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@Echo you articulated that so well and given your present state I have to say kudos to you for even being able to get that out. It was very coherent - so there must be a part of you in there that is strong and steady. I have no advice except to try and ride it out and allow it to release and it seems to me that you are fighting it - which I get is because you have so much pressure to perform right now. So please forgive if this sounded minimizing your experience. I know how frustrating the somatics are in cases where it takes over and how very frightening. I just want you to know that I am so sorry you are feeling so over whelmed. I send you all the warmth I have to offer.
 
@shimmerz - thank you. I didn't read what you had to say as minimising at all. I'm just grateful you took the time to read it all. I can't read it back, so don't imagine anyone else can!

Your shimmering warmth gratefully received!
 
Ahhh, @Echo, ty so much. It really is difficult to articulate when feeling so lost and you have done a great job with it. I hope that it helped you ground just a bit.

Warmth to you always..... :cool: You need shades it is so shimmery!
 
@Echo...more comforting and grounding hugs are flying your way.

You did not write too much at all. I much prefer people's longer posts as I can understand better what they're thinking and experiencing! I'm no therapist, nor do I have any real right (other than very similar experiences in many ways) to offer you any insights. If you don't want any, just stop reading here.

It sounds to me as if you are experiencing a lot of different things all at once...lots of child energies coming up in different ways--pain, lung stuff, memories, visions, self-harming (not eating right), dissociation...and on and on. No wonder you're struggling...that's a lot for your system to handle.

Sorry if this is simplistic. Given you're state of overwhelm, I thought something concrete might help you think about what to do. Feel free to substitute any details that don't work! Maybe think about all this as like carrying groceries in from a big shopping trip. It's pouring rain and freezing cold outside and you want to get indoors where it's comfortable as soon as possible.

In the first scenario, you leap from the car, gather up all the bags, hanging the handles on your wrists and clutching the rest to your chest as you make a run for the door. You're soaking wet and as you get to the door, you realize you have no hand free to insert the key. You know if you don't hurry, the bags will give way and all your groceries will come crashing out. You'll have to spend time picking them all up, getting wetter and wetter, and likely having to toss many things that were ruined in the process. You'll be angry and sad at yourself, the weather, and the world. You might even decide to just give up and leave the mess outside because it is just too much to deal with it.

In an alternative scenario, you get out of the car and feel the rain and the cold. It's miserable, but you know it's just weather. You pull your coat closely around you, take out your house key, and take the two bags of perishables from the car. You carry them inside your house and put them away. The other bags will be just fine until you're ready to go back out to get them. You put the kettle on for tea and lay out a healthy bit of snack for yourself. Perhaps an apple and some cheese that you can enjoy with your tea and the newspaper or the book you're reading. You decide that you will wait until the rain lets up a bit before you go to retrieve the other bags from the car. There will be plenty of time before you need those things to make dinner. You take off your dripping coat and sit down by the window to wait for the kettle. The wind is howling and the rain torrential, but from this perspective, it's more impressive than frightening.

Okay, okay, I know it's too simplistic. I guess I'm just hearing that you're flooded with so much feeling and memory that you need to get really, really concrete. How many bags can you possibly juggle at one time, especially in stormy weather?!

Would it help to write (not narrative) out (or draw pictures) of the most powerful energies and memories going on? Maybe one on each index card. Then on the back you could write a bit about (or to) each one? I have been trying to do something similar to this, and it has been helping me feel a bit more able to manage all these energies. Just the tactile experience of using a pencil and then having the "energy" as something concrete seems to help make some space between you and it. And you certainly don't need to deal with them all at once! One bag at a time! Of course they all connect...but that can be illuminated later. There is plenty of time.

I have written many times that trauma is simultaneous, not sequential. I think this is why when some therapies get people to develop a trauma "narrative" it usually comes much later in the process. We seem both to be dealing with a great deal of simultaneity which is very overwhelming.

So...here's some empathy and compassion if this helps?

