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Sex With Therapist

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I gave him $1000 cash for Christmas, too. I just felt endebted to him or something or wanted to win him over. What was I thinking!
 
I gave him $1000 cash for Christmas

I remember a thread about this.

I'm so heart breakbroken and disappointed by this.

I know it sucks BUT at least you see it now and didn't get damaged by having sex with him. I know that damage and it is not fun.

First, report him. Many times a therapist will be able to still work with a client under supervision. Either way this needs to be reported or other damaged girls may be out there.

Polietly exit therapy. You want to take a break or any fake excuse you can think of to get out of there. Or just cancel back to back appointments to find another therapist. Then transfer your records so you never have to have that conversation.

Either way, please be safe!
 
I remember the thread about the money and folk saying to you that him being prepared to accept such a large gift suggested his ethics weren't where they needed to be.

His exchanges with you in this last session sound like he's playing with you. He knows this is an issue for you and won't clearly set a boundary for you - my sense is he wanted you to say "no, you're not selfish, you are attractive" at best to stroke his ego...

I agree with others, just don't go back. Please don't use the attachment you have for him as s reason to keep going - your attachment will resolve itself as you put some distance between you and this therapist. It's your choice whether you report him or not - your first duty is to youself so keep yourself safe first.
 
I'm going to give some controversial advice.

I'd suggest you go back, do a final session, and tell him what you have figured out about sex and power, in your own life. Tell him why you are leaving.

It may be a short session - very possibly would be. But from the outside, this looks to me like he was one step along the road of figuring out what you need to work on, and understanding your own pitfalls better. You intuitively defaulted to a solution - sex - that would allow you to feel equally in control of the situation, perhaps more so. Now, this isn't me saying you are a bad person - not at all. The important thing is always what you figure out, not the weird things that happen on the way there.

I think doing a closure session gives you a better chance at moving forward from the whole thing, instead of part of it remaining stuck in the back of your mind. It will be empowering in a way that is not about leverage - it will be empowering because you will be able to say what you need, and leave on your own terms.

Then, do whatever you like. Report him if you think it's the right thing to do. I can't quite agree with the people who are 100% certain he was grooming you - I think there's a 50% chance he's really just that clueless, and that he was coming at it from a pseudo-freudian angle, taking sex as a metaphor. And yes, a 50% chance that he was angling for an affair.

If you want to know, you can even ask him.

I would not suggest going back if you had reservations about leaving. But if you know that it doesn't really matter what he says - you can't see him as your therapist anymore - then I truly recommend closure. If you have any fear for your physical safety, bring a friend and have them wait right outside the door.
 
I'm going to give some controversial advice.

I'd suggest you go back, do a final session, and tell him what you have fi...
Thank you, I am going to do just that. I told him I need a final session to discuss this but that I need to cancel our sessions going forward. I am going back and forth between tremendous relief and terrible grief. I am so attached to him. It's so disappointing. I have no other outlet for this trauma and I hate being alone with this but I don't see any other choice but to leave him. Time to finally put on my big girl panties and move on.
 
I'm probably about 70% sure he is wobbling with his boundaries to a mild or strong extent and 30% still open to the idea that he could be being Freudian and not doing a very good job. Personally don't see anything obviously predatory but I am usually cautious to jump to conclusions. I think its wrong he accepted the money and I think you need to examine why you gave it. Someone needs to do a lot of boundary related work with you. Also saying that without judgment.

I think the last session closure suggested is an excellent idea. Remember too that we aren't there and you get to use your own brain and intuition about what is going on here. We aren't there and have access to only little. The only thing you need to accept totally is that sex with a t is off the agenda always.
 
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I'm probably about 70% sure he is wobbling with his boundaries to a mild or strong extent and 30% still open to the ide...
i agree. I am not going to report him at all. But it does seem he was leaving the door open for the possibility of sex.

I cant believe I'm a grown ass woman crying over a therapist when I have a healthy loving supportive network. I am so heartbroken over this. I had never shared any of this with anyone and I purged my soul to this person. I I told him things so graphic I was afraid it would kill him just hearing it. I feel both betrayed and rejected by him for some reason. I actually went to a new therapist today to discuss what has been going on and he confirmed that my psychologist is terribly ill informed at best. God, a whole year I did this. Most of the time 2x week. I was spinning my wheels trying to get support from him when nearly every interaction was so triggering that I could hardly see straight or talk in session. Pure insanity. He should have known months ago he was out of his league and redirected me somewhere else.
 
He should have known months ago he was out of his league and redirected me somewhere else.
Smart observation.

I actually ask my therapist this, about every six months. If he still believes he knows enough to treat me, how he thinks it's going from his perspective...I find it helpful to have a kind of 'where we are in the process' check in like that.

