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So, I Have A Date...

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Orglethorp

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I have a date in a few hours. I realize that most of the replies to this thread will come after said date has taken place, but that's okay, because I hope there will be more dates to come. I've been so nervous all morning, and I need some advice.

I'm 25, but I started a new degree, so I'm 6 years older, on average, than most of my classmates. It's no surprise then that my date is with someone who's younger than me. I'm completely okay with this. Age is just a number. Relationships work or don't work because of who people are, not how long they've been alive. If he hasn't figured out that I'm older than he is by now, I'd be very surprised. He knows I didn't enter this program straight out of high school, and he knows who I typically hang out with (there's a group of 7 of us "older ladies"). I'm hoping this means he's okay with it. The thing is, I don't know if he knows how much older I am, and I don't know if that would change things. He did glance at my resume the other day (we went to the university's career fair together), but I'm not sure if he read it and saw that 2006 high school graduation date. People often guess my age 4-6 years too young. If he hasn't asked around, I bet he thinks I'm around 21. When should I tell him?

Next, the PTSD thing. This is obviously not first date conversation material. I'm really not sure when and how I should disclose this, though. I haven't had a date in 3 years, and before that I was in a 3-year relationship with someone who had personal experience with childhood trauma and had been depressed (but never had PTSD). He met me about a year after my diagnosis, so my PTSD symptoms were very obvious. I relapsed with both depression and self harm badly while I was in that relationship, too. It was natural and necessary for him to know, and very little of what I told him ever came as a surprise. He usually had it figured out before I said it.

It's going be completely different with the guy I'm going on a date with today. Based on what I know about him so far, he's been fortunate enough to have a good life so far. I'm also different myself. I will always have PTSD, but I've learned to live with it. If you introduced me to 100 people, I bet at least 98 of them would have to be told that I have PTSD. There are very few conversation topics we could explore that would give anything away.

If this becomes a relationship, though, there will be a point that I'll have to tell him. I don't want to reveal it too soon, because I want him to know me first. I want him to know that I'm always going to be okay, even if I hit a rough patch. I want him to see the strong, confident, happy person that I've become before I tell him about the darker side of my past. The trouble is, I don't know when that should be. I also have no idea how.

My PTSD stems from childhood abuse. I'm an incest survivor, but I was also physically and emotionally abused. I had a wonderful mother and my maternal grandparents stepped in to help raise my sister and I, so my childhood wasn't all bad, but I have very few positive memories of my father. I never know how to handle myself in conversations about childhood memories or family. I never know when or how much I should tell people about my father.

I also have two very specific PTSD-related worries that may come up quickly. The first is the fact that I don't have a driver's license. Anyone who does drive finds that odd and wants to know why. The real answer is that my father did all sorts of terrifying things to me in his car, and I've never been able to be comfortable in cars since. I often start to think I can't breathe when I'm in cars (even though there's nothing physically wrong) because the air feels too thick. Since I still have that strong, consistent symptom in cars, which I link with PTSD, I'm afraid that I'll have a panic attack while driving and put myself and/or others in danger. How exactly do I get around that in conversation?

The second is that one of the few physical anxiety triggers I still have is being touched on the front of my neck (throat area I guess, from chin to collar bone). This is a huge improvement from 4-5 years ago, as I no longer freak out when someone touches my shoulders. It's still an immediate concern though, because I know it's not unusual for guys to touch chins and necks when going in for a kiss. Obviously I can remove a hand and say I don't like that, but I'm worried about being triggered and then needing to explain myself.
 
This is not a flippant response. You could kiss him (only if you wanted too) first, and then his hands won't be near your neck or you could lean in and kiss him on the cheek if you see he's about to kiss you. I haven't dated in 22 years so not sure if that is a little old fashioned.[DOUBLEPOST=1380384158][/DOUBLEPOST]And, kudos - hope you have a great time tonight.
 
My personal approach is to be open, honest and forthright about whatever the conversation leads to. Go into the date with a focus on the positive and your plans for your future - your interests, his interests, etc. And then if the past comes into the conversation, just tell him straight up that your past was not happy, and you might have some difficulty talking about it because it makes you uncomfortable. Same goes for the touching - if he starts to go for your neck, let him know that it makes you uncomfortable.

If he doesn't seek an explanation, great! You can move on from there and not worry about it. If he does seem to want an explanation though, try not to worry and fret about how to explain. Just be frank and clear, and see where it goes from there.

Of course, I don't have a whole ton of dating experience myself, and I have a hard time with the small-talk, back-and-forth banter that really gets a good relationship started. I don't beat around the bush or hide things, and that puts some people off. I don't share more than I'm asked to share, but if the topic comes up I don't hold back unless it truly bothers me to the point I just can't handle talking about it.
 
Orglethorp you are probably out there having the date now and I hope it goes well. Firstly I do not think five years or so is a huge age gap. If this young man is mature, intelligent, personable, honest and all the stuff you like in a man I say go for it. I would not bother telling him your age until it comes up.I n fact, dating an slightly older woman maybe exactly his intentions because girls his age can be a bit catty and maybe he likes woman who have calmed down a bit, your age may be one of the things that appeals to him about you!

