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Shinseki Resigns After Va Scandal

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In as meek a voice I can manage, ya shoulda' been there in the early seventies. This crap has been going on now since at least then. And you're right, chopping off the head won't even slow this critter down. As much as I dislike trumpeting my Senator's words, close all of them down and give every Veteran a card to see who they want to. It pencil's out! It's cheaper to send us to private.

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In as meek a voice I can manage, ya shoulda' been there in the early seventies. This crap has been going on now since at least then. And you're right, chopping off the head won't even slow this critter down. As much as I dislike trumpeting my Senator's words, close all of them down and give every Veteran a card to see who they want to. It pencil's out! It's cheaper to send us to private.

Sarg

Sarg, how many times since the 70's have we heard about the VA giving us a medical card, to go where we want. I have lost count. Seems it was mentioned once again last year....

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8437 times JR.

Only kiddin', but a lot. Truly I don't know what the answer is but no one else does either.

I think just about everything is broken. Just too big to function and no one that can really make a decision. I was going to say that made a difference but I do have to mention a few at the vet cntr that I go to. My psych doc, without her help and perseverance I and many like me wouldn't be here. Most of the nurses and staff and some of the doctors. Guess it's the reason that I go there. Small enough to count and some people that care.

I think of the book, 'Mass media and Mass man' by Alan Casty talks alot about what happens to a society when it grows beyond it's ability to respond to the individual.

I also have to say that through the years I've had many doctors, some good some awful. The awful ones I got away from till I found one I thought was good. You have to try and do the say in the VA system or any healthcare system. It's become a daunting task.
 
OH, and I wanted to add to my diatribe, that we should issue a health card to every Brit that got dragged into our war de' jour.

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This shit has been been done to vets for generations. From the "Bonus Army Action" in 1932, to the dismal funding of the VA, really since its adaption Veterans Affairs: Historical Budget Authority FY1940-2012. Of all people, John Stewart has been trying to bring this crap to light for a couple of years on his Comedy show!

This is not a Democrat/Republican thing (administrations in both parties are at blame), although it is interesting to see that during Reagan's big military build-up and multiple small actions, the VA saw a dip in funding... In 2003 just before the war, Bush said (and I'm paraphrasing because I am too lazy to look up the actual quote) "Unlike Viet Nam, he was going to take care of our veterans." I call Bull Shit. Obama said he was going to correct things. I call Bull Shit.

Firing Shinseki—clearly he wasn't doing his job, but it is a scapegoat measure. "We fired this guy. Nothing to see here. Move along."

Criminal charges need to be brought on all the people who participated in this crap (not just the current rounds, but a full investigation from day one). The bonuses need to be seized (and property, etc and sold at auction) and the veterans who have been on these f*cking lists, need to be moved to the top of the list, post haste, and given whatever treatments they need, within the VA system or outside.

"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it’s evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Paris, January 30, 1787​

Although I think that the VA has gone too far, for too long. A little bit isn't going to do it. The whole thing needs to be scrapped and restarted.
 
I think on Veteran Day vets should be allows to shoot whom ever they please. People think we're all crazy anyway so why not.
 
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