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Steroids And Ptsd

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There is some evidence coming out now that suggests increased prenatal steroid levels, especially increased testosterone, actually leads to autism. Dead Link Removed

So, you could be not only increasing ptsd symptoms, increasing cognitive dysfunction, but also your possible autism symptoms too.

Not to mention choosing the fast path to destroying your marriage.
 
I took steroids for three days and it caused a blood vessel in my eye to burst and I can no longer see anything in that eye anymore.

This seems strange. What steroids and other meds did you take? What doses?

To the original poster, why don't you just get a blood test, and if your levels are ok, don't worry about it for now? Maybe you can work on mental health for now, and revisit this idea when you have some more mental and physical development.
 
Evaz here (and the post above. I was taking low amounts of an anabolic steroids at a level that was even approved by a doctor. Blood vessels bursting in the eyes is a known side effect of steroid use and abuse. Anavar is especially known for this. Sometimes the blood vessels bursting doesn't permanently damage vision, but many times it does. I regret ever taking it. I miss having full vision.
 
I was only on the steroids and nothing else.

Yes, and steroids are a massive group of meds that range from from relatively safe to insanely harmful. Do you know what steroids and what doses you used? Using any med — steroid or not — without understanding what you're putting into your body is definitely something to be avoided.

After only three days on testosterone enanthate, your blood levels would be indistinguishable from a natural individual's. Most of the testosterone would still be bound to the ester, rendering it unusable to your body. Your eye damage was certainly not from test-E, nor any dose of testosterone that a doctor would approve.

I can't find sources that link Anavar to eye damage. And I don't know who's recommending Anavar anyway. A discussion like this should really be limited to testosterone ONLY. Starting with other steroids, as your story highlights, can be a terrible idea.

If blood pressure is out of control, this could lead to a blood vessel bursting, and all steroids should be avoided if there's a BP problem.

If this is something that YOUR doctor prescribed for YOU and you filled through legal channels, I'm VERY interested in the tiny details, because this is bizarre.

Regardless, I'm sorry about your eye. That's absolutely awful. I'm sure you'd do anything to un-make the decision to take whatever it is you took.
 
I'm Evas -

I am not going to give further details of the medication I was on. I had low blood pressure and normal T levels prior to taking the medication and while on the medication.

Extensive and extremely costly tests were done after the burst only to determine the steriod caused the burst. It is not bizarre, but the retina specialist said he has seen it many times in other patients on steroids. Call any pharmacist and I'm sure they can indulge you further on the even more well known risks of glaucoma and serious cardiac issues and the like for the steriod in question.

No steriod is 100% safe and it's misleading to even suggest there are any safe steroids. All steroids, even for medical purposes, have side effects and risks. Which is why they should only be taken carefully and under a doctor's care for an underlying disease that poses risks worse than the risks of the steriod use.

The OP does not mention any underlying disease or engagement of medical care or even use of a proper diet to achieve his goals. Good nutrition has zero life threatening side effects. The OP only mentions self diagnosis and self medication. The dangerous shortcut.
 
I am not going to give further details of the medication I was on

I'm disappointed to hear that, because it's hard to talk about a drug issue if we don't even known what drug it is. It's going to be hard to talk to a pharmacist about the risks of an unknown drug. Regardless, it was not testosterone, and that puts the issue to rest, at least in my eyes.

To conflate testosterone with whatever med(s) you took is akin to comparing ADHD meds to methamphetamine, or pain meds to heroin. They may be in the same family, but they're not at all the same.

It WOULD be bizarre if this had happened from a doctor-recommended therapy, but it doesn't sound like that was the case.

I had low blood pressure and normal T levels prior to taking the medication and while on the medication.

You must have discontinued the drug after the blood vessel burst 3 days into your protocol, so I don't see how you had time to get a blood test while on the medication. You don't want to share further details. Your say your T levels skyrocketed, but then were normal when you started the drug, your assertion that it was "approved by a doctor" (not necessarily your doctor) despite normal T levels, your assertion that Anavar is known for eye problems (it's not) — all of this sounds perhaps well-intentioned, but we're not getting the whole story.

Furthermore, glaucoma can be triggered by corticosteroids, but not anabolic steroids. However, I can imagine a pharmacist or doctor mixing them up so I don't dispute that you were told this. [search google for: Steroid_induced_Glaucoma]

I've been Googling for links between anabolic steroids and eye damage, and aside from stupid-high doses of the PCT drug Clomid, the only thing I can find, even on sites with a heavy negative bias, is linked to blood pressure. If there's some other link you're aware of I very much would like to learn about it, and your reluctance to share the name of the drug in a completely anonymous forum makes me wonder if the drug really exists.

You're right, no drug is without risks. However, "recreational" steroid use can be quite safe if following a sane protocol. However, steroid protocol is infinitely more complicated than any other "recreational" drug, and it must not be approached cavalierly.

The Lancet's report on drug harms ranks substances by harm to users and harm to others. Mushrooms are rated a 6 (the least harmful drug on their list), anabolic steroids a 10, cannabis a 20, and heroin a 55. Popular culture would lead one to believe that steroids are certainly more harmful than cannabis, but the evidence did not bear this out. I do feel that a score of only 10 understates steroids' risks and caveats, because if used incorrectly, they're absolutely MUCH less safe than cannabis.