I had felt very powerful energy massing in my core. It was (and still is) so forceful that it actually really hurts and seems to be contributing towards pushing my ribs out of alignment.
I have this same energy--but it has not misaligned my ribs to the extent yours has. I have terrible pain in my left side from it. It is stunning how powerful these energies are. Does yours go in one direction only? Does heat help? Does wrapping very tightly in a blanket help? (I had a wonderful experience with a weighted blanket a few months ago--I wish I owned one, but I'm finding rolling myself tightly in a heavy blanket is good). Also, the weirdest thing: the bodyworker I love but cannot afford to see used to have me lie on my back with my calves resting on a pillow on top of a laundry basket. Then, he had me place a big flat heavy rock somewhere around my belly button (he said you choose where it feels right). If you don't have a rock, a heavy book, a brick, a bag of rice will do. I don't know what it is about this, but it does have some grounding effect. Then, he also had me hold a smaller but heavy-ish rock in my hand while I was lying there (a can of soup will do). You very slowly move your arm around, tuning into your body to see if you can notice differences in how your torso feels. Two things happened when I did this...first, it got me focused on my body and much of the thinking quieted. Second, I did find a balance point, when things seemed to open up a little. It is very hard to explain because it is so experiential. Maybe you could try it.

As a by-product (maybe) of being in this state, I am forgetting to eat and am mushrooming into someone I consider even more ugly than I thought before. (I know now I wasn't ugly at all when I look back to any given age, but I am always ugly to myself in the present moment.) Now though, I feel out of control and I realise this is an expression of my self-hatred and need for punishment.
Just a little a couple times a day suffices. Put out a pile of granola bars or something you like that has some nutrients in it. Your body needs fuel to process all this stuff. And lots of water too! Not eating is abusing yourself...I'm learning that one. The part of you that says you're ugly is just another nasty protector part trying to derail you from your healing. Find one small part of you that you don't think is ugly (fingernail? earlobe? a patch of skin somewhere?) and focus on that. I have some other tricks I've been using too. It helps. I have terrible body image problems...intense and toxic.

I was really struggling to believe I wouldn't get found out by them all as a fraud (on the basis of what I don't know),
I hear you! This is one of my fears. Completely irrational, but obviously rooted in some belief from childhood.

She glanced down at it and then looked at me (whilst my father was fetching coffee) and said, "You used to have such lovely hair." As ever, her comments are so left-field that I don't know how to respond. And that was all that was said on the matter, ever.
UGH UGH UGH!!! Talk about invalidating you! If this is typical of her, it's no wonder at all that you have self-rejection issues.
I have to say I laughed (in a misery loves company kind of way) when I read this. I have When I called to tell my parents I had gotten high marks from my oral examination board for my graduate degree, my mother said, "Well, I hope this means you can finally get your head out of your books and start taking care of yourself so you can find a husband. Nobody loves a bookworm. You always look so pasty and you need to exercise and stop dressing like a slob."

I suddenly could see baby me sitting on my mother's lap as if through the floor. My mother looked like the devil. I was filled with such terror that I could not get down those stairs and could not rescue baby me. I feel such a dreadful failure.
YOU are NOT a failure. You have some really strong "protector" energies that are preventing you from getting to that baby to heal her AND other ones that are beating you up for not doing it. None of these are the real, deep, core you.

It is eerie that I had a very similar experience recently. Almost identical.

I just needed to try to make sense of how it all fits together or to see whether I am dealing with several things at the same time.
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I am trying to starve myself/kill myself by gaining weight, and my normal healing tools are not working too well.
Sweet Echo, this is what happens when we are overwhelmed. Think about putting on an alarm to remind you to eat a small healthy thing even if you're not hungry. Something you really like but that's also nutritious. Those chocolate nutrient shakes are good. I don't know what you like. You need that strength and energy to keep you grounded. The Aryuvedic consultant I went to recommended a diet of warm, heavy, comfort foods to re-ground and get the system some vitality...oatmeal, cream of wheat, hot soups, roasted or steamed vegetables, warm fruit/fruit pies, and lots of tea made with only ground ginger, lime, and honey. I'm about to go back on this regimen as it was quite helpful back in the fall.

