block in front of me if I can remain standing) and calm down as I am about to disoccoate. I don't know of everything I do during that but its heart rate + irregular breathing (I hold my breath as well which he alerts to that so it's not just heavy breathing) + shaking and other behaviors like skin picking, scratching, digging my nails into my skin amoung other things (which he intrupts and I do these things without knowing I doing it hense why I need an alert to tell me I am doing it).

His anxiety and panic alert isn't what he was doing during sex. The heavy breathing, heart rate increase, and def anxiety isn't what he was confused about. It was the sounds. Hate to be TMI but the moaning. I tested this out over the last few days and it was the moaning. It's his nightmare waking and auto DPT that he does is what he was doing. I don't think he knows to only do that when I am asleep as I have to be awake to train it. And he has gotten super good at it. Everytime I have woken up from a nightmare over the last 6 or so months he's either on me doing DPT or he is licking my face to wake me up. Which is how I trained it. And I have yet to wake up running or hurting myself during a night terror since he's been doing that task. And that task is done when off duty during the night time.

I tested out each part of sex and this is what he jumped up for each time. I do moan due to pain and he comes to me during that as well but I usually need his help at the time so never thought to discourage it.

I've done a few training sessions where I make these moaning sounds in many places in the house and reward him for staying in his bed in the livingroom and not jumping up. Have done this at odd out of the blue times. I then put him in the bed and I in the recliner in my room (which is where we both sleep) and rewarded him for responding. I then laid on the bed with him off the bed (I don't sleep on the bed but obviously had sex on the bed) and he did not respond. I am successfully teaching him to only respond to that when I am in the recliner and he's on the bed. I'm not sure how I will teach this if the Drs can get me back in the bed at night. Maybe to only respond when he is in the bed with me but not to if he's not. Not sure yet.

But nightmare waking is what he is confusing it with. Not the anxiety/panic alert.
 
You know what I'm wondering @Freida. There are many things available to veterans that aren't to civialians. Due to the site I found about the IRS only allowing visual, hearing, and physical disabilities to be written off of taxes, do you know if having a service dog due to PTSD caused by veteran duties has anything to do with that? I've had so many doors slammed in my face due to not being a veteran. Service dog programs, trainers, help. All asked if I was a veteran and all then said either "I can't help you" or the programs said "well it will be a 5 yr wait if you even get a dog". I guess veterans are moved up the line. And I am very aware non-veteran PTSD surffers have program dogs and didnt have to wait 5 yrs but this is what I was told by all 3 programs I spoke to. So, due to that experience, I am just wondering if being able to write your service dog off on your taxes has anything to due with being a veteran or not.

ETA: And I hope I didn't offend any veterans. I don't mean anything bad by it. Just wanted to see if this is one of those things that are avail to veterans that aren't avail to civialians as there seems to be a lot of those things when it comes to service dogs for PTSD.
 
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hmmmm -- I'm hoping my tax gal didn't get it wrong because she didn't say anything about it being vet only. Eeek.
I get what you mean about trying to find help and not being a vet. That happens in the vet community too. A lot of the programs out there are limited to combat vets, which is why I had to hire my trainer to work privately to work with us. The waiting list thing is common too -- it usually runs at least 2 or 3 years. Still not as bad as 5, but.....
 
The waiting list thing is common too -- it usually runs at least 2 or 3 years. Still not as bad as 5, but.....

It is and I know it is but the way they instantly asked, it made it seem like if I had been a vet I could have gotten a dog way faster if not right away. So many programs give dogs to only vets. I understand the importance but it just makes it frustrating when there is help only for vets and not any help for the rest of us. You know? I could be wrong about how long it would take to get a service dog from one of the programs if I had been a vet. Its just the feeling I got by what they said. One program told me I couldn't have PTSD or possibly need a service dog if not a vet. Really? Gosh, I didn't see that on Crit A. Nor in the ADA for service dogs. Programs need to stick with what they are good at and leave diagnosis and "prescribing" a service dog to the professionals. Left a super bad taste in my mouth for programs. And I did not call the programs that advertised for veterans. I actually called the ones that specificlly fidn't say anything about veterans for that reason.
 
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