I also ask him what he would say to me if he could just say exactly what he was thinking, as opposed to worrying about framing it therapeutically. I describe it as "the thought or change of behavior that you would impose on me, if you had that ability ". It's always an interesting conversation.

Next therapist - make sure there's an actual trauma therapy/trauma processing plan that you and therapist can discuss. With goals.
 
I'm sorry he did that and I know it hurts badly! :hug:

I am so very glad you saw a new therapist and started with a new person!

I actually ask my therapist this, about every six months. If he still believes he knows enough to treat me, how he thinks it's going from his perspective...I find it helpful to have a kind of 'where we are in the process' check in like that.

I do that as well. I always think I am too complicated or too much for him but he usually tells me all sorts of things he sees from his view that I can't see at that moment and it really helps to work that all out.
 
I am going to be very blunt here and say that I'm baffled at the lack of insight about the therapeutic process in this thread. Every therapist worth their salt understands the value of transference in therapy. It is THE single most fruitful occurrence that can happen to unlock the very reasons the client came to therapy in the first place. In fact, therapists rejoice when a client brings up matters of transference: it is the only relationship they are completely privy to, not just in the abstract, and have their own point of view on with which they can meet the client's projections.These matters are not settled with a simple "I would never sleep with you." It would be negligent to leave it at that.

After assuring you that there is no sex to be had, that he would never "become sexual with a client," every good therapist would continue the discussion in the roundabout why you describe. Precisely because it is not about whether or not he thinks you are attractive (and would, in a different situation, sleep with you,) but why YOU actually think he would. His question, "what would be in it for you? It would be a very selfish thing of me to do," is legitimate, and one any trained therapist would ask: What about this dynamic makes you attracted to me? What underlying beliefs about relational power do you have that would lead you to think of this in a sexual way? Why do you think I, in my position, would take advantage of you?

What looks like flirting in the "real world" is actually the result of years of training and experience on part of good therapists. He was onto you, not coming on to you.

The fact that he commented on your appearance is neither here nor there. In fact, our discomfort with having men comment on our looks says more about our own insecurities and ambivalence about the relationship than their actual intentions. There is a way in which women use men's comments, distort them to mean some sort of come on, to confirm their own desirability - to feel some sort of power over the relationship, to matter. There is a lot of projection at works here.

I don't feel bad for this therapist - with his experience he has probably encountered transference of this kind, and the ways it can go wrong, many times. But I feel bad for you that you terminated a therapeutic relationship that had the rare opportunity of safely getting to the bottom of your sexual patterns and beliefs about power with someone who is equipped to discuss it.

I advise you to seek our a female therapist for the mere fact that you will encounter this sort of transference with any male therapist sooner or later and it does not seem like you're aware of the dynamic enough to fully grasp what it means and how cathartic it can be.
 
I am going to be very blunt here and say that I'm baffled at the lack of insight about the therapeutic process in this thread. Every therapist worth their salt understands the value of transference in therapy. It is THE single most fruitful occurrence that can happen to unlock the very reasons the client came to therapy in the first place.

I'm going to be equally blunt. Many therapeutic modalities don't work with transference at all. So, therapeutic process can look very different if you consider the interactions from a person centred, humanistic or TA point of view, much less from the perspective of a more annualised therapeutic modality.

You're looking at this from a psychodynamic perspective which is but one of many ways to see it. Clients who have been sexually abused often come with very skewed thinking about their own and others sexuality and often need very clear statements about sex not being part of a therapeutic relationship and for the T to hold that boundary clearly and explicitly, without ambiguity.

The circular process you describe can be helpful but can equally feel like game playing, teasing or grooming depending on the client, their history and their needs. It can recreate the dynamic present in the original abuse and create confusion about the therapeutic process. It's the therapist role to fit their therapy to the client's needs rather than to exercise their art at the client's expense.

In this situation this client thinks sex with their T could be therapeutic and recognises their issues around sex and power - a good T would respond to this with clarity and compassion. There may be a time for circular conversation but that's effective once the safety of the therapeutic frame is established (e.g. No I wouldn't have sex with you, let's talk about how it feels for you to know that, what you hoped sex with me might give you, how seductive it is to have someone fully focused on your needs etc). Without safety, "what would be in it for you, that would be very selfish of me" is mental masturbation and arguably antitherapeutic.

Clients who've experienced someone crossing their boundaries, where sex becomes commodified or expected in some way, where messages about sex are ambiguous, veiled in game playing and where emotional blackmail and manipulation are the norm need plain, open communication about the place of sex in the therapeutic relationship precisely because of the way they've been socially conditioned to think about their sexuality.

Working with trauma means establishing and reestablishing safety at every point, working with the client at their pace, in service of their needs from their frame of reference. As long as the client thinks sex *might* be a possibility, could be therapeutic, may be required of them in some way, safety isn't present.
 
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