(((Echo)))
 
@Hope4Now - thank you for reminding me that I am in overwhelm. I think I've got rather blown out by other people wanting things from me, and probably at a time when I'm not ready. I need to say, "no, go away, I've got enough on my plate". That day some weeks ago, when it seemed a whole array of men wanted something from me I couldn't deal with yet, really did for me. I am so used to dropping everything for everyone else.

I think I am probably doing the same with my inner child energies. I don't know how to control them really; I guess I am just beginning. Who knows why it is all coming up for attention now? Just when I haven't got time. But then I've spent a lifetime not having time, and they are in rebellion when I say, I must do this piece of work or we won't have a home to live in. Being children, they could probably not care less!

I did laugh about your shopping analogy. No need to persuade a Brit of the power of a cup of tea! I had visions of my bags of shopping getting out of the boot of the car on their own and running around squeaking like my cats when they want to be fed. I am evidently a very lax parent! I shall have to have a long, serious talk to all of this stuff going on inside me and lay down the law. I just find that in order to suppress it all now, I tend to go into such a state of dissociation and get so tired, that working doesn't work well in that state either! Aaaaargh!

I do best eating little and often (like a baby, my therapist said!). I am a vegetarian and eat very healthily normally, mostly organic food. My system does get very messed up with stress. I keep trying to go back to my GI regime, since it provides recipes and shopping lists, and I find I can work in short bursts between feeding slots. It does take a lot of organising, so it feels a bit beyond me when I'm so dissociated.

Since I spend all day writing, I don't find writing things down for the sake of it very helpful. Here, it is a different matter, because you all kindly give me fellow feeling and feedback. I am still quite scared of my 'rape diary', because I tend to tune right into stuff I am trying to block out when I'm writing in it.

I do have to build in a better balance in my life. I need to choose adult pleasures (if that doesn't sound dreadful!) instead of chocolate! I have to break the fear of going out on my own and get out into nature, if I can. There is a beautiful stately home near here with wonderful landscape gardens. I'm hoping I won't get scared there like I do otherwise. And I also think I need a quest. A project with a treasure hunt element to it (you'll know what I mean as a fellow researcher). I think, regardless of how badly I am doing at working otherwise, I think I have to build in pockets of loveliness into my life.

My therapist wants me to work on safety and grounding, but as ever, I am racing ahead and wanting to do the WORK and shove this stuff firmly into the past as fast as I can. Who do I think I am, Superwoman?

Thank you so much for your kindness and hugs. Coming straight back at you!
 
@shimmerz - yes, putting down that cape is an art in itself, it seems. Just look at your avatar. A warrior goddess no less. I'll have to forget the cape, but frumpy ordinariness doesn't appeal much...:rolleyes:
 
@Echo lol. I carry my sabre EVERYWHERE! Luckily I rarely need to use it anymore! The dragons in my life are disappearing. I keep frumpiness look for bed time. :eek: People would laugh if they saw my sponge bob pj's. :rolleyes::sneaky:
 
I'm glad, @shimmerz, that you are keeping the dragon population down. Someone's got to do it! And there's me with a fluffy flower. I'll have to have a rethink... (PS I won't let on about those pjs, I promise:angelic:)
 
Yes, many of us are very good at forgetting we exist except to fulfill others' needs. I think the only reason I was actually able to (gradually) build in some time for myself daily and to drop some of my many responsibilities outside of work and family (yes, there were too many and I've nixed all of them) is that my therapist basically told me I would die if I didn't. That got my attention. As dissociated as I am from my body, and overwhelmed by my emotional life, there's a pretty strong part of me that would like to live. Live differently than I am now, but live. I forget and don't take care of myself when I get overwhelmed.