[search google images for: drug harm chart]

For many reasons, I think that OP perhaps should not use steroids at this time, or perhaps ever, but painting steroids in an unrealistically negative light isn't going to help him make that decision. If the only thing OP takes from this discussion is to use test instead of Anavar, that still may not be optimal, but it's certainly FAR better than what he was planning.

OP, please get a blood test or two. If your test & E levels are fine and stable, hopefully that will put your mind at ease. They're not contributing to mental symptoms, and you might want to focus on something else instead. If they're low or unstable, a urologist or another doctor can help you navigate the minefield safer than you may be able to on your own. If you want to talk more about it, please do! Though I question the specific examples of harm here, please be aware that a reckless decision could indeed lead to serious harm.
 
Evaz - I did not state the drug was the same as testosterone. It was an anabolic steriod. If anyone has a steriod they are considering taking or wondering about steriod risks in general, then you can indeed call a pharmacist and ask them about various drugs and what the risks and possible side effects are.

The glaucoma and cardiac and vessel integrity issues are well known and I'd suggest talking to a licensed healthcare provider. I prefer to keep any further details private as to not give away identity. You can accept my boundary and seek credible medical input (more than google) or not. I did easily find many medical journal articles on google that discuss this risk but I have univeirty database access.

You are also welcome to provide the details of the pharmacist you claim or unwilling to state the risks and side effects of steroids for further credible investigation if that's where you want to go.
 
(Last post was by me, Evaz, and I won't be commenting further on this thread. It stirs up too much grief from what I lost due to steriod use.)
 
Thank you for your input, and I'm sorry for the grief this stirs up. I respect that you won't be continuing discussion, and I wish you the best.

I remain genuinely interested in some of the risks mentioned, so if anyone else has info supporting these claims, I'd like to hear about it. I do not know of any drug with the effects Evaz mentioned, let alone a prescription drug that a doctor might recommend. I can accept he suffered eye damage from steroid use, but I maintain that there must have been a terrible problem with the protocol to allow it to happen.

For those getting info from medical professionals, please be aware that the medical community shows both negative and positive biases toward steroids. Tons of research have been completed in the past decades, and someone like a primary care doctor may not have had any reason to learn about developments in the field if none of their patients are on TRT.

I visited an older primary doctor while on cycle, disclosed the cycle, and he had quite a reaction. He decided not to prescribe a medication that he would have otherwise. He gave misleading information about my bloodwork: that my hematocrit, which was within the reference range, was "dangerously high" and this was caused by testosterone. He told me to stop immediately without any kind of PCT, which is incredibly dangerous and would put a patient at risk for suicide. So some doctors, while well-intentioned, may only have a vague familiarity with steroids, and their perspective may be one of fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

A TRT clinic is likely to paint a rosy picture and downplay the risks. They are profitable businesses that often have dedicated salespeople, which is not necessarily in the patient's interest. My reconstructive urologist has been, in my eyes, a relative neutral source. He performed many tests and tried alternative therapy (Clomid) before prescribing TRT. Steroid users often report that urologists are more likely than other specialists to have up-to-date info, along with safer protocols.

Because we're getting into my story now, I had my first blood test with quite low T when I was 22. Nobody wants to prescribe testosterone to someone that young, so I lived with it and tried "conservative protocols" of vitamins and DHEA cream. They had no significant impact on my bloodwork. TRT clinics were out of reach financially, but I was very interested in it so I read about it all the time. After a few years, I began the cycle listed in my earlier comment. By the end of my cycle, I was doing much better emotionally and I was out of an abusive environment. (I don't claim that the cycle enabled this, as I was in aggressive, effective therapy for my newly diagnosed PTSD. But the steroid cycle certainly didn't cause any setbacks. Also, my therapists were aware of my cycle.) I completed PCT, which was surprisingly uneventful. The only side effect of note was mild acne that dissipated once I completed my first on-cycle bloodwork, found that estrogen was high, and adjusted my AI to compensate. After the cycle, my symptoms including poor sexual function and energy returned, and this is expected. I didn't start another cycle because A) I was able to live despite the symptoms, and B) I hoped to get on legitimate TRT. A year and a half after PCT, I saw this reconstructive urologist for an unrelated problem, and in the end he got me on a conservative protocol (75mg E3.5D) that has been effective in largely eliminating problems I've been dealing with since I was an adolescent, just as my cycle was.

Some doctors still prescribe "medieval" protocols of dosing every two weeks or even less frequently. This protocol, which was common decades ago, led to many false conclusions about "'roid rage." Dosing this infrequently puts your blood levels on a rollercoaster that WILL lead to emotional disturbance. If anyone encounters a doctor who refuses to dose at least once a week, avoid them. This is harmful, and you will likely wind up feeling worse than you do already.

Best wishes to everyone who has been involved in this thread. I'm happy to further to the discussion if anyone wants. :p
 
All I see here is self harm & stupidity. No different from an anorexic snorting meth to lose weight. AKA bad idea.

I'll be the first to admit I have no experience with anabolic steroids, but I don't understand why you would want to artificially "get healthy"? Isn't health your priority, or do you just want the APPEARANCE of health? ANYTHING like STEROIDS, which is a "necessary poison" that has it's place in treating medical issues, is STILL a poison. It messes with your adrenal glands, for starters, and if you did start to have personality changes, you would be the last to admit it, cuz it feels kinda good to be, or feel powerful.

The possible side effects are NOT worth it. Especially having PTSD. Why even consider rocking your mental "boat"?

Choose HEALTH, in the RIGHT way! Working diligently will give you pride and you will be taking ZERO risks with your body and mind.
 
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