I believe you should find out if there is any real substance to the relationship first.. And I think that goes for the rest of your questions. IMHO I would not tell this guy anything about your PTSD or your father, you can honestly say that you were raised by your mum and grandma and had a happy childhood with them. I would leave out what your father did till you know your young man better and are dating and you know you can trust him. This is personal stuff and he might turn out to be a dud!

It is a bit like the drag of a story when you go out with someone and they spend the whole night telling you about their last ex and its just information at that stage that you don't want to know. So, be honest if he asks you a direct question or, if you think he is a dud and you will not be seeing him again then politely tell him 'that is a bit personal for a first date' and move onto something else.

As for the touchy feely stuff, that is a bit hard. If you want to have a kiss without him touching your neck you could possibly take his hands and gently hold them and initiate the kiss. I don't know what you think about a big 'pash" on the first date or even more,, not for me to judge but if you do want to go further than probably you need to tell him that your neck area is too sensitive to be touched and if you go out again depending how you feel, disclose only what you are comfortable with.

Plenty of people have personal trauma which is not PTSD or what some call emotional baggage and do not disclose until they feel safe with the person to do so.

Regarding your driver's licence or lack of it. This is something I think you need to see a counselor about. It has been a long haul for you to get where you are but.... do you not think that there is a little unfinished business. Having your driver's licence would extend your independence a lot. I know your reasons are very valid and strong in regard to reactions in cars and fear having a panic attack would hold up a lot of people. I think you should see your counselor who can probably help move you through this problem. You are a strong and mature woman and those memories that come from your childhood is where you need to leave them. It will not be easy and does not have to happen over-night but who knows when you might need to get a car and drive yourself places. Having a car can be a lot of fun at your age and it really is worth getting the demon out of what is usually a normal thing for someone your age to have. Just take your time with it .

Anyway I hope you have a wonderful time and all your questions will be answered by the time you come home.
 
First, good for you :)
Second, as far as disclosing your ptsd I'd wait to see how things progress. If you eventually become comfortable with him and a real relationship is really starting have a dialogue with him. For the issues with your neck if he does go to touch it etc. just let him know that's not something you're comfortable with. If he's a good guy he'll respect that :) good luck!
 
Congrats on getting out there to date. That is a big step and you deserve some fun and happiness. I hope you have a wonderful time but if it flops know that you can be proud of yourself for just making the first step in meeting new people and being open to having them in your life. I have a few things about your specific concerns.

Five years only seams like a lot because of your both young. As you get older even a decade with be nothing to sneeze at. Then there is this guy is going out on a date because something about you appeals to him. The number is irrelevant. Even I get carded buying wine or going to a bar occasionally.

Disclosing the PTSD thing is quite a ways off. Don't worry about it until it gets close to time to talk about it. You don't know this guy much and what you do learn about him over the next couple of months will greatly help you figure out when, how and even if you want to tell him. Enjoy the newness of getting to know this person and focus on learning about him for now. No need worrying about something that may or may not be at this point. It's also possible that he has his own dark secrets. Once you get to know him a bit it doesn't hurt to practice some possible explanations though, just in case something comes up and you have an opportune moment. That is if you have reached a place where you are comfortable disclosing.

If the car thing comes up I see no problem with doing a half explanation. The truth is that you are so uncomfortable with cars and driving that it borders on a phobia. You will work on it and feel better about it in the future. You are not lying and you are not letting info out that you don't want to until you want to.

You also don't like your neck or chin touched. I don't like my neck or face touched. There is no reason for mine I just don't like it. I don't see why you have to elaborate on it at all. It's just how you are. An easy way to to get around the touching issue is to romantically guide his hand to where you would like to be touched when you feel comfortable with any kind of touching. Until you are there you can simply say that you want to take things slow.

I hope you are having fun!
 
Lol, you two!

The date went really well, I'd say. We went to dinner, then we went up to Signall Hill (highest point in the city. Big tourist trap, but it's such a pretty view of the city and the harbour!) and then when it got too cold we went back to his place for tea and met his dogs. We have a lot in common, which is great. All the music playing in his cars was oldies and classic rock, which is awesome because that's the only music I knew of besides accordion stuff until I was 9, and he was singing along to all of it. Great voice! We've also discovered that our families have a lot of similarities. Both our mothers are elementary school teachers, and both of us have sisters who are becoming teachers.

And of course, I know people are wondering - Yes we kissed, and I kissed him. He also asked my age, and he's fine with it.
 
And of course, I know people are wondering - Yes we kissed, and I kissed him. He also asked my age, and he's fine with it.
Oh my, I'm doing happy dances and have a big smile on my face. You are an inspiration, proving that a 'normal' life is possible.

I wish you many more dates. I've nothing to add to the above except, just 'go with the flow', take each day as it comes and don't over analyse.
 
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