I shall have to have a long, serious talk to all of this stuff going on inside me and lay down the law. I just find that in order to suppress it all now, I tend to go into such a state of dissociation and get so tired, that working doesn't work well in that state either! Aaaaargh!
One bit advice from somebody who is still not good at this at all, but am making baby-step progress. When I try to "control" my energies and/or "lay down the law," (which is what my tendency is to do) it makes it worse, and I get exhausted and dissociated. I have been working for months now to approach these energies in a very gentle and compassionate way, recognizing all that hurt and pain, and promising that if they give me a little space, I will try to heal them one at a time. When I find I am afraid of them or angry at them, I have to recognize that those are just more "parts" coming up that add to the cacophony. My therapist told me to imagine being a preschool teacher with an overcrowded room of extremely needy little people who need firm but gentle and kind management. (Even though I am a teacher, this image made me freak out, but maybe it will work for you).

And I also think I need a quest. A project with a treasure hunt element to it (you'll know what I mean as a fellow researcher).
Yes, yes! What a good idea. Do you have any thoughts on what it might be?
I have just found a quest. I'm a little afraid of it because it involves both creative work and working with a friend who senses but does not know what is going on with me. But I'm excited about it too and am hopeful that it will be something to look forward to doing (I don't have anything I look forward to now...everything seems like an exhausting chore).

Who do I think I am, Superwoman?
You ARE superwoman. You just need to focus your powers on rescuing yourself. You HAVE the spirit energy...but the physical and emotional steps have to be small and gentle. Rest. Eat. Wash. Cuddle with kitties. Drink tea. Stretch. Smell flowers. Listen to healing music. Say no no no to as many obligations outside yourself as you can. Slow down. Do and/or think just one thing at a time.[DOUBLEPOST=1398806670,1398806462][/DOUBLEPOST]@Echo and @shimmerz, you're making me think I ought to rethink my avatar! Though I'm rather attached to its triple entendre of "way out" as an escape, "way out" as a path, and "way out" as in my wacky personality...an Americanist interpretation of a London tube sign.
 
When I try to "control" my energies and/or "lay down the law," (which is what my tendency is to do) it makes it worse, and I get exhausted and dissociated. I have been working for months now to approach these energies in a very gentle and compassionate way, recognizing all that hurt and pain, and promising that if they give me a little space, I will try to heal them one at a time. When I find I am afraid of them or angry at them, I have to recognize that those are just more "parts" coming up that add to the cacophony. My therapist told me to imagine being a preschool teacher with an overcrowded room of extremely needy little people who need firm but gentle and kind management.
You are right. I think I was being a bit flippant. but even with asking their permission and giving explanations and promising to take care of them, I get exhausted. I feel sure it must be because they believe I just never do find time for them. It is part of my frustration that I can't just get on with the therapeutic work after all these months. I am still having to do so much to learn how to be safe (my therapist says it is a totally foreign country to me). Oh well, I'll just have to do my best. I am so tired of everything being out of control.

Do you have any thoughts on what it might be?
I have just found a quest. I'm a little afraid of it because it involves both creative work and working with a friend who senses but does not know what is going on with me.
I do have a few ideas I could go with. I am a little afraid about committing to projects given my ill health, and, as you say, working with others who don't necessarily know or understand what is really going on. One actually could involve a trauma response in an artist's work in the days before any treatment would have been available. We'll see. I might also just design a garden, if I can afford someone else to dig in the beds and leave me to do the lady gardener aspect. But I don't want anything that becomes an extra chore either. No doubt something will call to me if I let it.

Time to focus those Superwoman powers on myself. I've done it before, when I healed myself of CFS, so the prospect is rather disheartening, but it has to be done. I just wish it all took A BIT LESS TIME - grrrr.
 
@Echo I do not have time to reply with much this evening but have read your latest posts and wanted to let you know I am thinking of you. You are doing so well with beig able to articulate and connect with so much, and it is no surprise that you are finding it so hard, but I really do believe that you will come through this. You are so strong and that strength really does shine through and I know that in each and every part of you, you will be able to find the freedom and am praying for peace and security to be found in all of those parts, and that you really can connect so much to the massive worth which you do have, as you do deserve so much to look after yourself and your body, and are going to come through all this.

God bless
Helen
 
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